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"Mr. Ebbesen, you still haven't answered my question, and considering that your rate of conquest has decreased since the beginning, I believe that it is still valid.

Also, I don't appreciate being labelled, incorrectly I might add, a 'dummy'. I think that 'lacking in advanced mental capacities and capabilities' would be more appropriate."
 
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Originally posted by Sharur
"Mr. Ebbesen, you still haven't answered my question, and considering that your rate of conquest has decreased since the beginning, I believe that it is still valid.

It is a very valid question, young Sharur. And the answer to your question will be made explicit for those of limited mental capabilities within the next two lectures with a demonstration. Read the chapter in your lecture notes so quaintly named "overextending your empire: Bad Idea", to be enlightened.


Also, I don't appreciate being labelled, incorrectly I might add, a 'dummy'. I think that 'lacking in advanced mental capacities and capabilities' would be more appropriate."

I will label you 'student' instead. Both of the other labels can thus be deduced at will from the primary label leaving no confusion.

And someone has been reading their lecture notes. I am most amazed. You are right, CesareB and Carligula. Centres of Trade are a very good source of income. 10 points awarded.
 
Read the chapter in your lecture notes so quaintly named "overextending your empire: Bad Idea", to be enlightened.

Uh...teacher. I overextended myself as Byzantium many times and the rest of the world saw fit to flog me into submission. Something about Crusading and Jihad and Confuscius says, "Beat down Byzantium." Cats lived with dogs in PEACE to beat down the lovely purple spreading across the map....it was quite a sad site. What do you suggest?
 
Originally posted by ehrie


Uh...teacher. I overextended myself as Byzantium many times and the rest of the world saw fit to flog me into submission. Something about Crusading and Jihad and Confuscius says, "Beat down Byzantium." Cats lived with dogs in PEACE to beat down the lovely purple spreading across the map....it was quite a sad site. What do you suggest?

1. Stay below dishonourable scum until you are ready.

2. If, by mistake, you are suddenly dishourable scum (these things happen :)), consider releasing a few vassals (that can be diplo-annexed) to temporarily lower your BB.

3. Have a nasty alliance on your side when you finally make your move.

4. Forget landtech to start with. The most important tech is trade3. You can expand enormously at land2.

5. Consider carefully before taking any muslim provinces. The BB incurred could have been used to take something rather cheaper in stability cost. There is no excuse for wasting stability cost by conquering all the muslim core provinces! (Though Alexandria should fall ASAP.)

6. Go catholic. It hurt short-term, it really, truly does. But when the transition is done you can strike preemptively at Hungary and Austria. You don't want to have a large Austria with good leaders on your flank.

7. Notice Siedenbürgen? It's main purpose is to go Protestant, gain Banat, and be your vassal (even if you have to force this) - to contain the only two protestant provinces you will likely encompass in the early game.

8. Giving up core provinces for peace occasionally is not necessarily a bad idea. (Though you shouldn't make it a habit) You shed some BB, gain a CB on whomever managed to hurt you that time, and, most importantly, get peace.

9. You can defeat a strong enemy 10 techlevels ahead of you, if you just keep pouring in the troops. Sooner or later the enemy will be outnumbered and slaughtered. You will take massive casualties though, but that is what your incredible manpower is best used for, after all.

But then, you were playing very hard/furious, I believe, whereas this is only very hard/normal. OTOH starting as Byzantium you are spared the grab Byzantium quick issue and the BB incurred in doing so. I think most of the points above are still valid.
 
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"Eh, Professor?". Norgesvenn's voice was trembling.
"Yes?"
"I was wondering... you know, if you've ever tried world conquest with Spain?" ;)
 
If you'd let the Ottomans conquer Thrace you would already have a CoT.

Sir, do you have any advice on holding together large multi-religious multi-cultural empires? My best effort at WC as the Ak Koyonlu (Most of the expansion under your friend Usum Hasan) was destroyed by continuous revolts (Accompanied by Spain/Aragon having it in for me).
 
Wasa: Well, at least you read the textbook ;)

Norgesvenn: No. I am sure any such attempt would be foiled by the dreaded and fairly incompetent conquest-wise Fangolytes :p

Wulfram: Correct. But I couldn't count on them doing it in time for me to conquer and annex them before 1439, and it would also have caused Smyrna to turn turkish. But had I tried, and had it worked, it would have been a much, much better situation, I admit. Regarding multicultural empires (the following are obvious, I know): Attempt to contain religions of as few of your sliders as possible. Attempt to eliminate minority religion sliders. Be ready to dump a religion completely if the shit hits the fan. Far better to lose a few provinces to defections (if it comes to that) than to see your entire empire go up in flames. (And besides, targeted rebellions may spread to your neighbours, and if you are lucky some of their provinces will end up defecting to you). And, of course, keep stab up :)

I haven't tried playing Ak Koyunlu, so the following is complete guesswork, but I guess your initial expansion was Qara Koyunlu, (Karamon), Astrakhan, Persia, Timurids and Oman with the Mamelukes and the Hedjaz thrown in for sport? And diploannexing some of these following force-vassalisation to keep BB down and reputation up? You didn't take over the Ottoman Empire early, thus gaining a dangerous western border, did you?
 
Well actually I took the Qara Koyonlu down to 1 province and Vassalized them almost immediately, then went after the Mamelukes grabbing Alexandria in the first war, then Vassalizing them in the second.

Usun Hasad then turned up and under his illustrious leadership I grabbed Astrakhan for the CoT, vassalized the Ottomans, took advantage of the troubles in the Timurids to take Isfahan and a few other provinces, grabbed a few provinces from Oman and took the Hedjaz down to 1 province. I diplo-annexed the Ottomans, which made my BB skyrocket (Though it was lots of fun, as the Ottomans were doing well in that game and almost doubled my provinces) Soon after this Usun Hasan got fatally wounded in battle against the Timurids (He got killed off there, then died as Monarch about a month later), signalling the end of my good fortunes.

Then I was stupid enough to take some Venician provinces leaving me with all 4 known religions, which was almost certainly what killed me after waves of revolts. I might of been able to salvage something, but eventually I ran out of money to raise new armies and surrendered

The most annoying thing was that when ever I went to war in the east the damn spaniards declared war, and as I had no fleet worth speaking of I couldn't send in an army to take some of their provinces to "persuade" them to stop landing troops in Alexandria.

All of this happened before I got out of the first decade of the 16th century

Ak Koyonlu have a good start, with a very good starting army and Usun Hasan coming soon, but don't get any more leaders, as well as having a rather nasty event with the Persians
 
Lionheart had been quiet at the back of the class while some of the more vociferous members of class kept asking inane questions. Surely if they had read the textbooks they would be wasting are time with such banality.

But now he had a problem. There was something troubling him with his ownb scenario which was not going as well as he had hoped. Timidly, he raised his hand.

"Sir!", he said. "I've been wondering about those conversions you see. Ever since my portuguese puppets conquered the Ashanti tribe of West Africa, I've noticed that I have to keep stability at +3 to avoid revolt risks and I can never seem to keep stability that high because of all those random events that come along. My problem though is that I never seem to have anything like enough money to send missionaries to these provinces since it all goes on colonisation. Should I leave 6 colonists in the pot while I concentrate on raising the funds to send missionaries to these places?"

"And while I'm asking", he continued. "Can you tell me how I maintain a monopoly in my Tago CoT? Even though my trade tech is much higher than other nations, I rarely keep it for more than a month and then use up all my merchants trying to regain it. Since each merchant is worth about 2D/month for each position they hold, I thought it would be a good way to make easy money but it seems to cost me more than it make"

Lionheart stopped and waited for the rest of the class to burst into fits of hysterics.
 
Storey started snickering at Lionhearts stupid questions when suddenly Professor Ebbesen turned a baleful eye on him pinning him to his seat and asked.

"Well Storey maybe you can answer Lionheart's question. How do you pay for missionaries?"

"Ah I don't know sir."

"How do you get and keep monopolies in Centers of trade?"

"Ah I forget sir."

WHACK

"Ouch"

"Then try listening more and snickering less!"
 
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*returning from the corner to his seat in the last row, G'Kar tries to sit still and lifts his arm*

"Sir, could you provide us with a diplomatically coloured map next session, please?
Just to keep up more easily with your territorial gains on the way to WC." ;)

*starts reading in the textbook, chapter CoTs and monopolies: Money never harms*
 
Stinky Dustman enters the class:

'Heloo, Big Guy, me hear some head crushing disc..u..a..eh, okay, you talk to beat up everyone!!! Me wanna watch! Ignore those bastards who ask questions and show them real big strong hand!' ('Hehe, will see how you'll die!!' bubbling).

Put his huge club on the shoulder and walk to the end of the class. Sit down near Lionheart and start reading in his book. Lionheart wants to say something but notices nice grin of this new fella ;)
 
Installment the third

Money is the root of all conquest

Welcome back, Class.

And that goes for you as well, Wasa. I see you finally managed to turn up on time. We continue where we left off, in 1461. As several of you have noticed, the quickest way to increase our revenue will be to take control of one or several centres of trade. The nearest centres are Astrakhan, but one will need to fight through Ak Koyunlu to reach it, and it is relatively poor, and Alexandria, which is a core province, but currently belongs to the strong Mamelukes. Since Alexandria is so rich it is an obvious first target, but we will need to either fight a long war on land with extended supply lines, or build a larger navy to manage a landing. Either way, we will need a new and much larger army, since Usum Hasan nearly destroyed all our armed forces, and a better one as well. In other words it is time to hunker down and rearm. This means investing in landtech and coining more money, thus causing more inflation but that can't be helped.

Notice how fast the simulation can run when you do nothing but rasing armies, building galleys, and minting coins, well, that and being hit by those nasty random events? We also seem to have a new emperor, Andreas I, who is, to put it mildly, not the brightest puppet ever seen, the old one having croaked during the winter. Let us forthwith choose to adjust our internal policies towards the army, and see, it pays off: We inspire a reformation of the army event. Not that it matters much with the huge costs associated with increasing our landtech, but every bit helps. Like the exceptional year 1473. We just lost 5% inflation! Only 78% to go!

And finally, by 1475, we reach landtech 2. Our mighty navy can transport 20,000 men, so that is what it will do. Our army is 40,000 men, half of whom are cavalry. Splitting the army in two, the first half is transported to just off the coast of Alexandria, and the Mamelukes receive or declaration of war. Please notice how our navy is even now returning for our remaining men, while new armies are being recruited.

Kindly hand over that club, Dustman! While entertaining, your clubbing Lionheart during class will not be tolerated!

But I wanna learn to fight!

WHACK!
GRAB!
SLAM!
CRUNCH!
Ouch...

Sorry I broke your club, Dustman. You can collect a bandage from the campus doctor after class. Incidentally, being shorter suits you well.

Where was I. Right.

I trust you notice how our armies are having real problems with the Mamelukes despite numerical superiority? This, my students, is because of morale. Being Shiite fanatics, the Mameluke armies have, on average, much better morale than our troops. The only solution to that problem at the moment is to overwhelm their forces, preferably while small, and eliminate them before they can gather, or force them to attack our larger armies. That is why I have allocated fully half of our armies to besiege their capital of Egypt. Their eastern armies will have to march through the desert of Sinai and then defeat this large army before engaging our smaller armies besieging their western provinces. This they fail to do, though not for a lack of trying. As the provinces fall I begin sending peace offers. Because muslim provinces are hard to keep stable, I only request Alexandria, which is, of course, their most valuable province. But finally, after three years of war, they cave in. Alexandria is ours.

In the meanwhile news has come in that the Castilans, who were considering proclaiming themselves the kingdom of Spain and claiming the whole of Iberian peninsula, will stick with their old name instead, the tried and true approach.

Notice how our income has risen significantly? Feels good, doesn't it? But that Alexandria centre of trade is rather small. As described in the textbook, most provinces tend to send their trade to a centre belonging to their owner. We could improve the size of our CoT significantly by grabbing a few resourcerich provinces.... And, what would you know, Venice holds on to a number of our core provinces, those being Crete, Corfu, Istria, Croatia, Bosnia and Dalmatia? We have found a use for our surplus armies, I guess, although we will need some time to reposition our forces, and find the right moment to strike - not forgetting to guard Alexandria.

...Such as 1482. Venice has lost most of its holdings in other wars, and is currently at war with France and Austria. This might be the right time for a land grab. You know the drill: Send the mostly cavalry armies purchased at ruinous expense charging over the borders, while landing an army in Crete. The tried and true approach, you know. Our stability takes a hit as we declare war on a fellow catholic nation, but that is to be expected.

Unlike the unhappiness amongst the peasantry of 1485. Of course they revolt in the middle of a war when war exhaustion is already climbing. Yet another striking application of Murphy's law. Fortunately we can coin more money and raise even more troops. We will need them to put down the revolts.

And anyhow, in the fifth year of the war, and with significantly fewer peasants, we have occupied all off Venice save the province of Venice itself, which Austria controls. France has taken Corfu in a peace settlement, but France is much too strong to bother at the moment, so we will have to accept the provinces of Bosnia, Crete, Croatia, Dalmatia, and 300 ducats for peace. That is surely a decent prize considering the expense!

It is time to take the fight to the Mamelukes again. Unfortunately, they have been gaining some very good provinces from defections from the Timurid empire, like Basrah, Awaz, Tabaristan, Fars, and Hormouz, and are allied with Oman, which has been busy conquering the Arabian peninsula, and Baluchistan. Fortunately Persia isn't in the alliance. Perhaps an alliance of our own might be in order? Say, an alliance with Nubia, the orthodox kingdom bordering the Mamelukes? It is amazing what you can do with a few bribes, really.

Isn't it nice to see the Nubian armies whittling down the Mameluke armies while we besiege the defenseless Mameluke provinces? I sure think so. Signing separate peaces with Oman and Baluchistan is quite nice as well. No reason to focus more on this war. I could win it lefthanded.

Stop sniggering, Norgesvenn!

And an unexpected invention gains us a weapons manufactory in December 1489. An unexpected stroke of good fortune. Let us increase our focus on land rather than naval policies yet again. Most of our fighting takes place on land, after all.

And an unexpected invention of a goods manufactory in November 1491 in Bosnia. I won't complain. Instead I will happily watch the last Mameluke provinces falling, well, except for Hormouz. There's just no way to reach that province.

It is now November 1493, and it is time to temper greed with good sense. Remember the sage advice:

Don't conquer something you don't need

Case in point: We can gain a lot of provinces from the Mamelukes, but the muslim provinces just don't pay off, since they are so expensive to pacify. Let sleeping dragons lie, and let them remain until we can afford them longterm. Thus we make peace only taking Aleppo, Lebanon, Cataract, and Syria. While Syria is muslim, it is also one of the best Mameluke provinces, and a grain province at that, increasing our army support limit. It is a hard choice whether to take Syria or not, and if we were in any sort of trouble, I would let it be, but we're not, so...

But we've still got a large army, and I notice that Ak Koyunlu is now in alliance with Astrakhan and the Golden Horde. Astrakhan is a one province minor with a centre of trade. It is just too tempting, really.

And two years later, come spring 1495, the armies are in position, the declaration of war delivered, and our armies are pouring over the border.

And of course the Nobles demand some old rights restored. In the middle of a war. The sensible choice is to accept, though this decentralises power. But decentralisation is not necessarily bad, so long as you keep a firm grip on your scondary puppets amongst the nobles.

Come on! Surely you weren't planning on only controlling the monarch, were you? In that case a freak sheep slide or bathing accident could but a crimp in your plans! Always keep control of a number of secondary puppets you can steer to glory, if necessary!

Anyhow, notice how the weather is pretty bad around here? Notice those 20%+ attrition. The lesson is clear: Fight during the summer. Unfortunately, Sheyhk Ahmad of the Golden Horde seems to have realised that - he's the one with the rather large army that just annihilated the forces besieging Astrakhan and Daghestan.

Fortunately, he is also smart enough to know that, in time, we could have raised overwhelming forces, so he agrees to a white peace, withdrawing from the enemy alliance. Astrakhan and Ak Koyunlu are now defenseless against us.

So the annexation of Astrakhan (1495) and the taking of Tabriz, Kirku, Orenburg, Azerbaijan, Daghestan, Sivas, Nussaybin, and 128 ducats in 1497 from Ak Koyunlu will hardly come as a surprise for you. Except, of course, for asking me, why I disregarded the rule about not conquering poor muslim provinces? The answer to that is simple. Ak Koyunlu had to go because it was too large and too close to my centre of power. This way it can soon be annexed. If we get into real trouble we might have to shed some of the newgained provinces temporarily, but let us see if it works out.

And G'Kar, my observant student. Here's the diplomatic map of the Byzantine Empire and environs at the end of the Ak Koyunlu war. As you can see, catholic Hungary sits on a large number of our core provinces, and is no pushover, allied as it is with Bohemia and Poland. But soon, very soon, we will need to take action. For those provinces are fairly rich, and Kosovo and Serbia cuts our access to Bosnia, Croatia, and Dalmatia.

Ak Koyunlu is humbled, and Astrakhan is our second centre of trade
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Our total economy is growing every year. So is our inflation.

I notice that some of you, I name no names, have been grumbling about all those royal marriages I have been arranging and the occasional handing out of gifts to our catholic neighbours, when we are already strapped for cash. Trust me, it pays to stay on good terms with the mighty of the world until you are ready to take them on, and then out. It truly does. If nothing else it means that their internal stability will plummet if they declare war on your country, it being their good and relatively trustworthy friend, and all, which will make defeating them all the much easier.

The next lesson will be on the dangers of overextending your empire prematurely and how to survive them (hopefully), as well as the consequenses of reputation or the lack thereof.
 
Originally posted by Lionheart

"Sir!", he said. "I've been wondering about those conversions you see. Ever since my portuguese puppets conquered the Ashanti tribe of West Africa, I've noticed that I have to keep stability at +3 to avoid revolt risks and I can never seem to keep stability that high because of all those random events that come along. My problem though is that I never seem to have anything like enough money to send missionaries to these provinces since it all goes on colonisation. Should I leave 6 colonists in the pot while I concentrate on raising the funds to send missionaries to these places?"

Yes. The Ashanti are pagans. What is a few percent of inflation compared to the enormous benefits gained longterm from the conversion? Income increases, stability raising cost falls, troop raising maximum increases, revolt risk falls. Surely a year or two of slacking off on colonisation isn't a disaster.

"Can you tell me how I maintain a monopoly in my Tago CoT? Even though my trade tech is much higher than other nations, I rarely keep it for more than a month and then use up all my merchants trying to regain it. Since each merchant is worth about 2D/month for each position they hold, I thought it would be a good way to make easy money but it seems to cost me more than it make"

I have found only four ways to consistently maintain monopolies.

1) Reduce the number of nations trading in your CoT by embargoing them. This can be done for free if you are at war. So they get a CB on you. So what?

2) Reduce the number of nations trading in your CoT by annexation. Works every time. (And they don't get a CB on you)

3) High merchantilism helps you maintain control of your CoT. Unfortunately you probably have low merchantilism to get extra colonists and merchants.

4) Merchant spamming. Easiest with low merchantilism for more merchants. Spam a few select CoTs. Sometimes the AI decides to leave a CoT mostly alone when the trade war heats up.... And sometimes not.

5) Get rid of previously agreed upon trade agreements for nations involved in the CoTs you want to monopolise. They are crimping your style.

6) Auto-send merchants. The auto-send is pretty good at maintaining already existing monopolies, assuming it gets enough merchants, since it dispatches merchants as soon as needed, which is usually before you would notice. When faced with multiple CoTs to defend and too few merchants, it is awful.
 
In the meanwhile news has come in that the Castilans, who were considering proclaiming themselves the kingdom of Spain and claiming the whole of Iberian peninsula, will stick with their old name instead, the tried and true approach.

Teacher, do you think it was wise to replace the Castilian kings with chimps for this game?
 
*knock, knock*



Come in
"Sorry Sir, Am I late for class?"

Yes, you are! You may look in your textbook at page 94-139 before we continue!!

Yes Sir!

I really ought to slap you in the face! Three times this week!

*Wasa ashamed in front of the class, sits down and read*
 
Dustman returns from the doctor.

"Yeah, proffy, you mean..."

Babbling: "What will he say when see my new shiny axe:mad:"

"Me have big que..eh..tn, yeah... Gonna crush Ragoozah? Little pretty land, good as slave.. err.. vazal?"

Starts eating something terrible.