EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

[Melvasul]

Would you consider removing the Atlantic isles in the Iberian region from it?
It's seems a bit unrealistic to have to conquer them if you want to recreate the Roman Empire.

 

[Metz]

Would you consider removing the Atlantic isles in the Iberian region from it?
It's seems a bit unrealistic to have to conquer them if you want to recreate the Roman Empire.

They can be excluded from the requirements just like Venice is for retaining the Shadow Kingdom as Austria.

 

[Kuantum]

Aveiro? Do you do any research at all?

 

[Metz]

How will troop limits change now that a lot of provinces are being given to different countries?

You will have army sizes that were unrealistic for their timeframe.

The Spanish army in the 1470's was around 20k in size.

Maybe the game an offer to recruit battalion size (300) and regiment size (1,000) after a certain military tech level. This could help artillery units be confined to a more realistic size. Battalion's could be upgraded as well to a regiment (with a name change included).

 

[Live Fast Die Young]

I'm going to make a final defense of Segovia, a third province in the area of Extremadura (Caceres, Badajoz and / or Merida / Plasencia) and Guadalajara.

I solemnly swear that it will be the last and I will go on to reminders of ideas, missions and other various stories. I do not want to be heavy.

Segovia:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexoatrimonio_de_la_Humanidad_en_Europa_y_América_del_Norte#España_España

It is a heritage city of the world, like: Toledo, Cordoba, Granada, Santiago de Compostela (not A Coruña or La Coruña, which in short, you should change the name), Avila, Cuenca, Caceres, Alcala (Madrid) and Salamanca.
All of them not for a building or two or three, but for its historical center.

I'm going to play hard: Historical centers heritage sites in Italy: Naples, Siena, Florence, Urbino, Verona, Venice, Genoa and Rome.

I just need, Segovia.

In addition one of the most populated cities of Spain in 1500

http://exponente1.blogspot.com/2016/08/las-20-ciudades-mas-pobladas-del.html

In addition one of the most populated provinces between 1450-1600 (page 400 onwards) https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf And it stayed well, it was not so bad in 1800.

Finally between 1500-1600 it was one of the most important cities in Europe: https://books.google.com/books?id=X...=0ahUKEwjV4pTrldvOAhWFyRoKHfiMB54Q6AEIITAA#v= onepage & q = Fell% 20to% 20Spain% 20and% 20was% 20treated% 20harshly & f = false

I keep playing hard, on page 27, in 1500 in the British Isles appear London and Edinburgh. And in Spain, there are 14 cities, including Segovia or Valladolid or Salamanca.

On page 28, in 1600, Dublin is added to the islands. And Segovia continues to appear.

Did they have their importance, are they world heritage, did they appear on the maps of the most important cities in Europe: Xativa, Calatayud, Tarragona, la Rioja, Alicante, Ibiza and so many provinces in Europe?

I do not think so

Segovia, province and historic city of Castilla and Spain. Heritage of humanity. Great demographic and economic weight between 1450-1600. In 1600 the city had 44,000 inhabitants, 2/3 of Barcelona.

I'll continue when I can with Merida and Guadalajara.

Postscript: Yes, he went to hell like Avila and like many provinces in Castilla. That is why you can put a mountain that limits its development, as with Avila.

Basically what the devs could do is make Madrid bigger, then divide it in 3: Segovia, Guadalajara in the north and Madrid in the south. I think that would be very nice. All three provinces are very important. More important than Gibraltar anyway

 

[tommassi]

No, Gibraltar is far more important for gameplay than Segovia or Guadalajara.

 

[Live Fast Die Young]

No, Gibraltar is far more important for gameplay than Segovia or Guadalajara.

No.
If the problem is having too many provinces then combine Gibraltar with Cadiz and add Segovia or Guadalajara

 

[tommassi]

No.
If the problem is having too many provinces then combine Gibraltar with Cadiz and add Segovia or Guadalajara

And then you would give the whole of Cádiz to UK in gamestarts after 1713? I definitely wouldn't.

 

[Live Fast Die Young]

And then you would give the whole of Cádiz to UK in gamestarts after 1713? I definitely wouldn't.

That's true

 

[tommassi]

From the looks of it, devs seem set on 28 provinces for Castile at gamestart in 1444, plus 4 for Grenade. Quite frankly, the number seems quite fair to me. So, if you want a province added, you need a province taken away. You want Segovia or Guadalajara included? Ten you need to decide what other province you want excluded. Palencia, Avila, Cuenca?

I'd be hapy with Avila and Segovia being just one province, but that province should be north of Madrid, not west, and at least hills to act as some sort of defensive line between Valladolid and Madrid. Same goes for Guadalajara and Cuenca: east of Madrid and hilly.

Name of the province? Irrelevant. Whatever name they include, you can change if you wish.

 

[omar44]

Would you consider removing the Atlantic isles in the Iberian region from it?
It's seems a bit unrealistic to have to conquer them if you want to recreate the Roman Empire.

Don't forget Madeira and the Azores.

 

[Live Fast Die Young]

From the looks of it, devs seem set on 28 provinces for Castile at gamestart in 1444, plus 4 for Grenade. Quite frankly, the number seems quite fair to me. So, if you want a province added, you need a province taken away. You want Segovia or Guadalajara included? Ten you need to decide what other province you want excluded. Palencia, Avila, Cuenca?

I'd be hapy with Avila and Segovia being just one province, but that province should be north of Madrid, not west, and at least hills to act as some sort of defensive line between Valladolid and Madrid. Same goes for Guadalajara and Cuenca: east of Madrid and hilly.

Name of the province? Irrelevant. Whatever name they include, you can change if you wish.

"Irrelevant" again. Everything seems irrelevant to you. I don't think it's irrelevant. Details are important to many of us.
Nothing is set until it is. Just like with the first version of the updated map, things changed. Things can change again until the release it. I don't see why it should be 28 provinces and not 29 or 30 if those provinces were relevant throughout history and yeah this is a game but it's a historical game and it would be a shame if Segovia or Guadalajara are left out while having Gibraltar whose only purpose (it seems) is being able to choose a specific start. Or other provinces for that matter.

Not that I think the map we have now is not good, actually I can't wait to play it even if they leave it like that. But if we are still giving ideas to the developers that's what I'm doing. And this is not the first time that you put words in the mouth of developers just for rejecting my ideas. They didn´t say here that Castille should only have 28 provinces only you said that.

 

[tommassi]

"Irrelevant" again. Everything seems irrelevant to you. I don't think it's irrelevant. Details are important to many of us.
Nothing is set until it is. Just like with the first version of the updated map, things changed. Things can change again until the release it. I don't see why it should be 28 provinces and not 29 or 30 if those provinces were relevant throughout history and yeah this is a game but it's a historical game and it would be a shame if Segovia or Guadalajara are left out

The name of a province that you can change as easily as double clicking on the name in game is pretty much the definition of irrelevant. No modding skills needed. Outside of big mistakes such as placing Lérida in Aragón, I don't think this warrants much discussion.

The number of provinces, on the other hand, is way more relevant. Given that you can develop provinces in order for them to provide more money, manpower and trade, and that the cost of such development is incremental, starting with (inventing numbers here) 500 development in 25 provinces is actually worse than starting with that very same 500 development in 50 provinces. The amount of MPs you need to use to reach 1.000 development is significantly reduced in the second case. Also, the number of provinces is not set in a vacuum: you need to compare it to other neighbouring countries and keep a balance.

And last but not least, there are performance issues. The more provinces in the game, the slower it will run as the game advances.

With all this in mind: if the devs have decided that it will be 28+4 for Castile and Grenade, they must have pretty good reasons for it. It might be that they add one here or there, but don't count on it.

To summarise: you can insist however much you want in them including as many provinces as you want. But I'd say you'd have better chances of success if you suggested how those 28+4 provinces are distributed in the map, and what are the reasons behind it.

 

[Live Fast Die Young]

The name of a province that you can change as easily as double clicking on the name in game is pretty much the definition of irrelevant. No modding skills needed. Outside of big mistakes such as placing Lérida in Aragón, I don't think this warrants much discussion.

The number of provinces, on the other hand, is way more relevant. Given that you can develop provinces in order for them to provide more money, manpower and trade, and that the cost of such development is incremental, starting with (inventing numbers here) 500 development in 25 provinces is actually worse than starting with that very same 500 development in 50 provinces. The amount of MPs you need to use to reach 1.000 development is significantly reduced in the second case. Also, the number of provinces is not set in a vacuum: you need to compare it to other neighbouring countries and keep a balance.

And last but not least, there are performance issues. The more provinces in the game, the slower it will run as the game advances.

With all this in mind: if the devs have decided that it will be 28+4 for Castile and Grenade, they must have pretty good reasons for it. It might be that they add one here or there, but don't count on it.

To summarise: you can insist however much you want in them including as many provinces as you want. But I'd say you'd have better chances of success if you suggested how those 28+4 provinces are distributed in the map, and what are the reasons behind it.

I'm flattered that you worry about my success so much but please stop worrying. I'm not here to "succeed" and see my ideas implemented in the game. I'm just saying what I'd like to see as a player.
We all played EU4 and know how the development works. Please, there are ways to add 1 or 2 provinces while keeping a balance and you know it. You can suggest your ideas for provinces distribution if that what makes you tick. Let others suggest their ideas without replying "what the developers want is..." instead stop acting like a Guardia Civil of the forum and just say what is what you want thanks. Then the developers will decide and do what they want

Regards

Edit: About the provinces number. It has already been talked about in this forum. The province number of Castille is inferior than it should be if we look at other european countries

 

[eonden]

I just ask not to delete the Asturias tag you guys have worked so hard to create. I need that "Pelayo's Dream" or "Reconquest as it should have happened" achivement by having all of Hispania under that tag.

 

[tommassi]

Edit: About the provinces number. It has already been talked about in this forum. The province number of Castille is inferior than it should be if we look at neighboring countries

I couldn´t disagree more. With this update, it's 28 at game start, plus 4 from Grenade that you should conquer within the first decade, plus 16 from Aragon with the Iberian wedding for free in 99% of the games within the first three decades. That's 48 provinces doing pretty much nothing to begin with. If you include Portugal, which is also an extremely easy conquest as Castile, you´re getting close to 60.

And that is not counting the Aragonese provinces in Italy and the potential Burgundian Inheritance, mind you. Purely Iberian region provinces.

 

[Naranjito]

From the looks of it, devs seem set on 28 provinces for Castile at gamestart in 1444, plus 4 for Grenade. Quite frankly, the number seems quite fair to me. So, if you want a province added, you need a province taken away. You want Segovia or Guadalajara included? Ten you need to decide what other province you want excluded. Palencia, Avila, Cuenca?

I'd be hapy with Avila and Segovia being just one province, but that province should be north of Madrid, not west, and at least hills to act as some sort of defensive line between Valladolid and Madrid. Same goes for Guadalajara and Cuenca: east of Madrid and hilly.

Name of the province? Irrelevant. Whatever name they include, you can change if you wish.

Obviously you can eliminate Xativa, Tarragona, Calatayud, La Rioja or two the Balearic Islands

I do not understand the reason for so much love for Aragon and so little for Castilla.

I have always thought that is the result of ignorance, everyone knows Catalonia or Ibiza and even Valencia (although less than Catalonia) and nothing of Valladolid, Medina del Campo, Segovia, Avila ...

And that they have fixed the subject enough. But there was no reason to consider Castile as the poorest and most delayed when between 1450-1600 it was the most developed.

And in 1800, it had 4 times the population of the Crown of Aragon. That is, proportional to its territory.

But hey, I promised not to protest anymore, it's a testimony to you, and I'll go up Guadalajara and Merida.

 

[navaluiki]

I'm flattered that you worry about my success so much but please stop worrying. I'm not here to "succeed" and see my ideas implemented in the game. I'm just saying what I'd like to see as a player.
We all played EU4 and know how the development works. Please, there are ways to add 1 or 2 provinces while keeping a balance and you know it. You can suggest your ideas for provinces distribution if that what makes you tick. Let others suggest their ideas without replying "what the developers want is..." instead stop acting like a Guardia Civil of the forum and just say what is what you want thanks. Then the developers will decide and do what they want

Regards

Edit: About the provinces number. It has already been talked about in this forum. The province number of Castille is inferior than it should be if we look at neighboring countries

The number of provinces in Iberia, although is good to see that has been increased, is still a bit low. IMO Portugal and Castille need a few more provinces. When I compare the size of their provinces to France (which by the way could have a couple more southern provinces) and specially the British Isles, I can't stop thinking that this is not right. How is possible Ireland have more provinces than Portugal and half as many as Castille?

 

[tommassi]

Obviously you can eliminate Xativa, Tarragona, Calatayud, La Rioja or two the Balearic Islands

I do not understand the reason for so much love for Aragon and so little for Castilla.

Not sure if serious here. Including Grenade, Castille with this update will have double the provinces of Aragón in the Iberia region. 32 to 16. Many of them also with higher development than the Aragonese ones (as it should be). I also don´t really know what eliminating Rioja would do to solve your apparent issues with how few provinces Castile has given that it's a Castilian province.

 

[Naranjito]

Not sure if serious here. Including Grenade, Castille with this update will have double the provinces of Aragón in the Iberia region. 32 to 16. Many of them also with higher development than the Aragonese ones (as it should be). I also don´t really know what eliminating Rioja would do to solve your apparent issues with how few provinces Castile has given that it's a Castilian province.

1500:

Corona de Castilla: 6 million inhabitants and 400,000 km2

Corona de Aragon (Spain only): 1 million and 100,000 km2

In 1800, it was balanced. 4 times more population

Is it really so tragic that Castile has more than twice as many provinces as Aragon?

And I put La Rioja because it was not very important, if you have to eliminate some Castilian, because she enters, because Gibraltar can not. But come on, we would have to eliminate some of Aragon.