Well if there will be hussite revolution event, i think it could make a difference with the fact, even while starting in 1399. Plus the great western schism should be more introduced in the early game.
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Well if there will be hussite revolution event, i think it could make a difference with the fact, even while starting in 1399. Plus the great western schism should be more introduced in the early game.
It's still a long way to go and things may change but as of now Byzantophiles need not to worry and someone here already guessed the right start. Which one I will of course not say...
Humm... so we will start from poland-lithuanian crushade against timur?
It is logical because it is eu3-ish, but not the same, as it does not start in october(in october the war was allready at an end).
I will be very happy if the Napoleonic Wars and the early 15th century are excluded. They never really felt like they fitted with the rest of the game. 1444-1792 would be ideal for me.
Ur no fun. Extended timeline is allways better, as you can anyway chose to start from later dates, or end earlier.
It's not just the fact that "more content is better", there's also the fact that the game they're making may simply not be meant to focus on a certain period of time which makes them have to start at a later date than what EU3 did. Even then, vanilla EU3 started in 1453, didn't it? This is a date I would be perfectly fine with, as someone else pointed out earlier there will be a huge amount of mods to include an earlier time period anyway so I don't see why Paradox should be forced to focus on a period they didn't design the game around. Also as I said earlier, CK2 ends in 1453 so it would make a lot of sense for EU4 to start where CK2 ends, especially so if there will be a savegame converter (there most likely will be).
Oh, I am biased, I have to say. I love how EU3 starts smack down in the middle of Milan's golden age - earlier, and it is a relatively minor county; after, and Gian Galeazzo is dead and his successors already demolished everything.
EDIT: I would be ok with 1453 as a start date, if earlier dates were included in CK2.
EDIT: I would be ok with 1453 as a start date, if earlier dates were included in CK2.
My guess is that the game will start a few weeks/days/months before the Battle of Varna, just like in CK2 with the start date being right before the Norman Invasion.
I'd like to see a more stable start to cut down on some of the extremely weird happenings of EU3, so later than 1399, but I'm also Byzantophile and like reviving dead empires, so earlier than 1453.
Easy way to do it, would be making hordes more balanced, so they don't just destroy everything on their site. Plus making leader death actualy crumbling for AI. Or removing the hordes entirely, and just making them tribal like they were, plus just adding new cultures, so that crimean tartars are other than astrakhan or kazan ones.
1453 is the way to go. I absolutely hated seeing Byzantium becoming the dominant power in the Balkans. I'd like to see the Ottomans reaching their historical power. I'm also for the 1792 end date. All you Byzantophiles and Napoleanophiles have CK2 and March of the Eagles.
I've always thought this game should be like the original 1453-1789. These are two huge events that define this period. Fall of Constantinople is ultimately what led to the discovery of the Americas and the rise of Europe during this time to the Revolution that ended the era of monarchies.
I'd rather have a better, more detailed game in a shorter period than one that extends over such a long time.
But that's my opinion.
I'd rather have a better, more detailed game in a shorter period than one that extends over such a long time.
But that's my opinion.
Well historicaly they could have failed, they were just lucky. I am not the uber fan of historical correctness in game. There should be possible some differences, from history. I more would want game to be more logical in the way of treatment. Like ottomans should strive to eradicate countries that are owning their cores, and conquer the states that are strategical positioned. But they should not be unstoppable monster. Simmiliar with france, it should be striving for unity of france, and death of burgundy, but burgundy should be in position to have chances in defeating them. And no GH in balkans, which is quite riddiculous(at least when it happen constantly, and when golden horde like almost never fail, until 1500, and even then sometimes survives some time enough to scare everybody around, only to be eaten by bohemia...). More plausibility, less riddiculousity.
The beautiful thing here is that we (probably) have most necessary information to roll back the start date with modifications since both Death & Taxes and MEIOU push the start date to 1356.
Right now, the screenshots show England in 1445, so a 1453/1492 start is out of the question. Looking at the borders and the overall lack of historical divergence in the alpha screenshot, it looks like the developer wasn't playing very long. Most likely, he chose one of the default bookmarks, and in the alpha, there is probably only the Grand Campaign date.
Therefore, I'm left to conclude that the start date is somewhere around 1445, and the most reasonable start date would be 1444 during/after the Battle of Varna.
Right now, the screenshots show England in 1445, so a 1453/1492 start is out of the question. Looking at the borders and the overall lack of historical divergence in the alpha screenshot, it looks like the developer wasn't playing very long. Most likely, he chose one of the default bookmarks, and in the alpha, there is probably only the Grand Campaign date.
Therefore, I'm left to conclude that the start date is somewhere around 1445, and the most reasonable start date would be 1444 during/after the Battle of Varna.
1066 please
I don't care what EU3 did or that people think the game should be all about european imperialism, I want to play ancient times in something other than europe, jesus fucking christ has the roman lake not received enough attention already? Much earlier starting times, and all around the world.
I don't care what EU3 did or that people think the game should be all about european imperialism, I want to play ancient times in something other than europe, jesus fucking christ has the roman lake not received enough attention already? Much earlier starting times, and all around the world.
The mechanics don't fit that period at all, it was feudalism, which is CKII, just play CKII with a whole world mod.
The sadest thing with 1453 start is no Holland to start with......
My guess is 1399, 1419 or 1444 start to be the most likely ones.
(One more thing; I hope it will take abit longer to expand in Europe for the player, so I don't feel I've won the game after 100 years. Hopefully the rediculous 2 years to fill up manpower is gone. I'd also like to see a system where you set up goals before a war. If you happen to take more then your goal in a peace it might upset alot of other nations extra hard. Would also be nice if it was somewhat harder to maintain vassals and PU's. Especially those you don't boarder.)
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1444-1804 (March of the Eagles?)
Personally I would prefer 1440 (Battle of Anghiari, Election of Frederick III., begin of the old Zürich war, Siege of Belgrad) but I think, if it will end with March of the Eagles, 1444 would be a better date.
Personally I would prefer 1440 (Battle of Anghiari, Election of Frederick III., begin of the old Zürich war, Siege of Belgrad) but I think, if it will end with March of the Eagles, 1444 would be a better date.
I'm hoping for 1453-1804. There's a beautiful gap between Crusader Kings II and EUIV in that case, notably 1337-1453. You can choose a starting date in CKII up until 1337 and play until 1453 though. This is the period of the Hundred Years' War, which I'd hope they'd fill with a proper game about precisely that war and period or why not a substantial add-on for CKII. There are no good games featuring the Hundred Years' War out there right now. I don't know why, since there's lots of potential in that period.
I think 1453 would be a good starting date, for four reasons:
1. The Ottoman Empire has extinguished the last flame of antiquity (Fall of the East Roman Empire).
2. Denmark and Sweden would be at eachothers throats from the beginning and the restoration of the Kalmar Union would only be a very loose personal union.
3. France and England would be fighting the last part of the looong "Hundred Years War".
4. Poland and Lithuania should be united in Poland-Lithuania and this union would be one of the strongest powers of Eastern Europe.
I think the best end date would be 31. December 1870, because the unification of Germany and Italy marks the beginning of the end for the total domination of the world by the old European powers (Europa Universalis). More importantly, around this time USA and Japan would no longer simply dance to the pipe of the European powers.
An updated EU game-engine should be able to handle such a long timeline (1453-1870), because many historic events (such as the Crimean War and The US-Mexican Wars) could be portrayed better in an Europa Universalis-game. Simply introduce a republic and monarchy flag for all countries to add flavor to the game.
1. The Ottoman Empire has extinguished the last flame of antiquity (Fall of the East Roman Empire).
2. Denmark and Sweden would be at eachothers throats from the beginning and the restoration of the Kalmar Union would only be a very loose personal union.
3. France and England would be fighting the last part of the looong "Hundred Years War".
4. Poland and Lithuania should be united in Poland-Lithuania and this union would be one of the strongest powers of Eastern Europe.
I think the best end date would be 31. December 1870, because the unification of Germany and Italy marks the beginning of the end for the total domination of the world by the old European powers (Europa Universalis). More importantly, around this time USA and Japan would no longer simply dance to the pipe of the European powers.
An updated EU game-engine should be able to handle such a long timeline (1453-1870), because many historic events (such as the Crimean War and The US-Mexican Wars) could be portrayed better in an Europa Universalis-game. Simply introduce a republic and monarchy flag for all countries to add flavor to the game.
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I want to see my Byzantium. And am I the only one that never ever saw Byzantium live? Either ottomans take them or Venice :/