Tinto Flavour #22 - 27th of May 2025

[Spudzzy03]

As part of the free updates, right?

They will start mostly generic for now, but the intention is to make more unique ones over the game's lifetime.

 

[Nikicaga]

Like, most of those advances are after the game end date... Why would they put it in?

The game ends in ~1837, with only Vuk's reform beinf close to that period and starting in the 1810s already (it was a very long linguistic fight)

 

[GenericUsername1444]

Georgian people are proud and with a long history, for their ancestors were already living at the foot of the Caucasus even before the old empires of ancient antiquity were formed. They were among the first to embrace Christianity, and they made it their flag and identity. Even after the expansion of Islam, and being surrounded by heathen nations, they held their faith and became a bulwark of Christianity in the midst of the connection between East and West.

Not even the Mongol hordes of Činggis Khān managed to fully subjugate its people, for the Georgian people rose again in defiance once the Mongol threat waned. Having been united once before under a great kingdom, the Georgian people have the potential to achieve great heights once again.

The country had its greatest splendor during the rule of King Davit IV the Builder Bagrationi and Queen Tamar the Great Bagrationi. Now, after having been divided, the Kingdom of Georgia is once again united under the authority of King Giorgi V the Brilliant Bagrationi, after His Majesty conquered western Georgia and reasserted his rule over all the Georgian territory. Even Armenia bows now to the power of Georgia.

Although still technically subject to the Īlkhānān, it in itself is an empty husk, with no one to actually lead it. Under these circumstances, how could Georgia not rise again greater than ever before?

I have a few suggestions for the flavour text:

"conquered western Georgia" is a bit misleading, it was a reconquest more than anything.

"Even Armenia bows now to the power of Georgia" - also a tad misleading. These parts of Armenia had been under Georgian authority for the past 200 years. It would be better to say that "Armenia has finally been retaken from the Khas Inju (royal domain/autonomy) of the Mongols".

"Although still technically subject to the Īlkhānān" - a very controversial assertion. Considering the mechanics of the Ilkhanate, IRL history, and Giorgi's position in-game, I think it'd be more accurate to say that he wasn't subject to the Il-Khans.

 

[Polesie Admiral]

As part of the free updates, right?

Please make this a meme with the Anakin padme template

 

[Inspecta]

I was previosuly asking on ethnicity presets and while I praised how Italians looked, i gotta say I'm disappointed with the looks of these cultures.

Georgians, Armenians and other Cuacasians would not look like English people, and I think the same case would be for Serbians.

Choice of presets is still questionable with PDX it seems. I am still horrified with how Vic 3 team made Turks and Persians to have Arabic ethnicity, Greeks to have Slavic ethnicity and Bengalis to have Asian ethnicity.

I would think it's WIP, but those are historical characters, that you probably defined DNA of. So simply changing ethnicity wont work here, you'd have to completely remake them or adjust to that point that would actually look like people from those areas.

 

[Pavía]

Are there events dealing with Serbs/Serbia after the medieval period? Ones about the Great Serb Migrations that significantly impacted the ethnic picture of the region, or about the great Serbian revolts late in the game?

We have late game historical content, yes:

 

[GenericUsername1444]

@Pavía are there any Georgian collapse mechanics? Since even the Polish szlachta coup and the Muscovite Time of Troubles are scripted, I'd imagine this one would be too.

 

[Alekslav123]

After Stefans death, are there any events regarding the disengration of the Serbian Empire such as his Brother proclaiming himself a rival Empreor in the south part of the empire during Stefan the weaks reign?

 

[Trepanator]

The game ends in ~1837, with only Vuk's reform beinf close to that period and starting in the 1810s already (it was a very long linguistic fight)

well... Zlakusa Pottery is completely irrelevant, and first mention of it is in 1860. Vuk reforms are more of a vicky thing i'd say unless you want literacy boost 10 years before the game ends, Pirot carpets again persian thing, irrelevant, rakija, cultural relevancy came in vicky time... Slava i agree on, the first two also.

 

[Alekslav123]

Also is there perhaps a late game Yugoslavia formable available to south slavic states?

 

[Pavía]

Will Armenia have any flavour too?

Yes, there's a set of advances for countries of Armenian culture, here you have some:

 

[lazprune]

Yes, there's a set of advances for countries of Armenian culture, here you have some:

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Thank you.

 

[Trepanator]

Since Dositej is in the game could you please put this chad in Sava Mrkalj

 

[Sulphurologist]

Wow I suppose this is the new real life height map implemented and looks so good here in this screenshot of Georgia and the Caucasus mountains. Imperator map vibes!!!

This is not the real life heightmap, although it now includes IRL elevation elements. This is still a highly stylised version, which overexaggerates a lot of the Southern Georgian / Armenian topography, and simplifies the shape of the Caucasus a lot. (And makes the shapes of the mountains too big/simple for my taste)

The actual DEM is a lot more high-res and diverse than this.
Hoping to see it drift more towards the IRL DEM (and add some snow to those mountaintops, too!)
Edit: that said, these screenshots are probably from a previous version, before they switched to the IRL DEM.
@Pavía can you elaborate whether or not these screenshots are from the new topographic style, or the old?
Edit2: thanks @Streamlet for pointing out that it's a hybrid system now.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...27th-of-may-2025.1760461/page-8#post-30400434

Some quick blender renders for a similar angle:

Monochrome	With DEM coloration

Spoiler: East India Example

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-flavour-22-27th-of-may-2025.1760461/post-30401154

Linear scale elevation render	square root of elevation render

 

[Aff]

Will Georgia ( or any other nation in that regard) gain any bonuses for developing mountains or hills? It will be pretty hard to develop the caucasus otherwise. Maybe a unique building?

 

[Pavía]

3D maps shown here are a beauty, but colours of counties' borders are too strong, they look radioactive.

And it seems some colours of borders do not correspond to the colour of the country (?):

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It's because I have the 'blend overlord color' setting, and they're taking the map coloring of its overlord, Naples.

 

[Trepanator]

Also is there perhaps a late game Yugoslavia formable available to south slavic states?

Good God i hope not. Illyria i could see in the age of Revolutions... But Yugoslavia? Hard pass

 

[Nikicaga]

well... Zlakusa Pottery is completely irrelevant, and first mention of it is in 1860. Vuk reforms are more of a vicky thing i'd say unless you want literacy boost 10 years before the game ends, Pirot carpets again persian thing, irrelevant, rakija, cultural relevancy came in vicky time... Slava i agree on, the first two also.

Zlakusa Pottery was first noted then, but likely has much more ancient origins, perhaps even to pre-Slavic times - it is a bit of an iffy suggestion perhaps, but given its UNESCO status I thought it would make for a good, educational inclusion with a small Pottery production modifiers

Pirot kilims date to at least the mid-16th century, and rug weaving in the city predates the Turkish conquest, and while brought by Ottomans IRL, could have plausably developed from trade and cultural exchange as well.

Pirot carpet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Istorija pirotskog ćilima - od tradicije do nacionalnog blaga | Kilim

Istorija pirotskog ćilima kroz vekove – od narodnog zanata do simbola srpske tradicije. Otkrijte njegovu umetničku vrednost i kulturni značaj u Srbiji i svetu.

kilim.rs

Rakija dates to at least the 14th century and is perhaps the globally best known part of Serbian and Balkan culture

 

[Alekslav123]

Good God i hope not. Illyria i could see in the age of Revolutions... But Yugoslavia? Hard pass

Well The Illyrian movment of the 19th century was for all intents and purposes was a yugoslav movment, but given the time period i agree Illyria as a name for the state would fit it more

 

[giorgi1999]

I'm not sure whether this is the right place to talk about this, but it seems to me that Georgia's population is far too low. Just 600K people in Georgia proper (excluding Alastani and Samtskhe) seems odd to me.

I strongly suggest rethinking that decision. I've already written of this here.

I also noticed the reduction and I agree that it doesn't really make sense.

Although I would say that the original distribution was pretty ok.

With the current tags, Georgia+Samtskhe+Alastani together being a bit more than 1 mil.