What about "Arabia Universalis"..

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I have some experience in mapmaking, perhaps I can help you out?

We should prolly begin with arabia and the modern middle east, as that is the most important parts of the muslim world in this era anyway.
Also, to make it more muslim, we could arrange the map so that Mekkha is in the center of it. (^^)

Well from what i can see on the map it shows PERSIA in the middle, now we can´t change that now can we

 

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I have some experience in mapmaking, perhaps I can help you out?

We should prolly begin with arabia and the modern middle east, as that is the most important parts of the muslim world in this era anyway.
Also, to make it more muslim, we could arrange the map so that Mekkha is in the center of it. (^^)

If you want to make the map that would be great, but if not you could always find maps of the area we need(I think that would be all areas on the map now)

 

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The only thing i have made on the map is the coastline, we need source maps.

 

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Kazars*

I'd hesitate to consider the Khazars fully tribal at this point. By this time, they've done most of the migrating and have somewhat settled, and their city-building suggests they led at least a semi-sedentery life.

Ghassanids?

The Ghassanids were Arab Christian vassals of the Byzantines, who often fought with the Hirae.

Information on them:

http://www.hostkingdom.net/Jordan.html#Jordan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids

 

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Okay i´m done:

Nice work on religious symbols.. can you give a description on what's what..

Your loadscreen seems good...

Mapmaking seems to be the next major step..

as well as deciding scenarios..

I guess that ca. 630/32 is good.. at least for the campaign of the muslims against Byzantium and Persia.. on the other hand a campaing covering Muhammed life and his conquest of the Arabian Peninsula should also be covered.. (in normal EU2 GC you can start as small, weak Muscowy or Castila, but in time you can recreate the Spanish and Russian worldpowers..) the same should be possible here... to start (as Muhammed) with Medina, and take all of Arabia from that point..

The muslims started hostilites about 623, and had taken the Arabian peninsula by 630/32... that would be a nice "warm up" for the conquests from 632 and onwards.. (which ended about 751.. when Islam turned to more peaceful doings..) in the end of the 10th century they became aggressive again, so about 970 should be a new campaign..

my suggestions for campaigns..:

623- covering the life of Muhammed (the aggressive years) this camp could just go on... (it shouldn't stop at Muhammeds death..)

630/32- the Arabian peninsula taken and Muhammed dead.. covering the massive expansion in the Middle East, North Africa, Iberia, Caucasus, Persia, Pakistan etc. the big expansion ended about 750.. (at this time, both Franks and Chinese had been attacked.. this should be covered somehow..) of course the time should just go on...

970- the next aggression by the islamic states.. this time the islamic world is divided, and the Byzantines are recovering from the shock of 636 (Jarmuk).. this one is interesting as it marks the downfall of Islam as leading power.. the Europeans were quickly advansing at this time.. leading to the Crusades, the Reconquista and.. EU2..

is it wise to stop were CK starts? about 1060.. right..?? or should we get the Turkish expansion and the Crusades as well..?? at least the Arab domination ended before 1000.

 

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I'd hesitate to consider the Khazars fully tribal at this point. By this time, they've done most of the migrating and have somewhat settled, and their city-building suggests they led at least a semi-sedentery life.



The Ghassanids were Arab Christian vassals of the Byzantines, who often fought with the Hirae.

Information on them:

http://www.hostkingdom.net/Jordan.html#Jordan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids

thanks.

 

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The only thing i have made on the map is the coastline, we need source maps.

Nice. Im impressed that you have come so far already. can't you use the Euratlas maps as sources.. since EU-games-maps are on province-level it shouldn't be too hard..? what about the ROman map you spoke of earlier..??

Hopefully we'll have many provinces.. both to make the game more interesting, ( by adding to the lousy few EU2-Arabian-peninsula-provs) but also because we need more provs to cover cultures and religions better...

maybe we can try to make a major religious event similar to the Reformation (which enables Shiites at the time of Ali..)

are we going to make files similar to EU2? province-list, leader-lists, monarchl-lists, events, etc...?

 

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Nice work on religious symbols.. can you give a description on what's what..

Your loadscreen seems good...

Mapmaking seems to be the next major step..

as well as deciding scenarios..

Thanks have you downloaded the .rar? if not then do it asap.
Mapmaking,Ho chi minh want to help us making the map.
Deciding scenarios, yes.

I guess that ca. 630/32 is good.. at least for the campaign of the muslims against Byzantium and Persia.. on the other hand a campaing covering Muhammed life and his conquest of the Arabian Peninsula should also be covered.. (in normal EU2 GC you can start as small, weak Muscowy or Castila, but in time you can recreate the Spanish and Russian worldpowers..) the same should be possible here... to start (as Muhammed) with Medina, and take all of Arabia from that point..

The muslims started hostilites about 623, and had taken the Arabian peninsula by 630/32... that would be a nice "warm up" for the conquests from 632 and onwards.. (which ended about 751.. when Islam turned to more peaceful doings..) in the end of the 10th century they became aggressive again, so about 970 should be a new campaign..

my suggestions for campaigns..:

623- covering the life of Muhammed (the aggressive years) this camp could just go on... (it shouldn't stop at Muhammeds death..)

630/32- the Arabian peninsula taken and Muhammed dead.. covering the massive expansion in the Middle East, North Africa, Iberia, Caucasus, Persia, Pakistan etc. the big expansion ended about 750.. (at this time, both Franks and Chinese had been attacked.. this should be covered somehow..) of course the time should just go on...

970- the next aggression by the islamic states.. this time the islamic world is divided, and the Byzantines are recovering from the shock of 636 (Jarmuk).. this one is interesting as it marks the downfall of Islam as leading power.. the Europeans were quickly advansing at this time.. leading to the Crusades, the Reconquista and.. EU2..

that sounds great, maybe one more in 800?

is it wise to stop were CK starts? about 1060.. right..?? or should we get the Turkish expansion and the Crusades as well..?? at least the Arab domination ended before 1000.

I think 200 years would be better. it would however be cool if it ended in 1419.

 

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Cool-toxic, your'e only 12 years old?? :wacko:

 

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Cool-toxic, your'e only 12 years old?? :wacko:

Yes,is there something wrong?

 

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Nice. Im impressed that you have come so far already. can't you use the Euratlas maps as sources.. since EU-games-maps are on province-level it shouldn't be too hard..? what about the ROman map you spoke of earlier..??

yeah your right, well we talked about it/wrote about it and the map is not the right size.

Hopefully we'll have many provinces.. both to make the game more interesting, ( by adding to the lousy few EU2-Arabian-peninsula-provs) but also because we need more provs to cover cultures and religions better...

thats right.

maybe we can try to make a major religious event similar to the Reformation (which enables Shiites at the time of Ali..)

holy shit this is going to be great!!

are we going to make files similar to EU2? province-list, leader-lists, monarchl-lists, events, etc...?

yes i do think so what else?

 

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Thanks have you downloaded the .rar? if not then do it asap.
Mapmaking,Ho chi minh want to help us making the map.
Deciding scenarios, yes.

the cpu I'm using isn't my primary , but I can download it all the same..
could to have Ho Chi Minh.. (is he muslim? strange choice of name then..)

that sounds great, maybe one more in 800?

Yes... of course.. covering the Golden age.. sure..
which gives scen1:623- scen2:632- scen3:ca800 and scen4:ca970..

and we could add one covering the Crusades in particular.. or the Turkish expansion (manzikert 971)...

I think 200 years would be better. it would however be cool if it ended in 1419.

what do you mean by "200 years etc.".. yeah, cool if it ended in 1419.. of course..

 

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the cpu I'm using isn't my primary , but I can download it all the same..
could to have Ho Chi Minh.. (is he muslim? strange choice of name then..)

okay, yes it is, i don´t know try ask him Ho chi minh = Saigon
could also be this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

Yes... of course.. covering the Golden age.. sure..
which gives scen1:623- scen2:632- scen3:ca800 and scen4:ca970..

yes that would be fun to play

and we could add one covering the Crusades in particular.. or the Turkish expansion (manzikert 971)...

yeah.

what do you mean by "200 years etc.".. yeah, cool if it ended in 1419.. of course..

200 to play in. well we do both think it would be cool playing to 1419 why don´t we just say that it ends in 1419?

 

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Hochiminh, You are now the official AU map designer.

 

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200 to play in. well we do both think it would be cool playing to 1419 why don´t we just say that it ends in 1419?

Hm.. it seems okay..

which gives:

scen1: 623-1419 "The Rise of Islam" or "The Age of Muhammed" or something like that.. (there're lots of overexagerating names to use..)

scen2: 632-1419 "The Rise of the Caliphate" or "Jihad".. eh.. isn't there someting called the "Ummah".. the worldwide islamic nation (at least that's their goal.. ) ... well.. I guess we'll have som skilled personell on the Arab language, and religious words.. though I know a few myself.. like "kafir" etc..

scen3: 750-1419 "The Golden Age of Islam" (this covers the golden years of the 800s..)

scen4: 970-1419 "The fall of the Kaliphate..??" or something.. I'm not sure.. at least the Muslim world was never reunited again.. "The Long Decline.."

scen5: 1050/70: "The rise of the Turks and the Crusades"... this also covers the most critical years of the Reconquista, as the Christian started to win wars around 1050.. even allying with the more peaceful muslims, while the warlike Morrocans attacked relentlessly.. at 1250 most of Iberia had been liberated from the muslims.. so these years are highly interesting..

also scens for the Golden age, straight into year 800 could be made..

but having an end in 1419/18 is good.. maybe we then can convert files..

 

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Hochiminh, You are now the official AU map designer.

good to know.. as I myself knows little about that..

when creating scenarios/countries/events etc. should we start with an EU-file and adjust it, step by step??

of course we need provinces first, countries(codes like NOR or DAN).. and of course a system for our IDs... IDs for events, countries, leaders, monarchs..

consering provs I suggest we keep to the resources of EU2..?? (they had lots of grain and wool in the Middle East..) what about state-officials? are merchants, colonists, missionaries and diplomats good?? three of them are a must, but I doubt that colonists are very usefull.. though the Arabs colonized many of their conquered areas.. however this "colonization" was more a mix of assimilating the populations, forced conversions etc..

 

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Hm.. it seems okay..

which gives:

scen1: 623-1419 "The Rise of Islam" or "The Age of Muhammed" or something like that.. (there're lots of overexagerating names to use..)

yes i know

scen2: 632-1419 "The Rise of the Caliphate" or "Jihad".. eh.. isn't there someting called the "Ummah".. the worldwide islamic nation (at least that's their goal.. ) ... well.. I guess we'll have som skilled personell on the Arab language, and religious words.. though I know a few myself.. like "kafir" etc..

i don´t know, i would go with this "The Rise of the Caliphate"

scen3: 750-1419 "The Golden Age of Islam" (this covers the golden years of the 800s..)

cool

scen4: 970-1419 "The fall of the Kaliphate..??" or something.. I'm not sure.. at least the Muslim world was never reunited again.. "The Long Decline.."

"The Rise of the Caliphate" and the "The Fall of the Caliphate" is good

scen5: 1050/70: "The rise of the Turks and the Crusades"... this also covers the most critical years of the Reconquista, as the Christian started to win wars around 1050.. even allying with the more peaceful muslims, while the warlike Morrocans attacked relentlessly.. at 1250 most of Iberia had been liberated from the muslims.. so these years are highly interesting..

sounds great

also scens for the Golden age, straight into year 800 could be made..

well if we got a 750 scenario i don´t think we need a 800 scenario.

but having an end in 1419/18 is good.. maybe we then can convert files..

yes, convert which files?

 

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good to know.. as I myself knows little about that..

when creating scenarios/countries/events etc. should we start with an EU-file and adjust it, step by step??

scenarios, yes coutries, yes events, no

of course we need provinces first, countries(codes like NOR or DAN)..

I don´t know what you are talking about well we can´t change the tags.

consering provs I suggest we keep to the resources of EU2..?? (they had lots of grain and wool in the Middle East..)

what about state-officials? are merchants, colonists, missionaries and diplomats good?? three of them are a must, but I doubt that colonists are very usefull.. though the Arabs colonized many of their conquered areas.. however this "colonization" was more a mix of assimilating the populations, forced conversions etc..

what?i think thats hardcoded

 

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Ouch. Responsibility. =)

Well, I am going to be away for a while, or at least have very little access to the internet, jsut so you know.

And, as for me as a person, I am not muslim. The nick was... well, I wanted a historic person, but off course all were taken on this forum, except Ho Chi minh, hence my nick. I really dont know much about Ho Chi Minh, though.

 

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Ouch. Responsibility. =)

Well, I am going to be away for a while, or at least have very little access to the internet, jsut so you know.

And, as for me as a person, I am not muslim. The nick was... well, I wanted a historic person, but off course all were taken on this forum, except Ho Chi minh, hence my nick. I really dont know much about Ho Chi Minh, though.

okay, it´s allways nice to know.
right.