CK2 Dev Diary #104 - Forging a Bloodline

[holzkopf3d2]

I think there should also be a bloodline for being filthy stinking rich. Reason being that I'm right now on a Venice campaign, I've got so much cash that, honestly, I don't know where to put it all, and I bloody well want to be remembered for that!

Sorry for not having anything more substantial to add, but all my other questions have already been asked and answered.

 

[AkatsukiEmpire]

Can bastards inherit bloodlines?

 

[stilgarpl]

It doesn't work like Sayyid. Only the main partner passes their bloodline. Not both.

A quote from the dev diary about bloodlines:

To facilitate the merging of several different Bloodlines into one direct line of characters, we’ve made it so that Matrilineal marriages transfer bloodlines that the parents wouldn’t normally be able to transfer - symbolizing that it’s less explicitly about gender, and more about who’s the dominant part in a marriage.

So, as I said - matrilinear marriage. Play as a woman with a bloodline, marry matrilineary a man with another bloodline, your kid gets both.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-85-legacy-of-legends.1102727/

 

[Rituro]

I think there should also be a bloodline for being filthy stinking rich. Reason being that I'm right now on a Venice campaign, I've got so much cash that, honestly, I don't know where to put it all, and I bloody well want to be remembered for that!

Mansa Musa *was* alive during the scope of CK2, so considering his filthy stinking rich-ness, I could see that being a legitimate thing to start a bloodline over.

 

[Serenity84]

Mansa Musa *was* alive during the scope of CK2, so considering his filthy stinking rich-ness, I could see that being a legitimate thing to start a bloodline over.

They have to make him non-random too. I tried him and you can start as an indulgent wastrel with 2 stewardship. He should get midas touched and a high stewardship skill

 

[Griff Lancer]

Would rather the build 10 cities, 10 temples, or 10 castles thing be changed to: Build 20 castles, cities, or temples

The way it is now encourages one ruler to aim for 1 of these as opposed to keeping things balanced

 

[raistlin_wizard]

A quote from the dev diary about bloodlines:



So, as I said - matrilinear marriage. Play as a woman with a bloodline, marry matrilineary a man with another bloodline, your kid gets both.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-85-legacy-of-legends.1102727/

It says that in a matriliear marriage they inherit Patrilineal bloodlines from their mother and Matrilineal ones from their father. If both parents have Patrilineal bloodlines their children should only inherit their mother's. I hope that I'm wrong, but that's how me and some others understand this. It would be good if we could get some clarification form the Devs.

 

[Diekssus]

Since no-one has asked yet, You've mentioned that you can get special buildings from bloodlines. Could you give an example? or at least for which kind of holding (aka, do merchant republiics get something to? )

 

[TheDarkMaster]

It says that in a matriliear marriage they inherit Patrilineal bloodlines from their mother and Matrilineal ones from their father. If both parents have Patrilineal bloodlines their children should only inherit their mother's. I hope that I'm wrong, but that's how me and some others understand this. It would be good if we could get some clarification form the Devs.

That implies some strange rules in the case of non-agnatic realms though. You're going to lose your main bloodline if playing a cognatic or enatic realm.

 

[Ledabot]

There is a bloodline for "a lifetime dedicating herself to her family"

is there bloodlines for every focus?

 

[raistlin_wizard]

That implies some strange rules in the case of non-agnatic realms though. You're going to lose your main bloodline if playing a cognatic or enatic realm.

As long as you always marry your daughters matrilinearly you shouldn't have any problems. It's not like with Sayyid, which a woman won't pass it over no matter what.

 

[Varren]

Seeing as they're adding Mali gold, I'm assuming they're giving some love to Mansa Musa.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

As long as you always marry your daughters matrilinearly you shouldn't have any problems. It's not like with Sayyid, which a woman won't pass it over no matter what.

I mean, let's say you're playing as a woman who founds a bloodline in an enatic realm. What happens to it? Do you need to get the bloodline as a man before reforming your religion in order to keep it?

 

[biochemist]

Awesome

 

[faiuwle]

That implies some strange rules in the case of non-agnatic realms though. You're going to lose your main bloodline if playing a cognatic or enatic realm.

Not necessarily. If you have an agnatic bloodline and play a female character, presumably she is in a matrilineal marriage and will thus pass the agnatic bloodline on to her children.

If you're play an enatic realm it gets weird, since as you will always be in a matrilineal marriage you can only pass agnatic bloodlines onto children, despite the fact that any bloodline you create will probably be enatic. Or maybe they've made it so that matrilineal marriages pass on both kinds of bloodlines from both parents? I hope so, or else the enatic clans doctrine will be crippled.

 

[raistlin_wizard]

Not necessarily. If you have an agnatic bloodline and play a female character, presumably she is in a matrilineal marriage and will thus pass the agnatic bloodline on to her children.

If you're play an enatic realm it gets weird, since as you will always be in a matrilineal marriage you can only pass agnatic bloodlines onto children, despite the fact that any bloodline you create will probably be enatic. Or maybe they've made it so that matrilineal marriages pass on both kinds of bloodlines from both parents? I hope so, or else the enatic clans doctrine will be crippled.

I suppose all bloodlines will be agnatic even as Enatic so you will pass them on normally even with matrlineal marriages.

 

[Ursul]

I think we need a chart of how bloodlines a transmitted @Silfae

 

[Rockphed]

I think we need a chart of how bloodlines a transmitted @Silfae

Agnatic Bloodline: passed to children of men
Enatic Bloodline: passed to children of women
Cognatic bloodline (not used in vanilla): passed to children of either

All bloodlines, regardless of type, are passed to children in matrilineal marriage.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

It's more an issue of how they're started. Rather than calling them agnatic/patrilineal or enatic/matrilineal, I'm going to call them primary (inherited from dynastic parent) and secondary bloodlines (inherited from non-dynastic parent) since it's otherwise rather confusing. If virtually every bloodline that's created in the game, and most of those that pre-exist, are primary bloodlines, including all those founded by female rulers in all realms then there's no real problem. It's all just confusion over the naming scheme.

On the other hand, if currently any bloodline started by a woman is a secondary bloodline, then there's a problem. Especially since she most likely won't be able to pass on that bloodline as all her children are likely to be of her dynasty. That is, unless she was a landed ruler in a regular marriage which would soon lead to a game over unless the realm is elective or seniority. This would be a serious annoyance in cognatic realms if there's a 50% chance you can't make a lasting bloodline and outright gamebreaking in enatic realms.

Honestly, I'm not really sure there's much point in allowing women to found secondary bloodlines. The best scenario for such a thing happening is during a queen-regency, not while the woman herself is a ruler, or in an Isabella of Spain situation where the parents are unifying two kingdoms. Unfortunately the game doesn't really support mechanical situations to make such bloodline founding situations interesting or likely. In most circumstances the founding parent is almost certain to be the dynastic parent.

The only other situation I can see it being sensible to have separate primary and secondary bloodlines is if it takes the succession law into account. So in agnatic/agnatic-cognatic realms women found secondary bloodlines. In enatic/enatic-cognatic realms men found secondary bloodlines. Finally in cognatic realms, no one founds secondary bloodlines.

 

[raistlin_wizard]

Agnatic Bloodline: passed to children of men
Enatic Bloodline: passed to children of women
Cognatic bloodline (not used in vanilla): passed to children of either

All bloodlines, regardless of type, are passed to children in matrilineal marriage.

That's not what I understand from the screenshot I posted on this page.