Europa Universalis IV - Development Diary 4th of April 2023 - Achievements

[Skyfus]

> Dont worry achievement hunters we still <3 you
Could you share those sentiments with the vic 3 team?

Also, great job on the anime references, but now I have to go read through many dev diaries to find out how Russia can be christian and eastern/dharmic faith at the same time.

 

[Marquoz]

Since the expansion hasn't released yet, I have faint hopes that some of these achievements can be tweaked before it goes on sale. In that spirit, here's my breakdown of this set:

--From Frankfurt to the Andes: Starting as Frankfurt, form Jerusalem, and then form the Inca while owning Mallorca.

This has nothing to do with the content of the Domination expansion and, in addition, requires extremely unnatural play. Others have suggested tying it to France, and I agree. How about "Starting as Frankfurt, form France and complete (some new mission) from its tree" instead.

--Mehmet's Ambition: Starting as The Ottomans, own or have Core Eyalets own all the provinces required to form the Roman Empire before 1500.

Oh joy. It's "True Heir of Timur" all over again. I honestly don't see how to complete this much blobbing so fast without using save-scumming and extremely distasteful exploits (which I won't describe here). At the very least, extend the date to 1550.

--Triple the Rome: As Russia, be the Emperor of China and the HRE.

Another achievement that requires a great deal of blobbing as well as at least two odd religion flips. I get that some players are enamored of tag and religion flipping, but this doesn't really tie into Domination well. A better achievement would be "Starting as Muscovy, complete the Russian mission tree."

--No Country for Old Tercios: As Spain have Reformed Tercios, 33 Tercio Units, and control 3 Great Power capitals at the same time.

This one is fine.

--All Blue: As Portugal, all Europe is owned by you or blue European countries that exist in 1444.

Once again, this is a mission that requires a very large amount of blobbing. One or two of those per patch make sense, but there are far too many this time. Runs that are near world conquests get tedious for many players, myself included.

--Stardust Crusaders: As Japan have the Land of the Christian Sun reform while Palestine and Cairo are Christian.

Since you're going to have to be the one to Christianize Palestine and Cairo, this too requires a lot of blobbing. Alternatives would be nice.

--Copium Wars: Starting and playing as Ming, own the Britain region.

Yet another near-WC. See all the previous comments.

--Brentry: Starting as England, form the Angevin Kingdom and enact all the Acts of Crown parliamentary issues.

This one I actually like.

--The Reapers: Starting as Aragon, be a Peasant Republic and have Madrid and Paris owned by any Peasant Republic.

Also reasonable.

My overall reaction: ugh. This set is going to be a chore to complete instead of fun. Lions of the North had a more diverse and balanced set of achievements.

 

[grotaclas]

Also, great job on the anime references, but now I have to go read through many dev diaries to find out how Russia can be christian and eastern/dharmic faith at the same time.

It can't. You either become the emperor of the HRE first as a christian and then pass Erbkaisertum which allows you to keep your title after converting or you first become eastern/pagan to get the mandate of heaven CB(dharmic doesn't help) and then get the mandate or at least start the war for it and then convert to a christian religion which is eligible to become emperor of the HRE. You can stay emperor of China with whichever religion and being emperor of china doesn't make you ineligible to become emperor of the HRE

 

[Redwolf915]

I hate most of these. Tsar of all slavs still isn't an achievement after all these years either.

 

[Nieldun]

I hate most of these. Tsar of all slavs still isn't an achievement after all these years either.

Actually that would be a great one for this update with the new pan-Slavic culture group

 

[ChrisOhm]

I am a big fan of EU4 but I am so disappointed after reading the list of new achievements! Most of them require such a large amount of blobbing which does not make really fun. They are made for min/max-players who have time to play all day long EU4 for many days but not for normal players. They do not encourage the player to explore new features and require a very immerson-breaking way of playing, e.g. Portuguese-super-blob in Europe while real Portugal stayed quite peaceful in European teritorries compared to other kingdoms or this totally crazy Frankfurt run which is just unfun. Players are encouraged to make some disgusting religion and tag switches instead of rewarding playing the new mission trees and content of the DLC. The new achievements in my eyes emphasize the wrong parts of the game and are balanced in a very strange way: The hardest achievements should always be doable for average players who try a bit harder than normal (and no necessary use of exploits, savescum or dependency of rng) . Pro players can do better anyway in all situations - that's nothing which is somehow rewardable. Achievements can and some should be hard but they should always make the player to play the game not work the game! I am very concerned that PDX Tinto lost somehow connection towards there main player and target group - not a good sign for quality of future works.
I'm a player who take a lot of motivation from playing towards achievements (284 of 345) and I have to admit that I own some which require a playstyle I don't like (e.g. world conquer, one faith, true timur) but the list of today is already demotivating myself to play the game to be honest.

 

[Korsjan Rīkis]

More achievements that encourage blobbing and meme runs, while for tall players, Expand Infrastructure gets nerfed (-25 dev cost to -15 dev cost). Nice...

 

[Doomfarer]

I'll join the super disappointed crowd. Come on, you can do better than this.

 

[Nabroleon2022]

Can anyone explain to me what ist the name "bentry" Meaning? I dont get it

 

[Arch Drake]

I'm not sure how hard it is for you to implement achievements but if it would still be possible then I have a few ideas for achievements that I would love to see. I think they would play well with the dlc and be more easily appreciated by a larger portion of the eu4 player base than some of the currently posted ones.

Land of the setting sun:
As Japan own all of North America, South America, Greenland, and Iceland but no provinces in Europe

Emperor of Mankind:
As any country own the whole world, have 100% Militarization, and be Catholic

One Emperor to rule them all:
As emperor of China have all surviving nations as tributaries

Celestial Knowledge:
As emperor of China, share knowledge with a European nation

The great EU:
All provinces in Europe are owned by one nation, have one religion, and have one culture

Westernization:
As Byzantium own no provinces outside of Italy, France, or Spain

 

[ChrisOhm]

Can anyone explain to me what ist the name "bentry" Meaning? I dont get it

Brentry is, as far as I understand, the opposite of Brexit. ... So it's a meme to modern politics

 

[ancapailldorcha]

I was eagerly awaiting these. Disappointing to see so many anime references.

 

[Hiram_Maxim]

What a bunch of coal achievements, underdelivering in both quality and quantity.

 

[ancapailldorcha]

I have one, albeit a stupid one.

Donegal Catch: Starting as Tyrconnell, become the leading producer of fish.

 

[Albino_M3xican]

I got to at least try so here's me trying to get Charles the Fifth or Carlos the Fifth Leader event for Spain or Austria. But really it should be Spain.

 

[Hermerico]

I'm wondering which countries are blue for the purpose of Portugal's achievement. France is blue so that is a big help, but other than that, I believe that only Sweden is blue, am I right? Prussia doesn't count since it doesn't exist in 1444

Why should it not count?

 

[Marquoz]

Because it doesn't exist in 1444. The text of the achievement states "As Portugal, all Europe is owned by you or blue European countries that exist in 1444."

 

[Nabroleon2022]

I got to at least try so here's me trying to get Charles the Fifth or Carlos the Fifth Leader event for Spain or Austria. But really it should be Spain.

Charles the fifth was burgundian not spanish

 

[Blizzrd33]

Very disappointing list of achievements. Like the Ottomans and Angevin ones but the rest are not doing much for my interest in this expansion.

Achievements should be challenging but to varying degrees. There are a lot of conquer a huge amount of land achievements that don't have much creativity beyond a meme title.

 

[Astalanian]

After a good night of sleep, i realised that i have more to say. And i'm frustrated, because it looks like Paradox Tinto lost track of things. This list of achievements starts with an incredibly hard one, and something like a private joke, a reference for you guys. We love you, you're doing great work and we are encline to allow the fun if it weren't that difficult. Nobody cares about that reference. This is terrible. You have to undesrtand that for most of the experienced players, achievements are a way to put a goal on a campaign. And right now, at this very minute, before the new batch, there is a LOT of achievements, and that's just the beginning, a lot of those achievements require a knowledge of the game, some skill and veterancy that are beyond most of the users and don't forget it, it requires time, so much time. I'll use myself as an exemple, i've played the game for more than four thousand hours, i have 322 achievements so 93% of them. I have left on the list something like : "The third way" and "An unlikely candidate". You can do both as Mzab. And to be honnest, i'm quite certain they will become harder because of the upgrade for Spain, Portugal and Ottomans. And i'm sure i'll hate this run, because it'll need like fifty restarts and a prayer to the Rngod to be on the right tracks, and something like a hundred hours. And there's a lot of horrible achievements like that, i've done them, i didn't enjoy most of them. You don't have to make more of them, we already have ways to burn our time with incredibly hard runs. Not a lot of players have as much time as i do to play this game, and if they have some, i'm sure they'll prefer to use it on an Ottoman run rather than on an Hisn Kayfa one. With this extension, i've said it, you have the opportunity to make good achievements focused on the most loved and played nations. You can make us play our favourite nations till 1821 with pleasure and a smile on our faces. You decided to make something called "Victorian three" wich requires to play an absolutely uninteresting, no mission tree, nobody gives a damn nation to tech 32, but won't make an achievement to finish the French mission tree ? Seriously ? I've read all the comments, everybody seems disappointed. Why achievements must absolutely be difficult ? Final thing, nine achievements. That's very low, you have everything wrong, you could have made fifty achievements, as long as they were focused on big nations, and with a reachable goal, everybody would have loved it. Those achievements would have given us purpose and an excuse to play the big ones, because that's everybody's guilty pleasure. Right now you have failed us. Can you please rectify the shot before the launch ?