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CK2 Dev Diary #84 - Renovating Russia

Greetings!

Today we’re going back into the cartographer’s office to view the latest maps of the vast lands that lie just before the eternal steppes, where the Volga flows - the land of the proud Rus’. The Russian lands have always felt rather underdeveloped in CK2 compared to their size, even very important sites such as Kiev or Novgorod have been occupied by massive Counties that hardly give the area justice. As the area is one which lies in between the lords of feudal western europe, the Roman remnants in Byzantium and the relentless nomads of the steppes we thought it much too interesting to not develop further.

As Russia is quite big, we’ve broken the images up into three parts. These pictures are all from the year 769, so if something isn’t named as you expect it to be (i.e. Novgorod being named Ilmen) that’s the reason why.

Starting off with the north:
RussiaDD_North.png

As you can see, the definition has increased rather significantly. Historicity has also been improved, as the new borders are all based on sources from between the years ~600 to ~1300 (From proto-slavic tribes migrating in the area to the dissolution of the Kievan Rus' by internal strife and the Mongol hordes) with a focus on the 700-1100 timespan.

Now the south:
RussiaDD_South.png

Of primary note is that Kiev is now split up, and no longer one single humongous County. Those of you with sharp eyes might also notice that there is a new nomadic nation up by Radimichia and Severia - the Burtas clan, which is Turkic.

And as a bonus, Wallachia:
RussiaDD_Wallachia.png

As Bessarabia was so interconnected with the Kievan and Crimean lands, it felt right to also give the kingdom of Wallachia a facelift.

And now for the De Jure maps, as they have been requested in every previous map Dev Diary so far!

Duchies:
RussiaDD_769DeJureDuchies.png


Kingdoms:
RussiaDD_769DeJureKingdoms.png


You may notice that the old Rus’ kingdom is gone, replaced with the much more historical kingdoms of Novgorod and Vladimir. There are also several new smaller kingdoms, such as Galicia-Volhynia and Chernigov which both provide new opportunities and new risks, depending on if you’re playing in the Tribal era or Feudal era.

Empires:
RussiaDD_769DeJureEmpires.png

There was no doubt that the Tartarian empire was too big, that’s why when we had to add to it (the Kingdom of Perm is now part of it instead of Russia) we felt the need to break it up. In the south you can now see an empire of the Pontic Steppe - closely representing the Khazarian sphere of influence at its height.

Here’s a screenshot of how the 867 setup will look:
RussiaDD_867.png

And here’s 1066:
RussiaDD_1066.png

The major thing in this date is that after Yaroslav the Wise's death in 1054, his land in the Kievan Rus was divided between his 5 sons. Internal strife erupted quickly after between the sons and other relatives (like the prince of Polotsk), hurting the stability of the state.

That's why although the Kievan Rus' still existed as somewhat centralized around the Grand Prince of Kiev, at least for a while, unity wasn't the key word to describe the state. We've reflected that by keeping the different duchies independent but still tributaries to Kiev - until civil war starts again when brothers, sons, and cousins start pushing for their claims...

Changelog:
Code:
- Map Update to Russia
   - Major overhaul of the whole russian sphere
    - All major & minor rivers reshaped
    - e_russia is now created through 5 kingdoms (Ruthenia, Novgorod, Vladimir, Chernigov & Galicia-Volhynia)
    - 3 new kingdoms : Vladimir, Chernigov, Galicia-Volhynia
    - k_rus renamed from "Rus" to "Novgorod"
    - 4 new duchies (Cherven Cities, Karachev, Novosil, Murom)
    - 37 new provinces added to the general area
    - A few titular russian-tribes-themed duchies added for earlier startdates

Note that from now on, CK2 Dev Diaries will take place on Fridays rather than Mondays!
 
Can't you read the actual article as well though?
And again that is a far larger area centered outside of the region you want to name scythia. And also classical, the classical era has been over for millenia at this point. The classic period is the period before Alexander. In fact that definition undershoots how powerful the Scythians was back then, they raided China and dominated the central asian steppe. they were the proto huns and the proto mongols (I know they were not in any way related to either of these peoples I mean they filled the same geopolitical role).

Hi guys! What about changing name of "Pontic Steppe" to Sarmatia and adding new achievment for creating Empire of Sarmatia as Pole? :p
What would that be a reference too?
 
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Thank you for all of these changes and the dedication you have put into the map, I really enjoy seeing all of these improvements! :)
 
I'm also pretty happy with the changes to Wallachia.
 
But Rus is just an endonym for Ruthenia. It makes as little sense as the kingdom of Italy and the empire of Italia.

edit: On second thought and after some further research, I'm all for renaming Ruthenia to Kiev but I think Rus(s)ia is fine as it is as it was a Latin equivalent of Rus, next to Rut(h)enia, which is more commonly used to refer to the geographical region where Rus was located.
- eh? Rus is what it was called by its inhabitants and considering that that part of world was never part of latin sphere, it would not make any sense to use latin exonym for its name. And Russia aka greek Rossia is just anachronistic. For parts of former Roman empire were latin was traditionally used it makes sense to use "latinized" names, for parts that were not - no, unless here are no appropriate local name. So for example using Sarmatia or Scythia for Pontic Steppe would be definitely better.
 
My only gripe is that I'd love to see a non brown colour for the Crimean region.


Kiev.
Nope, no plan to make Moscow a capital so far. If I remember correctly, the DeJure capitale for k_vladimir was Vladimir. Which sounds obvious said like that, but there were a few capital-worthy cities to chose from. Basically Moskva became important a bit too late compared to our available bookmarks for to do something special with it.
Can we have a formable titular Muscovy kingdom to set things up for EU4 if we want?
 
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I really like the colors of new Russian kingdoms. Could you, maybe, please adjust the Russian Empire's color in that direction as well, so it would be more lively?

Or, ideally, can you please please please think about a simple in-game title customizer (like the "barber" window)? Ideally, for both colors and CoAs but colors alone would be the most welcome addition.
 
Kievan Rus will be an alternate name for the kingdom of Ruthenia under certain conditions, not an additional title. I don't remember if it's going to be only culture related, but yeah, if you're for example Nahua (best culture from best DLC) it'll just be called "Ruthenia"
- this kinda breaks capital city - principality name policy. Not to mention that the only Rex Ruthenia prince was from Galich-Volyn and not from Kiev.o_O And unless you are going to attach - ...Rus to all other russian principalitys, that name kinda doesnt make sense because its just historiographic term that refers to a very narrow time period.
 
Next to Africa please! Because I really feel like that region has been cheated more than any other. Mali had an absolutely stunning history, and in general the Nubia-Ethiopia region needs fixing (Beja and their own religion, please!)
 
What will be name of Chervin Cities duchy in later start dates?
Cherven Cities was never a duchy. We do not even know where they were. We only know that they existed. We do not even know names of cities ;) These borders are just speculations. Such a name would be completely anachronistic in a later period. "Cherven Cities" name appear only in earlier times.

Kiev now uses ukrainian coat of arms. I don't know why...

 
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- eh? Rus is what it was called by its inhabitants and considering that that part of world was never part of latin sphere, it would not make any sense to use latin exonym for its name. And Russia aka greek Rossia is just anachronistic. For parts of former Roman empire were latin was traditionally used it makes sense to use "latinized" names, for parts that were not - no, unless here are no appropriate local name.
It's really just lesser princedoms (Kiev, Turov, Smolensk, Pereyaslavl, Polotsk) united.
The real reason this Ruthenia kingdom exists is devs' failure to properly divide Rus into de jure kingdoms;)
In real Kievan Rus (most of it), the only "de jure" was the nominal primacy of Kiev.
Also, the old de jure kingdoms of Novgorod (Rus) and Kiev (Ruthenia) were better, I think.
Odessa? What? Isn't this name from Ekaterina II times?
It also must have Jewish/Ashkenazi culture:D
 
You know pontic steppe kind of works if you make it a short name, why does every empire have to be Empire of X or X empire. Why not just the Pontic steppe. We know it's an empire tier title without it always containing the word empire. Empire of the pontic steppe is a mouthful but just Pontic Steppe could work. Just saying. Better than dragging up empires that have been gone for a thousand years.
 
On Fridays? Noooo... it should have been Tuesday (and EU4 on Wednesday and HoI4 on Thursday and Stellaris on Friday... so we could have it all nice and chronological :'( )

But then where would Imperator go? Sunday?
 
He's saying that we move the current schedule back one day (so Ck2 on tuesday) and place imperator on monday

Then Stellaris would be Saturday, would it not? Imp-Mon, CK2-Tues, EU4-Wed, HOI4-Thurs...oh. I miscounted how many games there were; for some reason I had six in my mind to spread across five days which would mean 1:1 pairing would not work.

Ignore me, for I am foolish.