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Garbon, maybe Kongo could have an event giving it the choice to send diplomats farther afield. The historic choice would be to not send them, but an option b where for 100gold each Kongo sends a diplomat to England, France, and Austria. If Kongo sends a diplomat to England then there is a chance for Kongo to go Protestant representing a merging of native beliefs and Catholicism. And if Kongo sends to all three they move to the China tech group (I assume they are exotic now) and has events with the option of sending diplomats to Venice, Genoa (both would be choice A) and Poland (choice B since it's real far away). Sending diplomats to Genoa and Venice would increase Trade tech. Sending a diplomat to Poland would increase innovativeness by one since they had to tolerate so many religions. The diplomat would bring back stories of this tolerance spurring the government not to crack down on pagans as much.
 
Originally posted by RepublicofGenoa
Garbon, maybe Kongo could have an event giving it the choice to send diplomats farther afield. The historic choice would be to not send them, but an option b where for 100gold each Kongo sends a diplomat to England, France, and Austria. If Kongo sends a diplomat to England then there is a chance for Kongo to go Protestant representing a merging of native beliefs and Catholicism. And if Kongo sends to all three they move to the China tech group (I assume they are exotic now) and has events with the option of sending diplomats to Venice, Genoa (both would be choice A) and Poland (choice B since it's real far away). Sending diplomats to Genoa and Venice would increase Trade tech. Sending a diplomat to Poland would increase innovativeness by one since they had to tolerate so many religions. The diplomat would bring back stories of this tolerance spurring the government not to crack down on pagans as much.
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Thats seems a bit far of a stretch though. What justification would there be for letting Kongo interact with any of these nations? It seems that the Pope and Spain were courted insofar as it related to Portugal. While I could see Kongo sending diplomats further afield, it seems a tad bit unfair to give it such advantages. For most of the time only the player would take advantage of this and the benefits seem overrated. Of course I could be way off base.
 
It just seems to me, that as a Christian nation, Kongo would have a desire to know about christian relics in a little more hands on way. I mean London, Paris, and Vienna have cathedrals and some holy relics that the Kongo government would have heard about from the Portuguese no? I'm assuming that they were unable to send diplomats out to other countries because of internal problems. So the events could have a trigger of at least +2 stability. I figure that if Kongo interacts with the world more the mindset would change (the upgrade to china tech group) and they woud try to catch up the Europeans. Plus I thought that Kongo wouldn't have much money so that 300 gold in a short period would balance the tech increase. If Kongo normaly has that much money the events could cost more so that even a human player has to think twice about sending all three diplomats.

It just seems to me that a stable Kongo would want to interact more with other Christian nations.
 
I understand this, however I still think the effects are a bit grandiose. It just doesn't seem that Kongo would change so much just because it interacted with other European nations. It seems a bit far fetched that Kongo would become more tolerant because its diplomat saw what went on in Poland. Perhaps instead, there could be a general event that allows Kongo to improve a bit if it decides to send more diplomats. However, th event should have a trigger to ensure that it doesn't happen very often.
 
Yeah the Poland one is a stretch, I couldn't think of what visiting Poland would improve but it Poland is the only other big Catholic nation to visit.

#The Conversion of Nzinga Nkuwa#
event = {
id = XXXXXX
trigger = { stability = 2 }
random = no
country = KON
name = "Sending out diplomats"
desc = ""
style = 2

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1550 }
offset = 180
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1555 }

action_a ={
name = "We will let the Portuguese take care of such things"
command = { type = relation which = POR value = 10 }
}
action_b ={
name = "Let us journey to this place called France"
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
command = { type = treasuy value = -500 }
command = { type = infra value = 100 }
command = { type = trade value = 100 }
command = { type = INF which = 385 value = 1 }
}
}
will this let Kongo see Paris or do you need a conquistodor?
 
Little update to show that I am still working on this:p

Things impeding submission

+Timbuktu often takes out Songhai:eek:
+Mossi often prevents Songhai from taking out Mali

+Flags for Hausa & Mossi
+Shields for Timbuktu
+Monarchs for Oyo, Mossi, and Timbuktu
+Fall of Songhai
+AI files for Oyo and Hausa (to prevent annexation of Oyo)
+Ivoria sequences (Ivoria should no longer have a CoT, should be added if Portugal takes Ivoria--more on this later)


I'll post an updated versions of West Africa political and religious maps soon. Changed a few things in setup changes.

Its getting there:D

Pretty Significant!:D
Fixed or Finished!
 
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Well this may be a bit early considering that historically Djenné wasn't conquered for another year. But its a start:D

Songhai managed a great feat with only getting 22 bb points. It fended off an early invasion from Morcocco as well.

Note that Dahomey owns all of Ashanti. This clearly needs to be worked upon.

In addition, I'm think that since there is no nationalism in sub-saharan Africa, that each of the West African nations should have events for when they eat up one of the other West African nations. Thus when Dahomey took out Ashanti, it should receive a +3 province revolt risk in Ashanti's territories, that'll clear by the end of the century. Otherwise, once a nation disappears in West Africa, it'll never come back.
 
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One of the things to do on my list:D

Hypothetical sequence for Ivoria

Code: 
[color=white]event = {
	id = #1#
	trigger = { 
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 790 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 816 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 789 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 796 data = -1 }
			}
		OR = {
			neighbour = BEN
			neighbour = U09
			neighbour = DAH
			neighbour = ASH
			}
		}
		NOT = {
			owned = { province = 793 data = -1 }
			}
		}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "Ivoria"
	desc = ""
	style = 3
        date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1420 } 
        offset = 25
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1500 }
	action_a ={		
		name = "We must dominate trade in Lagos but not displease"
		command = { type = relation which = BEN value = 25 } 
		command = { type = relation which = DAH value = 25 } 
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = 25 } 
		command = { type = addcore  which = 793 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 50 }
		command = { type = cot which = 793 }
		command = { type = merchants value = 6 } 
	}
	action_b ={		
		name = "Trade peacefully in Lagos"
		command = { type = relation which = BEN value = 50 } 
		command = { type = relation which = DAH value = 50 } 
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = 50 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = 75 }
		command = { type = trigger which = #2# }
		command = { type = trigger which = #3# }
		command = { type = trigger which = #4# }
		command = { type = merchants value = 2 } 
		command = { type = cot which = 793 }
	}
	action_c ={		
		name = "Lets exploit the natives!"
		command = { type = relation which = BEN value = -100 } 
		command = { type = relation which = DAH value = -100 } 
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = -100 } 
		command = { type = trade value = 150 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = DAH value = 6 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = U09 value = 6 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = BEN value = 6 }
	}
}

event = {
	id = #2#
	trigger = { 
			owned = { province = 793 data = -1 }
			exists = POR
			event = #1#
		}
	random = no
	country = DAH
	name = "Ivoria"
	desc = ""
	style = 3
	action_a ={		
		name = "We will happily trade with Portugal" 
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = 50 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = 25 }
		command = { type = trade value = 150 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 2 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = #5# }
	}
	action_b ={		
		name = "We refuse to trade!"
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = -100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POR value = 12 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = -4 } 
	}
}

event = {
	id = #3#
	trigger = { 
			owned = { province = 793 data = -1 }
			exists = POR
			event = #1#
		}
	random = no
	country = BEN
	name = "Ivoria"
	desc = ""
	style = 3
	action_a ={		
		name = "We will happily trade with Portugal"
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = 50 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = 25 }
		command = { type = trade value = 150 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 2 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = #6# }
	}
	action_b ={		
		name = "We refuse to trade!"
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = -100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POR value = 12 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = -4 } 
	}
}

event = {
	id = #4#
	trigger = { 
			owned = { province = 793 data = -1 }
			exists = POR
			event = #1#
		}
	random = no
	country = U09
	name = "Ivoria"
	desc = ""
	style = 3
	action_a ={		
		name = "We will happily trade with Portugal"
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = 50 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = 25 }
		command = { type = trade value = 150 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 2 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = #7# }
	}
	action_b ={		
		name = "We refuse to trade!"
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = -100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POR value = 12 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = -4 } 
	}
}

event = {
	id = #5#
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "Trade in West Africa"
	desc = ""
	style = 3
	action_a ={		
		name = "Trade is booming!"
		command = { type = trade value = 100 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 2 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = 25 }
	}
}

event = {
	id = #6#
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "Trade in West Africa"
	desc = ""
	style = 3
	action_a ={		
		name = "Trade is booming!"
		command = { type = trade value = 100 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 2 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = 25 }
	}
}

event = {
	id = #7#
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "Trade in West Africa"
	desc = ""
	style = 3
	action_a ={		
		name = "Trade is booming!"
		command = { type = trade value = 100 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 2 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = 25 }
	}
}[/color]

Updated checklist by the way ^.^
 
So here is an update on North Africa:


Things ready for next release

+Political and Religious setups
+Many of the monarchs and graphics for new nations
+Morocco has relation of +100 with Songhai. They actually were quite friendly and this should prevent early aggression on the part of Morocco.
+Events for Songhai, Mali, Timbuktu, and Mossi for 15th century.
+Tech changes for West African nations
+Province swaps
+Kongo events and Kongo's knowledge of Zanzibar (Note Hausa has knowledge of Alexandria, so eventually some trade will go there.)

Serious errors

+Songhai sometimes becomes too large
+Need to fix Timbuktu Independence event as they keeping allying with Mali :eek:
+Making sure that Hausa doesn't become ahistorically large.
+Keeping southern West Africa quiet for the most part.

Miscellaneous

+I still need to test CoT in Leone
+Some sort of "nationalism" for West African nations
+I still need to test CoT in Leone
+Some sort of "nationalism" for West African nations. For some reason, the Hausa provinces have nationalism :confused:
+Complete destruction of Songhai has yet to be worked on
+Making sure Songhai doesn’t take Niani-location of Mali for a long time after the destruction of their empire.
+I still need info to make events for Oyo, Benin, Dahomey, and Ashanti
+What to do about Ivoria and Lagos?
 
There is nationalism in the Muslim provinces. Just not the pagans.

Once Kongo gets knowledge of Lisbon the cat is out of the bag. When Portugal makes peace with anyone Kongo will see their capital. So I think the question is whn to let them see Lisbon rather than worrying about what happens after that. I'm concerned that without their isolation penalty, and with the Catholic bonus (IF they manage to convert their provinces) Kongo could end up much stronger than the rest of West Africa and end up beating up on Benin et al.
 
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The Kongo will be unable to beat anyone if they can't get there. As far as I've read I don't remember him giving Kongo knowledge of the land or sea provinces leading to West Africa. All it will porbably do is let Kongo survive the aggressions of European nations.
 
In my games they always seem to have knowledge of the provinces leading to Nigeria by the midgame. Presumably the sequence is
1) Euro colonizes province known by Kongo
2) Euro colonizes province adjacent to province known by Kongo
3) Euro DEW's Kongo
4) Kongo marches army through known province and into unknown province.

Repeat as needed.

I seem to always see their armies make it past Duoala by the 17th century. So I don't think they need to be too lucky.

And I have yet to see a European power take out Kongo. Or anyone else for that matter. So I don't think they need to be strengthened.
 
West Africa Update

Things impeding submission

+Making sure nations behave historically
+Flags for Hausa & Mossi
+Shields for Timbuktu
+Monarchs for Oyo and Timbuktu
+Fall of Songhai (probably won't get to though)
+AI files for Oyo and Hausa (to prevent annexation of Oyo)
+Testing of Kongo and catholicism
 
Just give me the pic. of Timbuktu and i will make it.
 
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