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I think there ought to be made an optional sub mod for the White Walker Invasion.
This was my idea:

(there may be spoilers ahead, so stop here if you haven't finished the books!)

While we no very little about the Whitewalkers, I think we can assume what they may, or may not be like by analysing other creatures that are similar within the High Fantasy genre. This is what springs to my mind when I see them:
- The Undead/ The Scourge (From Warcraft III)
- Vampires (of various kinds)
- Orks/Orcs (Tolkein, Warcraft, Starcraft etc.)

These creatures all seem to have an underlying theme i.e. CONQUER! KILL! DESTROY! ... everything in their path ... for no particular reason ...

Concerning the Whitewalkers, I think its safe to say that they probably want to do the same. This being said, one would think they have a reason. I have always speculated that the Whitewalkers or Others are Children of the Forest who either:

A: Did not or refused to "sign" the "Pact" with the First Men and as a result fled to the North, beyond the wall to The Lands Without Winter. Over the centuries they have evolved, their hatred of the First Men driving them mad, their only desire to destroy all men, their cities etc. They returned 4,000 years later during the Long Night in an effort to wipe out the First Men and the alliance they forged with their former kin.

B: Children of the Forest who survived the Andal Invasion and fled North. (This is less likely due to the appearance of the Others during the Long Night, however I like to think that the Andal Invasion bolstered the numbers of the Others/Whitewalkers.

These all give reasons for the White Walker invading, they want revenge! To plunge Westeros into eternal Darkness because they can no longer live in the Day and destroy all mankind and their "brethren who betrayed!" removing all traces of them from Westeros or enslaving their dead as Zombies/Walkers/Whights etc.

Now for my idea:

Of course the Nights Watch and the Wildlings need to be revamped and I quite like the ideas seen here:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?782655-It-s-about-time-to-revamp-the-Wildings

But thats a different subject.
ANYWAY

White Walker Invasion itself would be a randomised scripted even that would occur during a long winter. They would basically be like big doom stacks that appear up north. Wilding and Nightswatch players would be warned so that they can prep and after a while (generally when its too late, the rest of Westeros would be warned)

When they invade, they take settlement by settlement, turning them into Ruins, which would also become infested with Whites. With every city taken, their armies get bigger due to all the dead rising. You can't initiate any kind of diplomatic actions with them all you can do is fight and hold them back. Perhaps, just to make it a little easier, they'll stop every so often to give the play time to rebuild and fightback, but then after they start up their war again. Eventually all of Westeros would lay in ruins, with perhaps a few pockets of resistance in the Vale or Dorne, fighting back.

Essentially they're virtually unstoppable for the first part of the invasion. Once things have settled down, then you can begin to fight back.

After the invasion, I'd love to see the Westerosi people fleeing to Essos, kind of like a reverse Andal and Firstmen Invasion. They would set up petty kingdoms across, perhaps launching Westerosi "Crusades" against Essossi kingdoms. Would also love to see the Nights Watch making their last stand at Kings Landing, perhaps behaving in a similar way to the the Teutonic Order did, inviting young lords to go a "Ranging" with them bringing men, gold and supplies. One could put some cool Dragon Invasion Mechanics/Valyrian Crusades (exiled Targs perhaps?) or even the Chosen of Rh'llor going off to clear out the White Walkers, with Azor Ahai returned and Lightbringer in toe hehe :p perhaps even the remnants of the Children of the Forest could rise up and begin to fight off the White Walkers with the aid of the human resistance.

After this your goal is to cleanse and rebuild Westeros as whoever you like, rebuild the ruined settlements and rebuild the kingdom of the Iron Throne etc, etc, etc.

In terms of White Walker weaknesses, perhaps in a duel, if one had dragon glass daggers, or swords or valyrian steel with them, maybe their could be a march higher chance of fighting off the White Walker armies. Furthermore if one could crown themselves Night's King and some how enslave the White Walkers or something... anyway thats my idea. Its long, complicated and mostly a dream that will never happen (probs) but hey idm haha :p hope people liked it, feel free to take it up as a mod if you want :D

If you want any other ideas see the Zombies/Undead/Drauger Kingdom in the Elder Kings mod (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?842-Elder-Kings-Mod) or the Crusader Kings Z Mod (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?732226-MiniMod-Crusader-Kings-Z)

P.S. I just realised how long this is hahaha
 
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These creatures all seem to have an underlying theme i.e. CONQUER! KILL! DESTROY! ... everything in their path ... for no particular reason ...

Do they? We know nothing about their plans. All we have are 8000 years old stories about them. What are the chance even one word of that is true? For all we know they can be the "good guys" who want to destroy the real evil. Because in Martins book, nothing is purely good or evil.

It is too much speculations at this point to implement them into the game.
 
Do they? We know nothing about their plans. All we have are 8000 years old stories about them. What are the chance even one word of that is true? For all we know they can be the "good guys" who want to destroy the real evil. Because in Martins book, nothing is purely good or evil.

It is too much speculations at this point to implement them into the game.

A theory - balance. Like R'hllor vs. the Great Other.....the Children vs. the Others. One stands for "light," one for "darkness." In order for mankind to thrive, there must be both.....but they both want it all.
Emphasis here on "both" - I don't trust the Children fully. But basically.........this could turn into one great showdown where we want neither to win. Also, potential spoiler ahead, especially for book people, but wasn't there that episode that showed the Night's King. Could that be reason to invade - revenge for that?
 
I have no opinion on the walkers, but as to the other idea raised in the OP, I'd love to be able to declare myself Nights King. It would make all those castles up there actually matter! It could also function like the Wildling invasion in issuing a general call to arms against the Night's King once you take the crown.
 
A theory - balance. Like R'hllor vs. the Great Other.....the Children vs. the Others. One stands for "light," one for "darkness." In order for mankind to thrive, there must be both.....but they both want it all.
Emphasis here on "both" - I don't trust the Children fully.

Oh i am sure the Children have a secret agenda. And don't forget R'hllor worshipers thing Warge and Direwolfs are servants of the Great Other. What if the Starks were allies of the Others in that war 8000 years ago?
 
Oh i am sure the Children have a secret agenda. And don't forget R'hllor worshipers think Wargs and Direwolves are servants of the Great Other. What if the Starks were allies of the Others in that war 8000 years ago?

I think that's just the followers of R'hllor with their 'the Lord of Light is all that is good, so if you don't worship him you're evil' mindset. Plus, according to legend, House Stark was founded by Bran the Builder; the guy who built the Wall in the first place.
 
I think that's just the followers of R'hllor with their 'the Lord of Light is all that is good, so if you don't worship him you're evil' mindset. Plus, according to legend, House Stark was founded by Bran the Builder; the guy who built the Wall in the first place.

Unlike most books with massive backstories, however, I feel like you can't trust the mythos too much, but that some of it is true, so I take it all with a grain of salt.

Perhaps it is just as basic as "you have nice land that our soviet doesn't have so we want it" mentality? Or *gasp* something that's fighting the Others and driving them south, or maybe......

George, get writing please! I want the answer!
 
Martin has repeatedly stated that he despises the generic evil horde cliche in fantasy novels, I think it's safe to say that the White Walkers are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more complex than we can imagine now. I even went back and added a few "a's". I highly doubt the Walkers don't have their own likely respectable motives for what they do. As good ole Jorah said on the tele, "There's good and evil on both sides of every war ever fought."
 
Do they? We know nothing about their plans. All we have are 8000 years old stories about them. What are the chance even one word of that is true? For all we know they can be the "good guys" who want to destroy the real evil. Because in Martins book, nothing is purely good or evil.

It is too much speculations at this point to implement them into the game.

You'll notice I wasn't talking specifically about the White Walkers, simply drawing comparison to creatures that draw similarities with them....

On another note, was the Night's King a Stark? or is that just in the game?

Martin has repeatedly stated that he despises the generic evil horde cliche in fantasy novels, I think it's safe to say that the White Walkers are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more complex than we can imagine now. I even went back and added a few "a's". I highly doubt the Walkers don't have their own likely respectable motives for what they do. As good ole Jorah said on the tele, "There's good and evil on both sides of every war ever fought."

That may be the case, but as I said... it'd be an optional submod that perhaps could change as we find out more...
 
On another note, was the Night's King a Stark? or is that just in the game?
Unclear. All we know about the Night's King in the books comes from Old Nan's story. She says his name was erased from history, and that while some claim he was one of any of a number of houses, he was actually a Stark, maybe even a Brandon Stark.

Of course, since she's telling this as a ghost story to Bran, it's not clear whether she's right or just scaring him.
 
I don't think they're ever going to do that, since it's impossible to change the map and at those start dates Valyria was still whole and un-Doomed.

Could make them like ruins that can't ever be rebuilt and has attrition like crazy post doom?

If you mean it should be unified, whats the point of that other than aesthetics really? Seems like a minor problem.
 
That's a fact is it? I guess we've been reading different books.
I guess so as it was stated that the only reason why the wall was built was to keep the 'realms of man safe from the others'. The whole prophecy states that the only way for westeros to survive the winter is with the aid of the Azor Ahai.
 
If I were you guys be patient cause there are many ideas for how to implement white walkers and the others but some more canon info would be nice.
 
If I were you guys be patient cause there are many ideas for how to implement white walkers and the others but some more canon info would be nice.

welcome to the forums!

and, yea, some more canon info would be nice. but unfortunately that's really unlikely for a while, unless of course my gut is correct and that he's going to release Winds of Winter in August/October without any pre-release advertising (I feel he's making too big of a fuss over the "I'm working on it" and "It's done when it's done" routines, and if done properly would be a stroke of genius)
 
So yeah, just read this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/

and I really like where its going and it does KIND OF sound like it would work with what GRR Martin is doing.
**BEWARE SPOILERS** (I think)
Give it a read people, what do you think?
Some of it is quite good, other parts not so much. I think the suggestions of marriage arrangements are quite silly. I'd not read that GRRM quote before which backs up my theories on the others. There is another GRRM quote that also has a bearing on this imo. That is the whole thing of seasons, which has also produced many theories. GRRM has said that in the end the question of why the seasons lasting years will be solved and that the answer is magical in essence. I take that to mean that the forces of Ice and Fire are out of balance and once balance is restored seasons will be more like the real world.

I think the whole philosophy behind the story is of opposing forces that need each other. More of a yin yang idea rather than the western good vs evil. The two forces actually balance each other out and are thus complimentary to each other. They need a winter as much as they need a summer, they need ice as much as they do fire. It will take Dany (fire) and Jon (Ice) teaming up to be able to bring about a resolution. Fire has dragons on their side and Ice has the WW they are Yin to their Yang if you like (but will probably end up cancelling each other out).

(Dany will die though before she can take the iron throne. Close but no cigar)

(and that is as long as Jon isn't......y'know....)
 
Some of it is quite good, other parts not so much. I think the suggestions of marriage arrangements are quite silly. I'd not read that GRRM quote before which backs up my theories on the others. There is another GRRM quote that also has a bearing on this imo. That is the whole thing of seasons, which has also produced many theories. GRRM has said that in the end the question of why the seasons lasting years will be solved and that the answer is magical in essence. I take that to mean that the forces of Ice and Fire are out of balance and once balance is restored seasons will be more like the real world.

I think the whole philosophy behind the story is of opposing forces that need each other. More of a yin yang idea rather than the western good vs evil. The two forces actually balance each other out and are thus complimentary to each other. They need a winter as much as they need a summer, they need ice as much as they do fire. It will take Dany (fire) and Jon (Ice) teaming up to be able to bring about a resolution. Fire has dragons on their side and Ice has the WW they are Yin to their Yang if you like (but will probably end up cancelling each other out).

(Dany will die though before she can take the iron throne. Close but no cigar)h

(and that is as long as Jon isn't......y'know....)

I agree with you. Personally I expect the threat of the Others is that they want to throw everything into disarray and make Ice victorious over Fire (dragons/the children). The rule of the Targaryens over the 7 kingdoms could bring about balance, but their incest brought balance because Fire reigned over Ice (here, the Starks). Jon Snow could achieve they balance by uniting the two forces. What this means, I do not know.

By the way, new theory - why did Bowen Marsh do what he did? Or is it Marsh? Or a man with his face?