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Tinto Maps #13 - 2nd of August 2024 - Maghreb

Hello, and welcome one more week to another Tinto Maps, where we assemble several maps for the shake of it (well, also to gather feedback, I guess). After the nightmarish maps of last week, we’re showing a much less fragmented region this week, the Maghreb. Let’s take a look at it, then.

Countries:
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This week I’m showing two versions of the country map, one without colored wastelands, and another with them colored (please take into account that some work still needs to be done regarding the coloring of the corridors). Only four new countries are to be shown this week (as Fezzan already appeared some weeks ago). First is first, there are dynamic keys for them similar to the Mamluks, so their full name in the game are ‘Marinid Sultanate of Morocco’, ‘Zayyanid Sultanate of Tlemcen, and ‘Hafsid Sultanate of Tunis’ (Tripoli starts with a random ruler, as we weren’t able to find which was the reigning dynasty in 1337). The main power in this period is the Marinid dynasty, ruling from Fās, after grabbing the power from the Almohads almost a century ago. They start at war with the Zayyanids of Tlemcen, and its capital is close to falling to the mighty Sultan Abu al-Hasan ‘Ali. They also have a foothold in Iberia, around Algeciras and Ronda, which may lead to future campaigns about the control of the Strait of Gibraltar.

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And this is the starting diplomatic situation between Morocco and Tlemcen, with the capital of the latter almost surrounded by the former...

Dynasties:
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Here we have the three main dynasties of the Maghreb in 1337, the Marinids, the Zayyanids, and the Hafsids. Apart from those, the dynasties of Tripoli and Fezzan are randomly generated, as we don’t know who was ruling in those places at that specific time.

Locations:
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Here are the maps of the locations. In the first, you may see the corridors (the non-named locations) connecting the Maghreb with the Saharan inner lands and oases. Regarding the location density, we might want to increase it in a few places (that Siṭṭāt location is too big compared to its neighbors, for instance).

Provinces:
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We’re open to suggestions for the provinces, as usual.

Areas:
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The areas of the Maghreb correspond to their historical division (al-Aqṣā, al-Awsat, al-Adna, and Tripoli). The northern section of the Sahara is split in two areas, the Western Sahara, and the Sahara Oases.

Terrain:
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Better late than never!

Cultures:
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The cultural division of the region is very, very interesting, we think. The first thing that I want to stress is that we’ve divided the most Arabized zones from the more traditionally Berber ones. The more Arabized cultures are the Moroccan, Algerian, Tunisian, Lybian, and the Hassaniya tribe, in the western Sahara. Meanwhile, the Berber-speaking peoples are divided into Masmuda, and Sanhaja in al-Maġrib al-Aqṣā; the Zenati in al-Maġrib al-Awsat; the Kabylian, Chaoui, and Mozabite in al-Maġrib al-Adna; and the Eastern Berber (a name that we will probably change, given the feedback already received in the Egyptian Tinto Maps) in Tripoli. The Berber-speaking Tuareg and the Saharan-speaking Toubou inhabit the central Saharan Oases.

Religions:
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Most of the region’s population practices Sunni Islam, with a very important zone where Ibadism is the majority, more or less corresponding with Mozabite and Eastern Berbers. Although it’s not shown on the map, there are two religious minorities present, the Mustaʿravi Jews, in a bunch of urban centers across the region, and some native Christians spread through al-Maġrib al-Adna.

Raw Materials:
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The Maghreb is very rich in different materials, especially Morocco (which was used a long time ago as a ‘RGO-gameplay’ testing ground by our QAs). The Saharan corridor is way less productive, but it’s somehow important for the next map…

Markets:
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The market centers of the region are placed in Fās and Al-Jazā'ir, which makes for good market access and distribution for the start of the game, in general terms. You might notice that trading happens across the corridors, which makes for a real connection between the markets to the north and south of the Sahara in 1337. This means that we can effectively simulate the trading of Saharan and sub-Saharan goods (salt, alum, gold, ivory) to the north until maybe some European countries decide to explore down the African coast and make direct trading in the Gulf of Guinea, avoiding the Maghrebi intermediaries.

Population:
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The population of the region is around 5,5M, with an interesting distribution: al-Maġrib al-Aqṣā and al-Maġrib al-Adna have more or less a similar population, with al-Maġrib al-Awsat having half of them, and Tripoli and Saharan Oases being way less populated.

And that’s all for this week! The next one we will travel across the Sahara, and take a look at the region of Western Africa. See you!
 
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How do we colonize the oasis?
As with any other regular location (please note that I'm not talking about the corridors, which are not ownable).
 
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Well, please give Seville and Fez more contrasting colours. They clash easily.
They're automatically generated (from the color of the owner of the market center, you may notice); I'll report making for a better contrast.
 
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This is not true, there would have a large Andalusian diaspora in the Maghreb. For exemple in the Hafsid Sultanate certain estimates put the population of Andalusians in Ifriqiya at around 8-10%. Source: The Making of a Meditteranean Emirate: Ifriqiya and it's Andalusis, 1200-1400.

Just as in the Maghreb was a space known for inter-kingdom migration Andalusia was a part of it as well, famously Ibn Khaldoun immigrated into Andalusia and many intellectuals did the same, many Mosques in Bejaia were of an Andalusian style as well, so it's a little silly to say immigration would have only majorly happened one way until the 17th century.

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well i spoke of great migrations
north africa have only 2 great arab migrations recorded that changed the demography of north africa .
the Banu hilal invasion ( who brought the actual dialect used in maghreb) and the 1600s mass diaspora .
100k isnt a big of a deal compared to the huge ammount who got kicked in the 1600s . who did dwarf the total of peoples who moved in the 250 years prior to that .
 
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1. Technically, they would be 'on-Saharan', as they're to the north, middle, and south of the Sahara. ;)
2. We have other Saharan peoples apart from the Berbers.
3. We're aware of the debates about how to correctly name them, but we've decided upon the most common terminology in English (and if it ends up changing, we would be glad to address that, as with other people).
4. We've tried to portray these people in the most granular way ever in a GSG, with 9 different cultures (the 8 mentioned in the DD, plus Guanche).
5. This is what the description of the Berber culture group says:
Using Berber is probably fine, and their portrayal seems great, but the name Amazigh is probably well-known enough to be an uncontroversial replacement to Berber as the culture group name - as some do consider "Berber" to be insulting.
 
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Will sultanates as Tuggurt and Laghouat be in the game? These sultanates are located in the interior of Sahara near oasis and Tuggurt Sultanate is a country playable in EU4.

Even if these sultanates dont exist in 1337, will be possible for them to appear later and be playable? How it would work if the regions were they are located do not have any tag to select at game start?
More about this in a few weeks; but please note that the countries playable in Project Caesar will be different from those in EU4, as it's a different game, with a different starting date.
 
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well i spoke of great migrations
north africa have only 2 great arab migrations recorded that changed the demography of north africa .
the Banu hilal invasion ( who brought the actual dialect used in maghreb) and the 1600s mass diaspora .
100k isnt a big of a deal compared to the huge ammount who got kicked in the 1600s . who did dwarf the total of peoples who moved in the 250 years prior to that .
Under a pop based system 10% is absolutely a large community that should be represented. It's more than the jewish or catholic population. But I guess it's still true that the migrations after the 15th century were bigger, though I don't see the relevancy of it here.
 
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Will there be a distinction between jews from the maghreb and the middle east? And between Andalusian, the maghreb and the middle east? historically the jewish cultures in these regions formed a continuum, from baghdad to Lisbon.
Also, will there be an event for the arrival of sephardi jews to maghreb and the middle east?
Sephardi, Mustaʿravi, and Mizrahi are different cultures, that belong to the Jewish culture group. And yes, there are events about the possible expulsion of Sephardi from Iberia, relocating them throughout the Meditarrean.
 
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Among this andalusian diaspora, will there be sephardi jews?
If we find data about their settlement in 1337, yes; although the Sephardi were usually not expelled before 1492, but were either allowed to stay or relocated inside the Iberian Christian kingdoms (as they were generally considered 'King's Jews').
 
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not yet . as a descendent of such diaspora myself i say that wouldnt be considered a massive migration till the 1600s
Actually, no. The first waves of Andalusi migrants were after the fall of Ishbiliyah, Qurtubah, and Balansiyah (Sevilla, Cordoba, Valencia) in the 13th century. Although some dynamics should show the later expulsions and settlements in the later game.
 
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It may be...
Blursed Tinto Maps.

Have it include Bermuda, the South Atlantic Islands, and the Caribbean and just call it the "Atlantic Islands" TM or something.

Bonus points if you black out Newfoundland in the Eastern Canada TM and put it in that one as well!
 
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Andalusi culture in Iberia will be in Arab group alongside Moroccan?
They aren't in the same culture group, but have a [REDACTED] feature in common and a [REDACTED] relationship with them.
 
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Very cool.

At an initial glance, it looks like Morocco and Tunis are in a much better and stronger place than they were in EU4, whether we are speaking in absolute terms or in their relative strength against Castile.

Am I correct?
 
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