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Tinto Maps #14 - 9th of August 2024 - Western Africa

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Maps, the day of the week for map nerds lovers! This week we will be taking a look at Western Africa! These lands were named historically in different ways, although probably the most widespread naming was Guinea, which also names the Gulf that makes for the southern limit of the region, with the Atlantic Ocean being to the west, the Sahara desert to the north, and the lands around Lake Chad making for the approximate eastern border.

With these regions, we’re also leaving the ‘Easy Mode Map-Making’ of Project Caesar, as getting comprehensive sources of information for 1337 for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is challenging, as the traditional historical record was oral, in contrast with the written records usual in Eurasia. In any case, we did our best to depict the rich history and geography of the region and its diversity, which is stunning. Let’s start, then!

Countries:
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The most important country, and one of the world's great powers, is the Empire of Mali, which in 1337 is at its zenit, still ruled by the infamous Mansa Mūsā. It controls not only the core lands of the Mandé-speaking peoples, but also holds the overlordship over Jolof, most of the fertile Niger river basin, and some of the most important Saharan outposts. To its south-east, the Mossi are organized in several polities (Ougadagou, Gwiriko, Yatenga, Boussouma, Tenkodogo, and Liptako). South into the coast, Kong, Dagbon, Bonoman, and Mankessim are polities ruled by the Dyula, the Dagbani, and the Akan (the last two). To the east, Fada N’gourma, Borgu, and Mamprugu connect with the lands of the Hausa, which rule from several city-states: Kebbi, Gobir, Zafara, Katsina, Daura, Kano, Rano, and Zazzau. Further to the east, the Empire of Kanem rules the lands around Lake Chad from its capital in Njimi, and over some of the Saharan corridors, making it the region's second wealthiest country. And finally, further to the south, there are the lands of the Nupe, the Yoruba (Oyo, Ife, Ijebu, Owo), the Edo (Benin), and the Igbo (Nri).

Dynasties:
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The dynasties of the region are a mix of well-known ones, such as the Keita of Mali, the Ndiaye of Jolof, or the Sayfawa of Kanem, and randomly generated ones for the rest of the polities, as we don’t have good enough sources on who was ruling over most of them in 1337.

Locations:
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The locations of Western Africa. We’ve tried our best to find suitable locations, correct naming, etc., although I’m sure there might be plenty of feedback to apply.

Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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This week we have proper Terrain mapmodes at the release of the Tinto Maps… Not much to say about them, though, as the climate and vegetation are pretty straightforward, being divided into Arid and Tropical; while the vegetation goes from desert and sparse beside the Sahara, to increasingly more forested terrain, until reaching the tropical jungles by the coast. The topography is not very fragmented, with the Guinean Highlands and the Adamawa Plateau being the most important landmarks.

Natural Harbors:
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A new map mode this week, coming from the latest Tinto Talks! There are some decent natural harbors in the region, with Banana Islands (where Freetown would be founded), Elmina, and Calabar being the best ones.

Cultures:
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A beautiful map this week… I may repeat that we tried our best to approach the region, taking into account that this was the first African region we completed, around 3 years ago. When we review it, we may add some more diversity, as we have now some more tools than the ones we had back in time, but we think that it’s way best to read your feedback first, to make sure we are on the same page.

Religions:
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Take this map as very WIP. The Sunni-Animism division is kind of accurate, with the expected division for 1337 (Islam would later on advance more to the South, but we think this is the best for this date). What we have yet to do is to divide the ‘Animism’ population into some of the regional variants; we already have plenty of data, but we also want to read your feedback on this first.

Raw Materials:
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The goods of the region are quite diverse and very dependent on the geography. In the Saharan lands, there are plenty of locations with resources such as Salt, Copper, or Alum (regarding this resource, the lands to the north of Lake Chad make for the densest Alum hub in the world for 1337, something the historical sources talk about). Livestock is king in the Sahelian lands, while there are plenty of agricultural goods in the Niger river basin. The region is also full of luxury goods, of which Gold is the most relevant, as being the biggest supply of this metal to the Mediterranean and Europe in the Late Middle Ages, while also having others such as Ivory, Gems, or Spices (which in this region are portraying some goods such as kola nuts, or malagueta pepper). Finally, the coasts of the Gulf of Guinea have plenty of Fish. Maybe the only type of good that is not very abundant in the region is metals, as having some Iron, Tin, etc., but not much in comparison with other regions.

Markets:
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Markets of the region, have an interesting distribution. The most important ones in 1337 are Niani, Kano, and Njimi, which are also connected to the Northern African markets, making it possible to get plenty of wealth by exporting well-demanded goods throughout the Sahara (for instance, exporting Gold or Alum for good money is a very viable strategy ATM). Later on, after the Age of Discovery, the coastal markets may get connected to other markets, making them more relevant, and maybe switching the power balance of the region from the North to the South, as historically happened (but take it as a ‘maybe’, not for granted, OFC!).

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Population of the region. We’ve improved a bit our tracking of the population data, to avoid further problems like the one we had with Germany. I can tell you that the total population of Western Africa is around 5.6M people, which is divided into 2.2M for the Sahel, and 3.3M for the coast of Guinea. You may very well notice that the hegemonic power here may be Mali, with around 700k people, but also that there are many more people not living under the rule of a polity, than living under it, which will make for interesting gameplay on how to deal with it (more about this in a later Tinto Talks, soon…).

And, speaking of that, I have the sad news that next Friday there is a bank holiday here in Spain, so there won’t be a Tinto Maps. The next one will be on Friday 23rd, and we will be taking a look at Eastern Africa! Until then, you may still stay tuned, as we will be replying to feedback, as usual, and we may have some informal maps incoming. Cheers!
 
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Maybe not necessarily tribal as such, but criteria include some manner of "chiefdomly authority" and taxation without having monopoly on violence or public works, and even moreso that they seem to largely be cultural groups, and work together to have armies and stuff. All that together seems like they're basically tribes. Maybe I'm making assumptions and reading too much into it, I dunno, but I think they only didn't call it that because the term comes with baggage and interpretations that might box them in. And because the thing about agriculture and permanent settlements means that they're not very nomadic – despite that they can move their pops as a mechanic.
I just don't see how most West Africans are more nomadic or are farther from chiefdoms than Tuareg or Sami. I mean if they choose not to use this mechanic in West Africa I'm okay with it, but the criteria they gave would seem a bit inconsistent.
 
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I just don't see how most West Africans are more nomadic or are farther from chiefdoms than Tuareg or Sami. I mean if they choose not to use this mechanic in West Africa I'm okay with it, but the criteria they gave would seem a bit inconsistent.
To clarify, I'm not saying they're nomadic. That's obviously not true; the bit about nomads was just a tangent. What I said about medieval West African societies in general that they're not very unified, and when they are they tend to be more sophisticated societies that better fit the land holding mechanic. This is in comparison to more tribal societies like Europe and North America. But it's also speaking in generalities, and therefore is obviously not 100% true across the whole region regardless, to the extent that it can even be considered subjective. Feel free to speak in more specifics about any of the groups in the region if you like.
 
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To clarify, I'm not saying they're nomadic. That's obviously not true; the bit about nomads was just a tangent. I'm saying that they're not very unified, and when they are they tend to be more sophisticated societies that better fit the land holding mechanic. This is in comparison to more tribal societies like Europe and North America. But it's also speaking in generalities, and therefore is obviously not 100% true across the whole region regardless, to the extent that it can even be considered subjective. Feel free to speak in more specifics about any of the groups in the region if you like.
I really feel like either most of west africa needs to be SOPs or the Sami should be removed. Preferentially the former.
 
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To clarify, I'm not saying they're nomadic. That's obviously not true; the bit about nomads was just a tangent. What I said about medieval West African societies in general that they're not very unified, and when they are they tend to be more sophisticated societies that better fit the land holding mechanic. This is in comparison to more tribal societies like Europe and North America. But it's also speaking in generalities, and therefore is obviously not 100% true across the whole region regardless, to the extent that it can even be considered subjective. Feel free to speak in more specifics about any of the groups in the region if you like.
Oh, I see what you're saying now. Interesting. Well, on that basis I think the precursors to the Mande peoples of Sierra Leone and Liberia may be a good candidate for a stateless society, as they invaded and conquered the area in the 1500s. They must have been somewhat unified to carry that out.

If that's indeed the criteria, I wish they would have made it a bit clearer instead of talking about agriculture and chiefdoms.
 
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Oh, I see what you're saying now. Interesting. Well, on that basis I think the precursors to the Mande peoples of Sierra Leone and Liberia may be a good candidate for a stateless society, as they invaded and conquered the area in the 1500s. They must have been somewhat unified to carry that out.

If that's indeed the criteria, I wish they would have made it a bit clearer instead of talking about agriculture and chiefdoms.
Yeah, those examples seem potentially suitable. We just have very little to go on about their social structure or whereabouts in 1337.

Regarding the criteria, it may be that I inferred their intent incorrectly, but I interpreted "chiefdoms" as that the group as a whole has some manner of chiefdoms, rather than that groups within the SoP have chiefs; after all its hard to see why having a chief instead of or in addition to a council would be particularly germane. And besides that, looking at the description of the things these societies do, it seems that there must be some degree of organization for them to do it. If it's not a total political unity (which it doesn't necessarily need to be) it must at least be a unity of identity. That's what I was getting at in the first place with the idea of tribes not being widespread in the area; that there isn't shared identity across what the game calls cultures (which I believe in many cases are largely just linguistic groups at this time). Although to be honest my opinion on this is mostly based eastern parts where there are strong villages and city-states to provide identity instead; I'm not as directly knowledgeable about the southwest of this region.

I really feel like either most of west africa needs to be SOPs or the Sami should be removed. Preferentially the former.
I suspect the Sami are in because the historical interactions between them and Sweden make their inclusion appealing to Swedes. I suppose if they're included under the premise that it's more fun to include them, then that is a pretty strong argument to include a lot of West African SoPs, or at least err on the side of considering as many of them to be viable SoPs as the historical record suggests any kind of support for, regardless of official criteria.
 
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It feels weird that there are so few market. Either Timbuktu or Gao should most definitely be a major market unto itself on the bend of the Niger River. See ( )
Markets as currently handled are more for gameplay reasons than they are a historical representation, so missing markets tend to be missing because adding them carves up the market area a bit too much to be practical.
 
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Markets as currently handled are more for gameplay reasons than they are a historical representation, so missing markets tend to be missing because adding them carves up the market area a bit too much to be practical.
At this time, I would see Africa rather less connected, with markets being areas of practical commercial (and other) interaction. In this way, Niani may very well cover that Upper Niger region, the Mande-speaking areas of southern Mali and eastern Guinea, while the Bend of Niger and the Songhay speaking areas, along with adjacent areas of the Tuareg speaking oases would interact better through a common market at Gao and Timbuktu. The most traded resources would be salt comming from the north and quite often unfortunately slaves from the south.
 
Hi there! An update after the last Tinto Talks, with the current 'Society of Pops' existing in Western Africa:

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A couple of notes about this:
1. This is very far from final )I'd say that the countries are only perfectly fitting around the Lake Chad area).
2. There will be tons of tag changes when we review this Tinto Maps. As you might have noticed, there are plenty of tags that would fit into the different categories, which are not fitting now. We shared this 'placeholdery' stuff on purpose, because we thought that it would be much more efficient to make an in-depth review of the region after receiving your feedback in this DD. We will then share the rework with you, and receive additional feedback about it, as being our usual review loop.
I will leave the actual suggestions to people with far more local knowledge than me, but I would certainly expect the non-state areas of coastal West Africa to be represented by stateless societies. Them being able to wage war seems very relevant for the historical slave trade, as well as a challenge to European outposts
 
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FINAL UPDATE: If you would like to see my previous posts, I believe they are around Pages 23-24. I unfortunately will not be doing any work on the Hausa or Lake Chad areas, though I'm sure they could still be updated. I did what I can, the best I can. Due to having 8 pictures, I will only be posting the Locations map as Full Pictures
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Regarding the Mali Region being "Unfinished" I began running into some serious trouble with finding PLAUSIBLE settlements (You may find some "modern" locations placed in areas where medieval villages DID exist, however their names and exact locations of course, aren't really known) and I also believed the locations were good as is.
 

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So, completely flavour-based question, but will Akan rulers (and to some extent rulers in all of west africa) get their traditional names based on the day of the week they were born?
 
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So, completely flavour-based question, but will Akan rulers (and to some extent rulers in all of west africa) get their traditional names based on the day of the week they were born?
I've never seen a paradox base game that can handle names based on days, birth order, twin status, or any similar consideration so I strongly doubt we'll get this
 
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So, completely flavour-based question, but will Akan rulers (and to some extent rulers in all of west africa) get their traditional names based on the day of the week they were born?
Very likely not, as PC/EU5 very likely will not have a system to keep track of that. Names should exist for all days of the week, though.
 
- I'm guessing Sao culture represents non-Hausa Chadic groups. Any particular reason why Mandara is separate?
I hope not, that’s a millennia-spanning civilization you’re looking at!
The city-states of the Sao reached their apex sometime between the ninth and fifteenth centuries CE.[4]

Timbuktu and southwest Niger are pretty core ethnic Songhai areas.
IIRC Timbuktu was founded by the Tuareg and taken by Mali while they still occupied it, but I don’t have a source in standby now.
 
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like many Sahelian polities.
I don’t know that decentralization is a norm for the larger states, considering I haven’t found anything similar present in Ghana or Songhai. And I don’t recall this being true for Kanem either, but it’s been a very long time since I’ve read anything about it.
 
arent most arabs of mali descendents of the moroccans who colonised northern mali and turned it to a vassal pashalek ? reason the north of mali today still dont like unification with south ?
so i think the arabs should still not appear yet in mass in mali till someone from the north annex it
There are much, much more who predate their arrival or came later elsewhere in the Sahel. The Arab-descended people specifically originating from that invasion are the Arma people.

Also, you’re thinking of Azawad. That’s not Arab, but Amazigh.
The Arma ethnicity is distinct from (but sometimes confused with) the 3.6 million Zarma people of western Niger, who predate the Moroccan invasion and speak the Zarma language, also a member of the Songhay languages.

As of 1986, there were some 20,000 self-identified Arma in Mali, mostly around Timbuktu, the middle Niger bend and the Inner Niger Delta.[citation needed]
 
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Hi there! An update after the last Tinto Talks, with the current 'Society of Pops' existing in Western Africa:

View attachment 1178462

A couple of notes about this:
1. This is very far from final )I'd say that the countries are only perfectly fitting around the Lake Chad area).
2. There will be tons of tag changes when we review this Tinto Maps. As you might have noticed, there are plenty of tags that would fit into the different categories, which are not fitting now. We shared this 'placeholdery' stuff on purpose, because we thought that it would be much more efficient to make an in-depth review of the region after receiving your feedback in this DD. We will then share the rework with you, and receive additional feedback about it, as being our usual review loop.

Are Societies of Pops organised so that one culture = one Society of Pop? Or can a culture have multiple societies of Pops associated with it?
 
Are Societies of Pops organised so that one culture = one Society of Pop? Or can a culture have multiple societies of Pops associated with it?
One Culture = one Society of Pops.
 
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I hope not, that’s a millennia-spanning civilization you’re looking at!
Sao is an archaeological culture and not necessarily ethnolinguistically homogenous. But if you look at that wiki page almost all the descendants it lists are Central Chadic-speaking groups, which the Mandara are also. It also lists Sara, who are so southerly that their territory is wasteland currently, and Kanembu (which is probably only partial cause the Kanembu seem to have conquered the Sao in a sense). Moreover their distribution in the maps on the maps in the devs posted definitely corresponds with Chadic speakers better than anything. Thus my question is there any particularly compelling reason for Mandara to be a separate culture instead of just included with Sao.

don't sell the land Farfour
 
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