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Darrman, a British so called sea environmentalist has been doing fishy jobs in the USA. We need to look further into this!

VOTE DARRMAN
 
I feel that we should start to analyze players who aren't really participating too much in this game. I'll give a list of who I think hasn't done much this entire game

Johho - There's not really much to say on Johho since he's basically made two joke votes and made quick analysis day 3. While I feel like his analysis is sorta choppy, he has been busy and I feel like he would be a decent contributor to the village if he was active.

Wagonlitz - I don't like how he's playing, he's mainly just laying back, pops in to vote while providing zero analysis, and then leave, only to reappear to make another such vote. Although he voted me the first day, that's understandable since no body has an idea wtf is going on during day 1 voting. However, he pops in to vote Arkasas with the sole purpose of making a tie. That vote was directed towards a wolf however, and if he was a wolf I don't think he would vote for a fellow wolf when other candidates are on the board. So far, he's not worth voting for imo.

Hax - While I admire his dedication to his roleplay, he hasn't done really anything for the village besides showing up on day 3 to provide some quick analysis. He voted Brovakhiin on day one, which ended up being a throwaway vote, common for day 1, and didn't vote day 2. I think he has some worth in sticking around for now.

Dedonus - I feel he hasn't been too active, but with him providing the vote counts after each night (helps a ton with this lol) and he started the vote on Arkasas, meaning that I trust him for now. Also with Arkasas voting him on day one, which I assume a wolf wouldn't vote for another wolf in day one, I feel he's a goodie.

Darrman - I provided my case on him earlier, he hasn't been active and his votes seem to have no reason. I know he's getting the newbie blessing but with him bandwagoning and sniping a tie day one that led to having a villager death, and day 2 vote being aimed toward a villager, I think he's acting very suspicious. I'll stick with him as my prime suspect

Capibara - the Meh bear made his case on Capibara, I agree with it. I feel like he's sleepwalking through the game, and he's done nothing but go with the crowd. However, he voted the werewolf bot (dumb idea tbh) and Darrman, one of which in my opinion is likely a wolf, and a bot which made sence even though he's a proven villager. I don't think he's a wolf judging by his votes. If he keeps his lazy streak up though he's definetly worth the lynch though.

These are all the inactive players in my opinion.

Vote Darrman
 
Also unofficial vote count without post numbers

Darrman - 2 (Nepechri, Hax)

Capibara - 1 (Beartjah)

Claude LC - 1 (Johho888)

Wagonlitz - 1 (Werewolf bot turned Aedan777)

Not Voted - 9 (Darrman, Wagonlitz, Capibara, Claude LC, Brovahkiin, Dedonus, Chieron, De Chat, Alynkio)
 
I'm back. Unfortunately Werewolf bot was a mere normal villager, so no useful powers.

Voting wise, we got a wolf yesterday so there's useful stuff to look at. Arkasas voted Darman on flimsy "follow the crowd" reasoning, so Darman is an unlikely packmate. Beartjah then called him out for that, and was then followed by Avernite, Alynkio, and Wagonlitz. Chieron then voted Avernite ahead of the tie he was in with Arkasas, questioning how quickly Arkasas got votes. Brovahkiin then restored the tie, which held to deadline. Brovahkiin easily could have pretended not to be on and let Avernite get lynched alone, so he's either not a packmate of Arkasas or gotten far more ruthless.

The actual voters on Arkasas are less cleared in my mind. They did contribute to his death, but they could have thought he wouldn't get lynched, or thought that his vote on Darman was too likely to get him lynched and so it would be best to get him lynched. Potential evidence for this theory is that Arkasas didn't set his brutal on someone who had actually voted him, but instead my previous version. Chieron's an obvious candidate for actually trying to save Arkasas, potentially too obvious. Actually relooking at the thread I thought the votes on Capibara and Claude were for Chieron (all the C's) and that Beartjah and Johho said basically the exact same thing. Maybe a better candidate than I thought if he's not being gunned for as the obvious scapegoat.

Otherwise though I think Wagon looks most suspicious from the Arkasas run-up. He was a relatively late joiner, and just cites "tie" as his reason to do so. Could be a late effort by a packmate to get some credit, or to delegitimize the run-up by making it seem more whimsical and bandwagony.

Dedonus also voted Arkasas, but before he made his suspicious vote on Darman, so potential alibi vote on a canddiate without much of a case against them.

Now Bigs usually have two packs, but in one of this size (only 20 players, one of them a starting zombie), it would not be unusual to only have a single pack, like an expanded lite. So Arkasas' pack could be the only pack.

Vote Wagonlitz
Did you miss how I put Arky into a TIE? I could easily have voted Darman in which case Arky potentially could have fallen out of the race.

Goodie point but I must say this vote gives me some baddie vibes. Wagon is not the type of player who throws in TIEs that easily.
In bigs I do and always have done on early days.
Not to mention that deadline is quite early and I only got home shortly before it.
 
Interesting how De Chat, Darrman and Chieron have on both days voted for the same guys. Coordinating ehh?
Ah, that is awkward, yet entirely by chance. At least from my side.

Not much time now and unsure, whether I'll be around back before deadline.
So, I'll follow Hax News advise and
vote Darrman
 
Darman seems to be getting votes again today, this time for voting Avernite yesterday. In his defence the count at the time he voted was 4 avernite - 4 darman - 3 arky so it could be construed as self defence(Of course he should've made a proper argument for his vote rather than throw his vote on avernite without any argument why avernite is a better candidate than himself). I know I'm now defending him for the second day in a row(I'm so dead if he turns out to be a wolf after all... :D) but it just feels a bit... weird how he's being hounded this much for doing a sensible thing(stopping a day 1 tie) and seemingly for trying not to get killed.

Wagon is not the type of player who throws in TIEs that easily.
In bigs I do and always have done on early days.
Not to mention that deadline is quite early and I only got home shortly before it.
Somehow this exact conversation seems to keep popping up every couple of games.

I feel that we should start to analyze players who aren't really participating too much in this game. I'll give a list of who I think hasn't done much this entire game

Johho - There's not really much to say on Johho since he's basically made two joke votes and made quick analysis day 3. While I feel like his analysis is sorta choppy, he has been busy and I feel like he would be a decent contributor to the village if he was active.

Wagonlitz - I don't like how he's playing, he's mainly just laying back, pops in to vote while providing zero analysis, and then leave, only to reappear to make another such vote. Although he voted me the first day, that's understandable since no body has an idea wtf is going on during day 1 voting. However, he pops in to vote Arkasas with the sole purpose of making a tie. That vote was directed towards a wolf however, and if he was a wolf I don't think he would vote for a fellow wolf when other candidates are on the board. So far, he's not worth voting for imo.

Hax - While I admire his dedication to his roleplay, he hasn't done really anything for the village besides showing up on day 3 to provide some quick analysis. He voted Brovakhiin on day one, which ended up being a throwaway vote, common for day 1, and didn't vote day 2. I think he has some worth in sticking around for now.

Dedonus - I feel he hasn't been too active, but with him providing the vote counts after each night (helps a ton with this lol) and he started the vote on Arkasas, meaning that I trust him for now. Also with Arkasas voting him on day one, which I assume a wolf wouldn't vote for another wolf in day one, I feel he's a goodie.

Darrman - I provided my case on him earlier, he hasn't been active and his votes seem to have no reason. I know he's getting the newbie blessing but with him bandwagoning and sniping a tie day one that led to having a villager death, and day 2 vote being aimed toward a villager, I think he's acting very suspicious. I'll stick with him as my prime suspect

Capibara - the Meh bear made his case on Capibara, I agree with it. I feel like he's sleepwalking through the game, and he's done nothing but go with the crowd. However, he voted the werewolf bot (dumb idea tbh) and Darrman, one of which in my opinion is likely a wolf, and a bot which made sence even though he's a proven villager. I don't think he's a wolf judging by his votes. If he keeps his lazy streak up though he's definetly worth the lynch though.

These are all the inactive players in my opinion.

Vote Darrman
On hax: You first make an argument agains him for not doing much in the way of anything and then draw the conclusion that it's worth to let him stick around for a bit. I don't quite see how that conclusion follows from the argument?

On capi: you're saying that it was a dumb idea to vote the bot and that it made sense to vote the bot within the same sentence. Which is it? Also: how do you know that the bot is a proven villager? And how does it make sense to vote a "proven villager"?
 
Interesting how De Chat, Darrman and Chieron have on both days voted for the same guys. Coordinating ehh?

Not from my part at least, I can't say about Darrman and Chieron. But Darrman seems like a decent candidate, I give you that.

Vote Darrman
 
Quick thoughts
Not loving the way that darrman's getting run up again so quickly.

The fact that de chat darrman and chieron all were voting together is very suspicious, noce catch hax. I'm somewhat suprised to see de chat and chieron voting together again now. If they were a pack I'd have thought they'd try harder to change the pattern.
I'll follow beartjah onto capibara
lets see if we can't try and get some more discussion going instead of sleepwalking into lynching darrman
vote capibara
 
Unofficial Vote Count​

Darrman: 3
Hax [181]
nepechri [182]
De Chat [187]

Capibara: 2
Beartjah [166]
brovahkiin [188]

Claude LC: 1
Johho [177]

Wagonlitz: 1
Aedan 2.0 [178]

No Vote:
@alynkio
@Chieron
Dedonus (I know!)
@Capibara
@Darrman
@Claude LC
 
Mmmmmm
I know darman it's a suspect today but we should have in account that yesterday arky pushed toward darman. Then in the following votes arky gained traction and ended up being run.

My point is there was already a candidate ahead. Why risk getting a mate in a tie, in that case bring another one forward

I think that darman being into contention so easily could be an easy escape.
We should rather look into other candidates

Maybe chireon?
He voted avernite trying to save arky from a fast run up.
I would like to say an innocent move and a noble one but nonetheless saving a wolf.

VOYE CHIREON

While I think and read a little more.
 
Darrman - I provided my case on him earlier, he hasn't been active and his votes seem to have no reason. I know he's getting the newbie blessing but with him bandwagoning and sniping a tie day one that led to having a villager death, and day 2 vote being aimed toward a villager, I think he's acting very suspicious. I'll stick with him as my prime suspect
My vote on Avernite was simply for self-preservation purposes. I'll withhold my vote for now while I read over things.
 
I'm here, trying to come up with a meaningful contribution.
 
Somehow this exact conversation seems to keep popping up every couple of games.
It's because I'm extremely anti TIE before TIE day in lites. But that's because you can calculate statistics on it.
People miss that, though, and hence thing I'm very anti TIE in bigs too, despite how I'm quite TIE happy in them.
 
The players who had voted for Arkasas yesterday are pretty safe in my book. Because Darran and Avernite were the top candidates before Arkasas was pushed up, it does not make sense for a packmate to place an alibi vote on Arkasas because they would have been placing Arkasas in danger. Although Arkasas could have technically sniped to save himself, I feel that since the snipe did not happen (either it was not planned or Arkasas just couldn't be online at the time) the chances that the Arkasas voters being his packmates would be less likely because why would they try to push Arkasas into a tie so that Arkasas could snipe to save himself.

brovahkiin also seems unlikely to be a packmate of Arkasas. Avernite was in the lead and Arkasas was not. Why risk getting Arkasas lynched (as it happened)?

I am also unsure of the case on Darrman. At the time of Arkasas' vote, the vote count was as follows:

Avernite: 4
Darrman: 2
Arkasas: 1

Arkasas pushed Darrman closer to a tie. Although it is possible that this was an alibi vote, it would have been a risky one.

Chieron's vote that lead to the (temporary) breaking of the tie between Avernite and Arkasas does make him look suspicious, as he was the only one to move his vote (besides brovahkiin) after Wagonlitz pushed Arkasas into a tie with Avernite. While this does not necessarily mean he is a wolf (as the wolves might have thought that Arkasas could have saved himself), it is something that should be looked at.

VOTE Chieron
 
Unofficial Vote Count
1 hour 25 until deadline​

Darrman: 4
Hax [181]
nepechri [182]
Chieron [185]
De Chat [187]

Capibara: 2
Beartjah [166]
brovahkiin [188]

Chieron: 2
Claude LC [190]
Dedonus [194]

Claude LC: 1
Johho [177]

Wagonlitz: 1
Aedan 2.0 [178]

No Vote: 4
@alynkio
@Capibara
@Darrman
 
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@Dedonus 's Votecount I've already voted Darrman.
And I can't help that deChat instantly followed suit.

And yesterday I simply just arrived around 19:05, when the situation was already at 5-5-4. I don't really like ties, so I there were only two non-throwaway votes available, of which I took the running wagon one. Bad luck had it that Arkasas would've been the right choice anyway.
 
@Dedonus 's Votecount I've already voted Darrman.
And I can't help that deChat instantly followed suit.

And yesterday I simply just arrived around 19:05, when the situation was already at 5-5-4. I don't really like ties, so I there were only two non-throwaway votes available, of which I took the running wagon one. Bad luck had it that Arkasas would've been the right choice anyway.
Oops. Must have missed it because it was the same size as your normal text.
 
Not from my part at least, I can't say about Darrman and Chieron. But Darrman seems like a decent candidate, I give you that.

Vote Darrman
This really feels like a bandwagonining vote. It put Darman three up without much reasoning behind it.

Vote Chat
 
Unvote Darrman, Vote Capibara

I've realized that the Darrman case I've presented isn't all too strong, as any new player could make those mistakes and the vote analysis was choppy. Meanwhile, I believe Capibara has just been lazily voting through this game, and I'll be tagging along with Beartjah's case since I feel its pretty strong.