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Birger is developing an Old World only map for the Rome Universalis mod. You could use that when he's done.
Edit: Mad King James is making a map specifically for mods set in ancient times.
Edit: Mad King James is making a map specifically for mods set in ancient times.
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With the time period you're proposing, this may be better as a mod for Crusader Kings. I must say, I like the idea though; it may well be able to stand as its own game. The map would have to be pretty big, considering the vast scope of Islam; pretty much all of the Eastern Hemisphere would have to be included. Of course, in that case, it may be a bit difficult to focus on the Islamic nations rather than on Europe or China. Interesting proposal, though; it'd be fun to play, say, the Almohads and push Dar al-Islam into France.
I'd be willing to contribute my support for this. I've been thinking of writing events to go along with DS's mod for CK about the Muslims, if I ever learned to script events at all.
I speak some Arabic and am somewhat knowledgable about Islamic history. I am not, however, a Muslim, nor am I of Arabic origin.
I speak some Arabic and am somewhat knowledgable about Islamic history. I am not, however, a Muslim, nor am I of Arabic origin.
Pikeman85 said:
I don't really see why it would be necessary to be muslim or of arabic origin to care about their history/(more specifically in your case) make events for them.
You could check out the 476 scenario, going from 476-819 (last time I checked) and they'll have a 632 scenario among other. Perhaps not what you're looking for if you want to go further (1419 or so) or want to change the map.
Still, you might get ideas from each other; Link:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86737
Still, you might get ideas from each other; Link:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86737
that would be great you could take a look at this site by Harvard http://home.broadpark.no/~havmoe/EU/Pikeman85 said:
thats just perfect I come from Persia/DenmarkPikeman85 said:
There is some maps at this side:
http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Dept/HY/Ashley/HY104/images/MapKeys/medievalmaps.htm
maps of Islam:
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China:
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Byzantium:
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http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Dept/HY/Ashley/HY104/images/MapKeys/medievalmaps.htm
maps of Islam:
China:
Byzantium:
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cool-toxic said:
Of course that list is great.. it covers what we need, though more religions could be nice..
the main problem however, is wether such a scenario rather should be made in CK.. as noted by someone above.. I don't have it.. (CK) it's impossible to coeme across in Norway..
another main issue is that EU2 only offers one religion-one culture per province.. unlike Victoria which gives you a detailed diagram of the factions in the populations. I guess that we can't change that..
someone spoke of a map already made, for a Roman scenario.. could it be used for our purpose...?
these things must be decided before we can go any further...
I wholly agree with your choice of map-area.. it covers the 10:40-window.. plus a part of Europa... There won't be any reason to include America, Australia and southern Africa...
but cutting the map in this way also means that we'll have to make a map... unless the Roman could be used.. I haven't seen it but we know that the Romans and Chinese traded with each other from about year 0... in fact Christianity reached China about year 100...
but cutting the map in this way also means that we'll have to make a map... unless the Roman could be used.. I haven't seen it but we know that the Romans and Chinese traded with each other from about year 0... in fact Christianity reached China about year 100...
About the religions I feel that we lack Ortodox Christianity...
in the Arabian peninsula there was many religious groups at the time of Muhammed.. there were Jews, pagan Arabs, Abionitts (close to Nestorians, both are "christian" groups that deny the Trinitiy) and some places like in Yemen and Jordan, true christians "ortodox"...
In Syria there were many Nestorians, though in Lebanon and Israel there were many ortodox/catolics.. In Egypt there were Copts, likewise in Sudan/Nubia and Ethiopia.. In Libya, Tunisia etc. there were true christians, ortodox/catolics... the same for Anatolia, Armenia, Iraq etc.
in Persia there were mostly Zoroastrians but some christians and jews..
where to put Judaism isn't easy.. there were many Jews in Arabia, but when Muhammed told the muslims that Allah hated the Jews they had to flee.. and so they fled from country to country, always being caught by the advancing muslim armies.. they found realtive peace in Spain and Eastern Europe though..
in the east buddhism and hinduism is strong.. I belive that most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan belonged to these two groups.. and of course East and Souht-East-Asia.. In Africa Christianity is strong in north and east, while paganism is strong in the west and south.. in Europe Catolisism and Ortodox is strong, though nortern and eastern Europe is pagan...
cultures is also an issue.. surely Arab culture is much smaller initially than in EU2-proper..
in the Arabian peninsula there was many religious groups at the time of Muhammed.. there were Jews, pagan Arabs, Abionitts (close to Nestorians, both are "christian" groups that deny the Trinitiy) and some places like in Yemen and Jordan, true christians "ortodox"...
In Syria there were many Nestorians, though in Lebanon and Israel there were many ortodox/catolics.. In Egypt there were Copts, likewise in Sudan/Nubia and Ethiopia.. In Libya, Tunisia etc. there were true christians, ortodox/catolics... the same for Anatolia, Armenia, Iraq etc.
in Persia there were mostly Zoroastrians but some christians and jews..
where to put Judaism isn't easy.. there were many Jews in Arabia, but when Muhammed told the muslims that Allah hated the Jews they had to flee.. and so they fled from country to country, always being caught by the advancing muslim armies.. they found realtive peace in Spain and Eastern Europe though..
in the east buddhism and hinduism is strong.. I belive that most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan belonged to these two groups.. and of course East and Souht-East-Asia.. In Africa Christianity is strong in north and east, while paganism is strong in the west and south.. in Europe Catolisism and Ortodox is strong, though nortern and eastern Europe is pagan...
cultures is also an issue.. surely Arab culture is much smaller initially than in EU2-proper..
well it´s MKJ that is making the map now byt he have said this:
Mad King James said:
okay but what religion do you want to delete?mhusoy said:
EDIT: There is only 11 Religions en EU2
cool-toxic said:
Yeah, it sounds nice.. it covers all we need.. (Denmark and Norway too, just for fun...)
nice that it covers all the way to Java, because the Muslims reached it at some point.. 13th-14th century.. but in the game they can reach it sooner.. if we want.. having all of China is also good, because the Arabs tried to invade China in the 8th century, and they beat them in Chinese Central Asia.. (were they took hostages and got to know of paper and gunpowder..)
adding to the excitement is that Byzantium and Persia were the real great powers at the time the Arabs attacked, though they had warred against each others, and wasted their manpowers.. (which was the reason why the Arabs had such a good time destroying these empires..)
cool-toxic said:
yes.. it's difficult..
given that we use coptic for ortodox it's okay. though these two are not exactly the same..
Judaism is small, and difficult to place.. although they played a major part in the rise of Islam.. (muslims prayed toward Jerusalem the first years beacuse Muhammed hoped that the Jews would convert.. when they didn't he chose Mekka instead..)
maybe we can just keep these 11.. it may be the best.. we need the "false" christians.. Nestorians.. they played an important role.. beacuse they were in disagreements with Constantinople they eased the muslim conquests much..
I guess we could keep it..