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Construction queue
  • For the ships under construction it may be good to add a completion percentage, otherwise it may be unclear to the developer what to do exactly. (Especially in the '39 scenario)
    For France, we can add that the first Dunkerque class ship should be practically finished in 1936 (launched October 1935, into service May 1937), while in the game it is barely started.
    For whatever reason (and not one I agree with, this is just what I've heard, and is generally consistent with the start-of-game builds, although I think more inconsistencies were introduced with MtG), the current design only puts ships into the production only after they're launched, so the 20 per cent completion reflections the portion of the time between Oct 1935 and May 1937. I agree it should be more like 69 per cent complete, but to make the OOB's consistent, making this change would require significant changes to pretty much all the OOBs of major naval nations (which is what I did in my pre-MtG naval mod, and fate permitting will again in the distant, darkest future).
    While several people have noted this, we couldn't agree internally on what exactly construction represents IRL.
    We shoul ask the community what's Your opinion? Hopefully this will allow us to reach a consensus.
    Currently it seems to be based on launch date (ships in construction are the ones already launched.)
    However, from being laid down to bein launched a ship consumes resources and worktime. we think this should be represented as under construciton.
    But should it be added when laid down or when ordered?
    A ship in-game can be added to queue without any progress bein made. This could represent a ship that was ordered but not laid down yet.
    And what readiness should it have when launched?

    reference:
    Most ships launched without armament, and often a bunch of other key systems - the time spent fitting out (post-launch, pre-completion) was often as long as the time spent pre-launch.

    Here's a picture of Bismarck launching - the keen eye may spot one or two things missing that would substantially reduce her combat effectiveness :)

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    so please help us to improve the guide, what precentage should the ships under construction have and should ships that were ordered but not laid down be included?
     
    Any suggestions for the last update?
  • To Everyone: please make suggestions you think we should add.

    We'll update our guide in a few days (DD torpedoes, De Ruyter Fire control, L'Espoir name, tech adjustments and perhaps stuff you propose until then).

    But this will probably be the last time. Unfortunately, the devs seem to have no interest to implement this any soon.
     
    Richelieu and Littorio classes
  • Please read the discussion between @Caeric and @balmung60 in the Make France realistic again! Thread.

    Question to all: how to give the Richelieu and Littorio classes BB their historical speed (both are currently too slow):
    - unlock T3 engines for France and Italy in the 1936 scenario.
    - Give both classes BC II armour, (but this would turn them into BC instead of BB that they were)
    - Your own idea?
     
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    NSB focus ships
  • Great THANKS to @Arheo for unlocking this thread again!


    And as intended, here’s what needs to be discussed after the NSB release:

    What do you think about the ships created by the new Soviet focus tree?
    • Sovetsky Soyuz Class SHBB
    • Kronshtadt Class BC
    • Project 71 Class CV
    • Hipper class CA
    • K Class SS
    Here are some thoughts on this:
    • Hipper class is the same as the German version. (same improvements deeded)
    • the K class seem fine?
    • the An Oceangoing Navy focus spawns 3 SHBB. Historically 4 were laid down.
    • Project 71: the name is cringe. Rename it Siberia class?
    Your thoughts?
     
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    Midget subs and new Italian ships
  • The most important goal is to convince the devs (@C0RAX @ManoDeZombi ) that they're making a mistake.

    Italy was not the only nation using midget subs in this time. The RM (Italian navy) didn’t even have the largest number of them!

    At least 2 other tags had midget subs in service by 1936 startdate:
    Both of them build many more and used them during the war.

    2 other major powers have developed and build midget subs:
    Making midget subs a unique Italian tech makes no sense at all.

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    Japanese and German midget subs.

    If you want to make it a DLC feature, you could lock it behind By Blood Alone, but give the other tags an option to get midget subs if BBA is active.


    I guess we should make up a list for the new midget subs as well now for this thread.
    Here, let's hope it's not pointless.

    Japan:
    • should start with midget subs unlocked in both scenarios.
    • Should have a midget sub design: Kō-hyōteki-class
    Japanese Kō-hyōteki-class Midget subs:
    • 1-go (both scenarios)
    • 2-go (both scenarios)
    • 71-go (1939 scenario)
    • HA-1 (under construction, 1939)
    • HA-2 (under construction, 1939)

    USSR:
    • should start with midget subs unlocked in both scenarios.
    • Should have a midget sub design: M-class
    M-class subs:

    Deployment according to uboat.net

    1936 scenario:

    42 in service + 8 in the construction queue (nearly finished)

    Pacific fleet (33 boats):
    • M-1
    • M-2
    • M-3
    • M-4
    • M-5
    • M-6
    • M-7
    • M-8
    • M-9
    • M-10
    • M-11
    • M-12
    • M-13
    • M-14
    • M-15
    • M-16
    • M-17
    • M-18
    • M-19
    • M-20
    • M-21
    • M-22
    • M-23
    • M-24
    • M-25
    • M-26
    • M-27
    • M-28
    • M-53
    • M-82
    • M-84
    • M-85
    • M-86

    Black Sea fleet (2 boats):
    • M-51
    • M-52
    Baltic fleet (7 boats):
    • M-71
    • M-72
    • M-73
    • M-74
    • M-75
    • M-76
    • M-83


    Construction queue (nearly finished) (8 boats):
    • M-54
    • M-55
    • M-56
    • M-77
    • M-78
    • M-79
    • M-80
    • M-81

    1939 scenario:

    58 in service + 19 under construction

    Pacific fleet (35 boats):
    • M-1
    • M-2
    • M-3
    • M-4
    • M-5
    • M-6
    • M-7
    • M-8
    • M-9
    • M-10
    • M-11
    • M-12
    • M-13
    • M-14
    • M-15
    • M-16
    • M-17
    • M-18
    • M-19
    • M-20
    • M-21
    • M-22
    • M-23
    • M-24
    • M-25
    • M-26
    • M-27
    • M-28
    • M-53
    • M-56
    • M-57
    • M-82
    • M-84
    • M-85
    • M-86

    Black Sea fleet (4 boats):
    • M-51
    • M-52
    • M-54
    • M-55

    Baltic fleet (13 boats):
    • M-71
    • M-72
    • M-73
    • M-74
    • M-75
    • M-76
    • M-77
    • M-78
    • M-79
    • M-80
    • M-81
    • M-83
    • M-90

    Northern fleet (6 boats):
    • M-171
    • M-172
    • M-173
    • M-174
    • M-175
    • M-176

    Construction queue (19 boats):
    • M-30
    • M-31
    • M-32
    • M-33
    • M-34
    • M-35
    • M-36
    • M-58
    • M-59
    • M-60
    • M-62
    • M-63
    • M-92
    • M-94
    • M-95
    • M-96
    • M-97
    • M-98
    • M-99


    German Reich:

    The U-Boat Effort focus should unlock the midget sub hull along with the Cruiser sub hull (exactly as the new Italian focus will do)



    UK (help needed!):

    Currently, we have no consensus on what focus could unlock midget subs for the Royal Navy

    • should it be a completely new focus in the naval rearmament sub-branch?
    • one more tech in the existing Secret Weapons focus?
    • not a focus but a special decision?
    let’s ask the Forum community!

    2nd question: what do everyone else think about the other Italian ships shown in the DD? (Cagni class SS, Aquila Class CV, Conte di Savoia class CV, Comandanti Medaglie d'Oro class DD and Costanzo Ciano Class CL? )
    Are they OK as shown or do they need improvements? (consider the already proposed changes to Italian classes:)
    New classes:

    For both scenarios:

    - Giuseppe Miraglia class AV: cruiser hull I. Modules: engine I, light battery I, AA I, fire control, 2x catapult I.

    - Eritrea class SL: cruiser hull I. Modules: engine I, fire control, light battery I, AA I.

    - Sella class DD: light ship hull I. Modules: engine I. fire control. light battery I. AA I. torpedo I. minelaying rails. depth charges.

    - Mirabello/Leone class DD: light ship hull I OR II. Modules: engine I. fire control. 2x light battery I. AA I. torpedo I. Minelaying rails.

    - Freccia/Folgore class DD: light ship hull I. Modules: engine II. fire control. light battery I. AA I. torpedo I. depth charges. Minelaying rails.

    - Spica class TB: light ship hull I. Modules: engine I. fire control. light battery I. AA II. torpedo I. minelaying rails. depth charge

    - Pegaso class TB: light ship hull I. Modules: engine I. fire control. light battery I. AA II. torpedo I. 2x depth charge module.

    - Aquila/Poerio class DD: exactly the same design as the existing Spanish Melilla class and Romanian Marasti Class.

    - Albatros class sub-chaser: light ship hull I. Modules: engine I, light battery I, fire control, 2x depth charges.

    - H class SS: same design as the existing Mameli class.

    - Archimede class SS: same design as the existing Spanish General Mola class.

    - X class SM: Level I hull with torpedo I and minelaying tubes. Obsolete.

    - Bragadin class SM: Level II hull with torpedo I and minelaying tubes.


    Change existing classes:

    - Trento class CA: improve hull I to hull II. improve engine I to engine II. add a torpedo module in the new available slot.

    - Zara class CA: improve hull I to hull II.

    - Bolzano class CA: improve hull I to hull II. improve catapult I to catapult II. add a torpedo module in the new available slot.

    - Giussano class CL: improve hull I to hull II.

    - Montecuccoli class CL: add armor I module.

    - Duca degli Abruzzi class CL: improve armor I to armor II.

    - Curatone class DD: add minelaying rails module. Correct the name to Curtatone class

    - Navigatori class DD: improve hull I to hull II. improve engine I to engine II. improve light battery I to light battery II.

    - Maestrale class DD: improve hull I to hull II. add minelaying rail. Rename it Maestrale/Oriani class

    - Soldati class DD: decrease light battery II to light battery I. increase AA I to AA II. add minelaying rail.

    - Mameli class SS: improve hull I to hull II.

    - Bandiera class SS: improve hull I to hull II. improve fixed torpedo tubes I module to torpedo tubes II. remove the second torpedo tubes I module.

    - Sirena class SS: decrease hull I to hull II.
     
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