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Tinto Maps #10 - 12th of July 2024 - Syrian Levant & Egypt

Hello everyone, and welcome to another Tinto Maps! We’re back after celebrating the most important victories over Germany and France since the 30 Years War a hard week of work, and we’re ready to share with you the region of the Syrian Levant & Egypt (actually, we’re revealing a bit more of what those regions would be, to cover the complete extension of the Mamlūk Sultanate). Let’s go!

Countries:
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The Mamlūk Sultanate is the main power of the region, a situation achieved after the defeat of the Mongols at the Battles of Ain Jalut and Marj al-Saffar, and the fall of Acre, the last stronghold of the Crusader states in Outremer. The latter's legacy is still handled by the Kingdom of Cyprus, ruled by Hugues IV of Lusignan. Apart from that, we can see the realm of Candia, a subject governed by the Serene Republic of Venice, and some Arabic tribes, such as the Hutaym and the Anizah. Oh, and also, to the south-west, you might have noticed some oases ruled by either the Mamluks, or Fezzan; I opted for not coloring the wastelands, as usual, but also the corridors, a type of terrain present in other GSGs, that we have in Project Caesar. I’ll talk more about them under the ‘Locations’ section of the DD, but I just want to note one more thing: the connection down the Nile is a regular one, with a border existing between the Mamluks and Makuria (the country that controls the small chunk of land at the very south of the image).

Dynasties:
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The Bahri Mamluks have ruled the Sultanate since they deposed the Ayyubids, almost a century before the start of the game. It could maybe be a bit more accurate to depict Sultan al-Nasir Muhammad as an ibn Qalawun (‘of the lineage of Qalawun’), but the dynastical dynamics of the Mamluk rulers are not so easy to portray, so we opted for the moment to better use Bahriyya. Apart from that, you may also see the neighboring dynasties, such as the already-mentioned House of Lusignan, or the Hethumian of Cilicia.

Locations:
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Here you can see the locations of the entire region, and also closer chunks behind the ‘Spoiler’ button. The most interesting feature to talk about is that of the corridors, something that some of you might remember from ‘Imperator: Rome’, but also something new to the rest. The corridors are empty locations, with no population or resources, but that allows connection between the locations at their sides, for some mechanics that we’ve already mentioned (market access, control), and some others that we haven’t (army movement). This is the way that we’ve chosen to portray the Saharan corridors, that allow for a connection between the Maghreb and the Mashreq, and Western and Central Africa. There are also some regular locations over those corridors, with population, resources, etc., that can be controlled by countries, which portray the desert oases that made for important outposts in the different Saharan routes. Not all the connections are throughout corridors, though; outside of the image, the Nile River valley allows for regular locations all the way down from Egypt to Nubia, the last location held by the Mamluks being that of Aswan, while the first held by Makuria, not shown in the screenshot, being Qasr Ibrim. We will talk more about Nubia and Ethiopia in a future Tinto Maps.

Provinces:
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Usual provinces mapmode; please let us know of any spelling or naming suggestions that come to your mind.

Areas:
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A new mapmode that has been requested in previous Tinto Maps, and that we’re now incorporating.

Terrain:
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The climate is dominated by a mix of Mediterranean, Arid, and Cold Arid. The topography of the region is quite flat, with some hills and mountains on Mount Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon, Mount Sinai, and the verge of the Arabian plateau; and some marshland over the Nile Delta, of course. Regarding the vegetation, desert and sparse vegetation dominate most of the region, with some woods and forests over Levant, and the Nile fertile farmlands, the bread basket of the Eastern Mediterranean.

Cultures:
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Here starts the fun… Those countries ruling over the Middle East will face the challenge of managing several different cultural minorities. Libyan, Egyptian, Sa'idi, Bedouin, Ḥijāzī, Najidi (the green one to their right), Levantine, and Iraqi (the light blue at the top right of the picture) are all different regional cultures of Arabic-speaking people. Something interesting is that most of Bedouin pops are tribesmen, instead of peasants, portraying their traditional social organization. Coming to important minority groups, Coptic people are quite important in Egypt, accounting for about 10% of the population of the Mamlūk Sultanate. The other important minority are the Syriacs, as they also account for another 10% of the population, and are a cultural majority in a few locations. Apart from those, there are also Armenians, Kurds, and Turkomans on the divide between Anatolia, Syria, and Jazira, Alawites Shiites in Syria, Mizrahi Jews all over the region, Samaritans in Palestine, and Greeks in Crete, Cyprus, and some in Alexandria. Oh, also the Saharan cultures of the Eastern Berbers and the Toubou over some of the Saharan oases.

Religions:
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More fun. In this region, we have:
  • Sunni Muslims
  • Miaphysite Christians
  • Orthodox Christians
  • Shia Muslims
  • Catholic Christians
  • Druzes
  • Jews
  • Nestorian Christians (the ‘label’ we’re using to depict the Church of the East)
  • Samaritans
  • Yazidi

Relating these religions to the previous cultures, we can tell you most of the Arabic-speaking cultures are Sunni Muslims, with some Shia Muslims in Syria and Lebanon. Most of the Coptic are Miaphysite, adhering to the Patriarchate of Alexandria, although some of there still follow the Orthodoxy of Constantinople. The Syriacs are also religiously divided, with some being Nestorians (the current name we have to cover the confessions related to the Church of the East), some Miaphysites, some Orthodox, and even some Catholics in Lebanon. And then we have some cultural-religious minorities, such as the Alawite Shiites, the Druzes (which are of Levantine culture), the Mizrahi Jews, the Samaritans, and the Yazidi (which are of Kurd culture).


Raw Materials:
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There are some materials that are more unique to this region, such as the Dates in the arid fringes. The Nile Valley and Delta are incredibly fertile, having plenty of different crops: Wheat, Rice, Legumes, Sugar, Cotton, Fiber Crops (=Linen), etc. Livestock, Wool, and Horses are also important resources for the people across the region. There are also some metals present in the region, such as Copper in Cyprus and around the Red Sea, Iron, Tin, some Lead, and some interesting sources of Alum.

Markets:
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The main market centers of the region are Alexandria (yeah, it’s there! I’ve already reported its weird name-wrapping and one of our programmers is going to take a look at it) for the Mashreq, Damascus for the Syrian Levant and Mecca for the Hejaz.

Country and Location Population:
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The population of the region points to Egypt being its powerhouse, with several million people being supported being the Nile Valley and Delta. Apart from that, the Syrian Levant has a very decent population, making the Mamlūk Sultanate a dreadful rival to have in 1337. The arid fringes make for a way more difficult food production and population sustainability, making them more of strategic value, by their position, resources, etc.

And that’s all for today! Next week @Johan will show you Scandinavia, the very first map that was crafted for Project Caesar! Cheers!
 
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I wonder if the name of the Sinai area should be changed to Arabia Petraea?
The borders of the region would also need to be redrawed.
You can also add a new area, Central Egypt
Something should also be done with the Upper Egypt area because this area includes the Libyan and Cyrenaic deserts


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The dominant Religion of Upper Egypt should be Miaphysitism

Quote from the pdf file titled: The Rise of Provincial Arab Ruling Families in Mamluk Egypt; 1350–1517
https://knowledge.uchicago.edu/record/5403/files/MSR-XXV-Rapoport.pdf
The same time, it should be noted that the Islamization of Upper Egypt was not
complete. According to al-Ẓāhirī, writing as late as the middle of the fifteenth
century, Upper Egypt had over a thousand churches and monasteries, and the
majority of the population was Christian.
Will the Al Fadl Arab Tribe be added as a Mamluk vassal?
Will lesser dynasties in Lebanon be represented as Mamluk vassals?
Will the emirate of Hama, ruled by the last ruler of the Ayyubid dynasty in Syria, be represented in any way?
 
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I don't have a source for this right now, especially related to the time period, but I would suggest some more grassland in Northern Syria - it is part of the Fertile Crescent after all. Maybe even some farmland around the Euphrates.

No Damascus Steel? I find that a Syrian offence!

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Sidenote: I see you rolled back Sunnism to Sunni.
Fun fact: Damascus steel is not steel from Damascus or iron mined in the region. Iirc it turns out it's just Wootz steel made into weapons in the generic area of Damascus apparently
Damascus steel is a type of crucible steel with a certain pattern, it has little to do with the city of Damascus itself. It is also not "superior" in any way to other types of steels, it just looks pretty. The term is often expanded to any steel with a pattern (which has been made all over the world since ancient times) using a variety of methods, so it's little more than a marketing term at this point.

Please consider the use of these corridors (or variants thereof) for mountainous regions too, it would make maneuvering and location connections there much more interesting!
But mountainous regions often have populations, albeit small ones. The parts that aren't inhabited are usually the parts that can't be traversed.
I can see corridors working on pass roads that don't have a permanent population, but that would make the locations in between those passes significantly smaller which may not be good for gameplay.
 
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The area west of the Khalij el-Arab was typically considered to be geographically part of Cyrenaica, so it's fine that it's not part of Lower Egypt actually.
Yeah, you're right. I couldn't quite differentiate between Cyrenaica and Upper Egypt, so I thought that part was also part of Upper Egypt somehow. And then I just put down the Roman province borders.:oops:
 
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What happened to Cyprus' beautiful yellow-like color?

Also, is this the thread for some Aegaen feedback? ;)
Cyprus should obviously be copper-colored. I mean, it'd be like making the Netherlands something but orange.

I guess it is copper-colored here, it's just rusty copper lol

I agree (unless they're going to have g for Egyptian dynamic names) - I also think I see (Tarabulus al-)Sham, Shaam, and an area starting with Ša.

Another vote for ALA-LC as well!
The problem with ALA-LC (and other Arabic romanization systems) is they're only for MSA. It'd be cool if each Arabic dialect had its own localizations, but that might be unecessary at this time, they haven't even properly finished switching from Arabizi.
 
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Hi! Does that mean that sephardim and mizrahim will be considered as two different cultures? also will it be possible to recreate Israel? thanks!
They are different cultures, yes.
 
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I'm unsure about some areas and provinces being overly large. The areas we have seen in France or the British island have both a smaller size and a small population than for example the Levant here. Large areas and provinces are justified if the region is sparsely inhabited for example, but I don't think that applies to the Levant, which is if my measurements are correct is around like 150000 km², which is, like, 4 times the size of Bretagne, which itself was a pretty large area in its region.

Given the precedent and the fact that the Levant cannot be called, by any means, a "low density backwater region", I do suggest splitting it into the Southern Levant and Syria at least.
I'm also not entirely certain about the specific mechanics assigned to provinces and areas and what do they change, like, in the West provinces seem to be structured more like counties/county level administrative entities with their sizes and low location count, but then some areas have some insanely massive provinces closer in size and spread to general historical regions and what would be a "duchy" in CK or even a "state" in EUIV, and Areas in the west are more like "duchy-level" regions and subdivisions while in the East in cases such as the Levant their scope is closer to multi-country geopolitical areas. Often the two different "approaches" are found together in the same generic region, such as in Anatolia or as we have seen the Levant.

Pavía, can we know what's mostly the specific role/design approach for these levels of regionality? And what's the reason for seeming inconsistencies?
 
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The name of the Palestine province should be "Falastin" and also why do we have Arabic names for some locations/Province but not for other like "Sidon" (Wich is a English name in Arabic it's "Saida")
 
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Hi! Does that mean that sephardim and mizrahim will be considered as two different cultures? also will it be possible to recreate Israel? thanks!
Israel should be added as a tag if nothing else because it'd be weird if the Kingdom of Semien was the only Jewish tag. But also, assuming the game lasts until the Napoleonic Era, there were some rumors that Bonaparte was going to "restore Judea" during his Syrian campaign.
These were all just rumors, but it's an althist game, what if they weren't?

I wonder if the name of the Sinai area should be changed to Arabia Petraea?
The borders of the region would also need to be redrawed.
You can also add a new area, Central Egypt
Something should also be done with the Upper Egypt area because this area includes the Libyan and Cyrenaic deserts


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The Sinai Peninsula should imo be split between Upper Egypt, the Levant and Hejaz, yeah.
Adding an "Arabia Petraea" region could also work, but idk what the regional Arabic name would be.
"Central Egypt" is an unecessary addition imo, I think it's a more modern conception.
 
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Given how big the HRE is and how much feedback we're likely going to have, would your schedule fit it being split in half?
It wouldn't make much sense, TBH.
 
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Have you considered having a similar system to the 'corridors' for big rivers like the Rhine, Danube, Euphrates etc?

Those were fairly effective natural borders, much like mountains/deserts and there's a reason why multiple empires always tended to use them as their border, from the Romans, to the Ottomans and many of the various Persian empires.

It always bothered me how in EU4 rivers only give a slight attacking penalty. It makes them somewhat useless as a border, which is pretty ahistorical given how effective they were at repelling invasions. In EU4 there is no reason for someone playing as the Ottomans to have the Danube as their northern border other than roleplay, which just doesn't feel right.
 
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From "The History of the Druze" This is a map post migration to Jabal Druze, but it does probably give you an idea of where the populations were pre migration, and a pre migration map. There shouldnt be a major population around Harwan, like depicted in the map.
 

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They are different cultures, yes.
Not sure that a Mizrahi culture makes sense. The speech, food, etc of Arabophone Jews was much closer to their non-Jewish neighbors than to Jews of other Arab countries. Not to mention there's also at least Aramaic, Persian, and Berber-speaking Jews. I suppose it could make sense from a gameplay perspective, to make them hard to convert simply because they're a distinct culture - but you could also just give Judaism strong buffs against conversion.
 
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Two questions about corridors:

1. Is there an option to display the names of the corridors on the map? It’s hard to learn the names of locations when you can’t see them on the map.

2. Why is there no corridor along the Aswan coast by the Red Sea? Even if it’s too inhospitable for permanent habitation, surely a force could pass through at some cost.
 
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Too many light blues in the area in the cultural map. I'd recommend changing Syriac to another color, maybe a yellow-tan. If it's intentional, to show Syriacs and Levantines are very culturally close, I'd recommend to at least darken the color of the Syriacs, and/or give it a slightly different hue.
 
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