Werewolf CCXXXVIII - A New Year's Celebration

[Dedonus]

day 1

Spoiler

Official Votecount, (deadline):

jeray2000 - 6: Panzer Commader [85], Chieron [86], Avernite [WW-Bot 81 ->105], Werewolf-Bot-9000 [107], Darrman [WW-Bot 96 ->113] , De Chat [Claude LC 98 -> 114]

De Chat - 4: Jacksonian Missionary [93], Claude LC [100], alynkio [101], jeray2000 [WW-Bot 84 -> 102]

Werewolf-Bot-9000 - 3: Nepechri [88], Capibara [99],Dedonus [johho888 80 -> 106]

Brovahkiin - 1: Hax [78]

Panzer Commader - 1: Beartjah [79]

Arkasas - 1: aedan777 [82]

Jacksonian Missionary - 1: Johho888 [83]

Avernite - 1: Brovahkiin [87]

Dedonus - 1: Arkasas [94]

Nepechri - 1: Wagonlitz [95]

Not-Voted - 0:

day 2

Spoiler

Avernite - 5: aedan777 [129], De Chat [135], Werewolf-Bot-9000 [138], Darrman [147], Chieron [153]

Arkasas - 5: Dedonus [128], Beartjah [Capibara 125 ->143], Avernite [Hax 121 -> 144], alynkio [150], Wagonlitz [151]

Darrman - 4: Nepechri [130], Capibara [136], Arkasas [140], Claude LC [141]

Hax - 1: johho888 [126]

Claude LC - 1: brovahkiin [Avernite 137 -> 154]

Not-Voted - 2: Hax, Jacksonian Missionary

 

[brovahkiin]

My unsuccessful arbitrary vote switch that accidently made a TIE got a wolf?
I mean
I got a wolf!
just as planned

 

[nepechri]

We take those

 

[Deleted user]

Avernite the Alderman Villager was lynched.
Arkasas the Brutal Wolf of the Feral Pack was lynched.
Aedan777 the Plotter Villager was brutalized by Arkasas.

The massacre of the A's has begun I see.

 

[alxeu]

The massacre of the A's has begun I see.

Alyn was the only survivor.

 

[beartjah]

Dedo voted and got voted by arky - could still see this being an attempted throwaway alibi exchange that went poorly but that doesn't seem too strong of a case.

Chieron voted avernite during a aver-arky tie, though it would feel almost too blatant a save and could've also been simply preventing a tie. I'd still say its a higher than average chance of being a packmate and wouldn't be very opposed to lynching him. @Chieron Any reason you went for avernite there?

Brovah remade a tie that resulted in arky dying which makes him a fairly unlikely reddie. I could still see him being a member of a different pack(if any exist) trying to bag an extra kill and hitting a red by accident - but that's a line of thought that's a bit too far out there for now.

Hate to be tunneling but I feel that capi should still receive attention. He dumped hsi day one vote in the bot and on day 2 he didn't really do anything of note either, just saying he liked both Darrman and Avernite as candidate. This feel almost as lazy in the same way as what arky was doing yesterday.

VOTE CAPIBARA

 

[Deleted user]

Alyn was the only survivor.

*Looks at alxeu's name, looks at what letter it starts with*

I see you trying to hide, Mr. GM.

 

[alxeu]

*Looks at alxeu's name, looks at what letter it starts with*

I see you trying to hide, Mr. GM.

I can't be lynched by the village, though I suppose my zombie/bot could.

 

[jeray2000]

Jeray2000: Exists
Paradox Werewolf: lynches him immediately.

It has been happening a lot lately. I miss the old days when Wagonlitz was lynched first every game.

 

[Chieron]

I did not want a threeway so close to the end, with darrman being rather unsuspicious in might eyes.
Arky was run up quite fast, which I found suspicious - which spoke against Avernite.
Any other vote would've been basically a throwaway.
So I voted Avernite. Arkasas would've been fine, too (from a pre-reveal standpoint, in hindsight, he would've been the superior choice). I just didn't like the wagon.


I'm not really a fan of the WW Bot actually voting (the empty spot being a designated night-0 hunt would've been better). And it would be awkward to sub someone into it. Alxeu cannot really play in a game where he has full knowledge (how does a goodie bot decide, where to vote, if not quite randomly, given the knowledge it has? which makes it a liability). If the Bot is a baddie, will it be controlled by the other players in its pack?

 

[brovahkiin]

I did not want a threeway so close to the end, with darrman being rather unsuspicious in might eyes.
Arky was run up quite fast, which I found suspicious - which spoke against Avernite.
Any other vote would've been basically a throwaway.
So I voted Avernite. Arkasas would've been fine, too (from a pre-reveal standpoint, in hindsight, he would've been the superior choice). I just didn't like the wagon.


I'm not really a fan of the WW Bot actually voting (the empty spot being a designated night-0 hunt would've been better). And it would be awkward to sub someone into it. Alxeu cannot really play in a game where he has full knowledge (how does a goodie bot decide, where to vote, if not quite randomly, given the knowledge it has? which makes it a liability). If the Bot is a baddie, will it be controlled by the other players in its pack?

generally the way bots vote is that it has an automatic voting pattern
"make TIES"
"vote the runner up 2 hours before deadline"
that sort of thing

 

[Chieron]

generally the way bots vote is that it has an automatic voting pattern
"make TIES"
"vote the runner up 2 hours before deadline"
that sort of thing

So, if it is a baddie, it cannot be analyzed?
And it basically cannot be an important goodie (seer/priest), as that would be open to manipulation (I'm imagining PMing the bot).
I really do not like that. Might've been better to lynch it on the first day. It's just too weird and will slip through the gaps in analysis.

 

[Deleted user]

I can't be lynched by the village, though I suppose my zombie/bot could.

Not with that attitude

 

[Avernite]

Darn, I thought I'd skate without the Alderman.

Oh well. I got the wolf to go with me!

Also, sub?

 

[johho888]

Darn, I thought I'd skate without the Alderman.

Oh well. I got the wolf to go with me!

Also, sub?

Would be great if someone subbed in for the Bot now.

Surprised you hadn't a standing order to activate Alderman if needed.

Also, I've been terribly busy close to the deadline these last two day and unfortunately tomorrow will be the same. Let's see if at least I could make something more than a joke vote today...

 

[alxeu]

Aedan2.0 is subbing in for Werewolf-Bot-9000.

(Sorry, Avernite, just a bit too slow. )

 

[johho888]

Looking at the votes the only one that could be seen as protecting Arkasas is Chieron but it's a little too obvious so I'm not sold on it. Darrman could potentially also be seen as one but he was probably mostly protecting himself from lynch and he was voted by Arkasas so maybe not a packmate. The only one else that moved after Arkasas became a contender was brovakiin but his vote sort of killed Arkasas so I can't really blame him for that vote shift. Meh.

vote Claude LC

at least he didn't kill a wolf.

 

[aedan777]

I'm back. Unfortunately Werewolf bot was a mere normal villager, so no useful powers.

Voting wise, we got a wolf yesterday so there's useful stuff to look at. Arkasas voted Darman on flimsy "follow the crowd" reasoning, so Darman is an unlikely packmate. Beartjah then called him out for that, and was then followed by Avernite, Alynkio, and Wagonlitz. Chieron then voted Avernite ahead of the tie he was in with Arkasas, questioning how quickly Arkasas got votes. Brovahkiin then restored the tie, which held to deadline. Brovahkiin easily could have pretended not to be on and let Avernite get lynched alone, so he's either not a packmate of Arkasas or gotten far more ruthless.

The actual voters on Arkasas are less cleared in my mind. They did contribute to his death, but they could have thought he wouldn't get lynched, or thought that his vote on Darman was too likely to get him lynched and so it would be best to get him lynched. Potential evidence for this theory is that Arkasas didn't set his brutal on someone who had actually voted him, but instead my previous version. Chieron's an obvious candidate for actually trying to save Arkasas, potentially too obvious. Actually relooking at the thread I thought the votes on Capibara and Claude were for Chieron (all the C's) and that Beartjah and Johho said basically the exact same thing. Maybe a better candidate than I thought if he's not being gunned for as the obvious scapegoat.

Otherwise though I think Wagon looks most suspicious from the Arkasas run-up. He was a relatively late joiner, and just cites "tie" as his reason to do so. Could be a late effort by a packmate to get some credit, or to delegitimize the run-up by making it seem more whimsical and bandwagony.

Dedonus also voted Arkasas, but before he made his suspicious vote on Darman, so potential alibi vote on a canddiate without much of a case against them.

Now Bigs usually have two packs, but in one of this size (only 20 players, one of them a starting zombie), it would not be unusual to only have a single pack, like an expanded lite. So Arkasas' pack could be the only pack.

Vote Wagonlitz

 

[Hax]

WHAT A DEBACLE YESTERDAY! Now to some better news, the CIA together with our European allies revealed today that members of the Democratic party of Arkansas were funded by the Russian FSB. But wait there is more, through leaked emails it was found out that the main spokesperson for the Democrats in Arkansas, Mr. Arky Bark, had throughout 2019 received bribes from a Chinese telecommunication company. Mr. Bark was found in his house intoxicated and got very aggressive when police arrived on the spot. He is now under arrest and trial is waiting.

 

[Hax]

Fox News, the best organized TV in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Today we are bringing you a celebration after catching the evil, corrupt and partycrashing Mr. Arky Bark, main spokesperson for the Democrats in Arkansas, receiving bribes from a Chinese company that has destroyed many American jobs. A BIG thank you to the great hardworking guys in CIA!

I'm finding the Darman case to be a bit meh. He reads more as a new player panicking in the face of a three way tie tbh. Of course it does raise the question of why kill jeray in particular but that same question would've come up no matter who got killed there. I'd prefer waiting till we know more about de chat and/or our bot before coming back to him.

Avernite has a somewhat sensible case against him, though he is right to point out that a tie with a bot involved might not've given that much information. Not very enthusiastic bit I'd prefer him over Darman if it comes to that.


But this just feels as not caring what happens. Coupled with a throwaway yesterday he doesn't give me the impression he's really actively looking to get good candidates up for the lynch.

UNVOTE CAPIBARA
VOTE ARKASAS

Goodie point to meh-bear.

I think beartjah has a point there, actually. We're on day 2, there's no 'crowd', 4 votes is a leading candidate. So Arkasas definitely could still have done something.

UNvote Hax, Vote Arkasas

Goodie point to Avernite.

A three-way tie seemed a bit dangerous.

I suppose I'll just Vote: Avernite for now, but I'm not really that confident in the vote.

Why is a three-way tie bad? Also baddie point to Darrman for putting Avernite in the lead.

A Prius?

Ayy prius?! ya god damn terrawist. Even ayy nazey mercedes is bettuurr!

Yeah, I'm okay killing Arky for this too. Following the crowd against a new player for poorly-defined reasons is baddie behavior and a good-enough day 2 case for me.


VOTE Arkasas

Goodie point though the "I'm okay killing Arky for this too" sounds a bit strange.

Vote Arky Bark
TIE!

Goodie point but I must say this vote gives me some baddie vibes. Wagon is not the type of player who throws in TIEs that easily.

Oof.

Vote Avernite.

Darman seems more noobish yesterday and I'm not going to make a threeway tie 15 minutes before deadline.
Arkasas is also suspicous but ran up somewhat fast.

Baddie point.

This has been too quite
Time to cause some chaos
Vote switch time
Unvote avernite
Vote claude

Returns the TIE. Goodie point to brova.

That leaves Hax, who I would've expected to be more active.

Very very busy at the moment. I wouldn't even had joined this game if it hadn't been for all the invites.

Not-Voted - 2: Hax, Jacksonian Missionary

Sorry alxeu for the missed vote!

day 1
Official Votecount, (deadline):

jeray2000 - 6: Panzer Commader [85], Chieron [86], Avernite [WW-Bot 81 ->105], Werewolf-Bot-9000 [107], Darrman [WW-Bot 96 ->113] , De Chat [Claude LC 98 -> 114]

De Chat - 4: Jacksonian Missionary [93], Claude LC [100], alynkio [101], jeray2000 [WW-Bot 84 -> 102]

Werewolf-Bot-9000 - 3: Nepechri [88], Capibara [99],Dedonus [johho888 80 -> 106]

Brovahkiin - 1: Hax [78]

Panzer Commader - 1: Beartjah [79]

Arkasas - 1: aedan777 [82]

Jacksonian Missionary - 1: Johho888 [83]

Avernite - 1: Brovahkiin [87]

Dedonus - 1: Arkasas [94]

Nepechri - 1: Wagonlitz [95]

Not-Voted - 0:

day 2
Avernite - 5: aedan777 [129], De Chat [135], Werewolf-Bot-9000 [138], Darrman [147], Chieron [153]

Arkasas - 5: Dedonus [128], Beartjah [Capibara 125 ->143], Avernite [Hax 121 -> 144], alynkio [150], Wagonlitz [151]

Darrman - 4: Nepechri [130], Capibara [136], Arkasas [140], Claude LC [141]

Hax - 1: johho888 [126]

Claude LC - 1: brovahkiin [Avernite 137 -> 154]

Not-Voted - 2: Hax, Jacksonian Missionary

Interesting how De Chat, Darrman and Chieron have on both days voted for the same guys. Coordinating ehh?