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Tinto Maps #26 - 15th of November 2024 - Indonesia

Hello, and welcome to another week’s edition of the maps of Project Caesar. I hope you have your boat prepared, because today we’ll be doing some island hopping looking at all the archipelago of Indonesia.

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A very wide area filled with many countries. Obviously, the most important emerging power is Mahajapit, Majahapit, Mapajahit, Mahapajit, Mapajahit… Majapahit, originating from Java and who are taking advantage of the vacuum created by the disappearance of the Srivijaya Empire to conquer or subjugate many of the Malay polities to establish a new thalassocratic empire. In the island of Borneo, the Kingdom of Brunei is extending its territory with the subjugation of many countries in the Philippines, where the Kingdom of Tondo establishes a certain hegemony but still with many other polities in the islands that could easily take its place. On the Celebes, the island is divided into multiple countries, with the Kingdom of Luwu (starting with L) establishing a firm presence. Further east, Tidore and Ternate are ready to also be very influential polities in the region, despite their humble origins in their small islands.

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Not much in here, only the Orang Asli in the Malay peninsula and the Ilocos people in north Philippines.

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Not much to say here, as much of the dynasties are generated due to the lack of data. Notable exceptions to that are, of course, the Rajasa dynasty of Majapahit and the Mauli dynasty of the Melayu kingdom.

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The name of the sea is still encroaching on the land, but this will be solved eventually. Fortunately, the islands make it quite easy to define the areas in this region.

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Vegetation and climate is quite (almost) uniform with tropical jungle, while the topography makes it generally to be quite rugged, with flatlands being present almost only on the bigger islands.

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As one would expect, these parts are not as developed as what we’ve been seeing recently.

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I don’t think it’s to anyone’s surprise that Singapore or Manila turned out to be such good harbors.

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I think this may be the most culturally diverse area we’ve presented until now. Keep in mind though that minorities have not been done here yet, so there will probably be more blending and variation in the end.

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A foreword before presenting the religions of Indonesia. You might notice that the promise to break the Animist religion into smaller ones is now in full effect. However, this is not going to be the final step, but an intermediate one. We created a lot of different 'culture-based religions' where we knew that people had different believes and rites; now we want to group them into broader categories, that would make sense gameplay-wise, following similarities in beliefs, practices, or mythologies - take as an approximate example the Northern American religions shown in the Religious Overview Tinto Talks. In this regard, we will appreciate any feedback about how to better group these religions, as it will be much easier for us to do it with your help.

With that said, let's focus on Indonesia again. This region is also one of the most varied religion-wise. It is notable the presence of Hinduism and Mahayana, as the prominent countries in this area were Hindu-Buddhists before the arrival of Islam, which is currently just starting to make its entrance through the north of Sumatra.


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One thing I want to say here regarding languages (as for example I saw someone getting surprised by the Mon language presence in the south of the Malay peninsula) is that we have had to make some grouping of languages in certain cases. Among many other issues, languages need to have sets of names for characters, so in cases that we couldn’t find a suitable big enough group of names for a language, we were forced to group it with another one close in their linguistic group (even if just temporarily). We are currently working on improving this, so that we can have the best possible representation without having to compromise gameplay, so it is quite possible that some of the languages that we have been forced to group into bigger groups get further splits in the future. Also, dialects were not a thing yet when we did this area, so nothing about that is implemented here yet.

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Not much difference with the normal languages map, except only in those cases where a country is ruling over another culture (which will be mitigated once minorities are done)

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Mainly lumber due to so many jungle, but also some other interesting resources here. And obviously also quite a bit of spices in the Spice Islands.

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Added here also the market languages, although keep in mind that it is just the language of the culture of the market center.

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Majapahit is the most populated, which will help them become the regional hegemon they historically were.

That is all for this week. Don’t put away your boats yet though, as next week we will continue our seafaring adventures and take a look at Oceania. See you there.
 
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yeah, I was mistaken. It's Brunei region given to Sulu around the late 14th century I think? I don't remember. either way, that map is way off for the startdate of this game.
yeah, the map is probably around 1400-1840s (anachronistically). Tinto map is correct in that instead of Sulu it should be Lupah Sug
 
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Just wanna post my reply to another thread here since the devs are more likely to read my suggestions in this thread

First of all, I don't think the devs will add these islands even as a single location due to their tiny size and scatter, but I had to put it here anyway (and in the Indonesia Tinto Maps thread) and see what people think, and because these islands has their own uses at least for the local people. A massive empire would think these islands are just some rocks or stopovers, but a low or middle tier duchy or kingdom would consider these islands as valuable fishing grounds or trade routes, although it's difficult to develop them and thus largely stay poor to this day. Moreover, these islands should be a nuisance for passing ships since a lot of them are atolls or banks, and sea pirates will definitely attack those ships, or you can befriend them. That being said, I think that Muria Island, Banda Islands, and Thousand Islands should be playable and the rest could be for decorations only, at least for later game updates or for modders to add them

NameAreaLocationDescription
Thousand Islands (Kepulauan Seribu)
10.18 km²
Java Sea, north of BataviaA string of 342 islands, some of these Islands was used as forts, miltary posts, and the rest are fishing villages or mangrove forests. One example is Kapal/Onrust Island where a warehouse, fort, and shipyard was built in the 1610s by the Dutch before they captured Batavia
Banda Islands172 km²Banda Sea11 islands in this island group and 7 of which are inhabited. The only source of nutmeg and mace until the mid-19th century
Nusakambangan Island121 km²South coast of JavaOn the Tinto Maps, Nusakambangan Island is depicted to be connected to the Java mainland, but actually it is separated by Segara Anakan lagoon
Muria Island?North coast of JavaSame as above, it is depicted as connected to Java in the Tinto Maps, but Java and Muria used to be separated by Muria Strait. Trading harbors and shipyards were built in the banks and made that area richer than the center of Majapahit, this ended in around 1657 when fluvial deposits from the rivers made the strait shallower and connected the two islands. However, it is still prone to flooding, in fact, it's been flooding again recently
Masalembu Islands40.85 km²Java Sea, north of MaduraJust some fishing islands where Madurese, Banjarese, Buginese, and Mandarese live and mingle with each other, just like the other 6 islands below this table row. Coconut and Corn are also planted here. You could make it into a Singapore if you're a good gamer!
Masalima Islands23 km²Strait of Makassar"Masa" means "Many" and "Lima" means "Five". There are 7 islands in this island group, and 5 of them are inhabited or at least could be inhabited some years after the game start, these islands are some of many islands including Tengah, Sabalana, Balabalangan, Spermonde, Kalukalukuang, and Derawan that was part of Gowa-Tallo Sultanate which you can see in this mapping video
Tengah Islands?Flores SeaSome inhabited islands and lagoons, some uninhabited. Fishing villages, coconut trees, you get the idea
Sabalana Islands2694 km² (including the large lagoon)Flores SeaSame as above
Balabalagan Islands1.47 km² (land area only)Strait of MakassarCoral islands that stands on a bank that is connected to Kalimantan, fishing ground for the native Bajau people, difficult to navigate around without local knowledge
Spermonde/Sangkarang/Pabbiring Archipelago140 km² (land area)Southwest Coast of SulawesiA group of 120 islands, 50 vegetated islands and 70 unvegetated sand cays, 50 islands are inhabited. The biggest island is Tanakeke Island which ironically means "Small Land"
Kalukalukuang Islands?Strait of MakassarThe name "Kalukalukuang" means "Coconut Islands" in Makassarese, shocking
Derawan Islands?Celebes/Sulawesi SeaThe history of this island is unknown, except for how these islands are named by the Bajau through folk stories, which you can read here (PDF). Nowadays it's a pretty cool travel destination for honeymoon with your Instagram girlfriend
 
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Please split these two locations into three to represent the coastal areas and the sparsely-populated interior, so the Panaon location in Mindanao can be something other than a Mountain tile like say Flatland or Hills. I'm not sure what the 3rd location's name should be, but it could be Malindang which is the name of the mountain or Mutia taken from one the the nearby municipalities in northern Zamboanga. If adding a third location is rejected, then Sindangan can just be extended to include Malindang.
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The real-life area that Panaon represents is the most populous area in the entire Misamis Occidental province with Ozamiz itself having more people than the provincial capital Oroquieta (which should sit in this game's Dapitan), while the countryside around the mountain is sparsely populated. The mountain might be closer to the south, but the south is still just as flat as the north.

"The western part of Misamis, facing Pangil [Panguil] and Iligan Bay, is in the main a large fertile plain rising slowly to a mountain chain stretching from north to south of which Mount Malindan...is the most prominent peak."
- Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago (1922), p. 71

"The western part along the Misamis border is a rolling plain overgrown with cogon, extending from north to south along the Misamis border."
- The Philippine Agricultural Review (1920) p. 229

"Except along the coastal area, hilly and rolling land characterized the provincial terrain. Towards the western border, the terrain is particularly rugged."
- Wikipedia: Misamis Occidental

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Linao should be changed to Flatland. It seems the area is comparable to Bohol which is all Flatland in-game.
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Edit: Added name suggestions for the third location.
 
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Has anyone pointed out how the location of Troluwan is named... well Troluwan? I'd argue it's anachronistic and should be named "Majapahit" or "Wilwatikta" (prefering the former). Otherwise the Majapahit Empire ends up being one of the only nations in the game that is named neither by its capital location/province, nor by its dynasty, and nor by the area/culture of the people who rule.
 
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Edit: Apparently, there are 61 known natural harbors (one source claiming a hundred) in the Philippines, but no one lists them except bring up Manila over and over. If someone can find that list, it would be appreciated.

Edited: Organized the proposed Natural Harbors in tabular form. Updated the Locations that need to be Natural Harbors.

Just wanted to get this in here. Tinto, please turn these locations into Natural Harbors because Project Caesar's Philippines doesn't have enough of them.
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Red: Proposed/Possible Natural Harbors
Green: Current Natural Harbors

Butuan
Butuan, Agusan del Norte​
  • Agusan River Estuary​
  • "There are anchorage areas along the coast from Diwata Point to Bolo-bolo Point along the banks of Agusan River..."
  • "The anchorage is frequented by traders from port Misamis, and from Sebu..."
  • "Anchorage at mouth of river on small bay in SE. angle of Butuan Bay is frequented by traders from adjacent shores and also from Visayas Is."
  • "Along the shores of the bay, which is one of the finest in Mindanao, are several deep and secure anchorages."
  • "Magellan found that the natives were also very hospitable at Butuan and Galagan, natural harbors on the island of Mindanao."
  • "Port settlements near protected coves such as ancient Butuan by the mouth of the Agusan River where it empties into Butuan Bay in northeastern Mindanao attracted ships and sailors seeking refuge from the strong southwest winds that blew from May to November. "
Though not comparable to Nasipit Harbor and have since declined in importance, the historical Butuan harbor at the Agusan estuary and along the bay itself still provides ample shelter and anchorage to ships.

Based on the locations of Bolobolo Point and Diwata Point (Green Dots)
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The Butuan Bay anchorages along the shore may also extend to the Mainit and Surigao locations.​
Kalagan
Malalag Bay, Davao del Sur​
Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago (1922), p.59​
"(1) The bay is well protected; vessels would be safe there no matter how rough the gulf, yet,
(2) It is large enough to accommodate a large fleet.
(3) The water is deep close to the shore and piers could be constructed at a comparatively slight expense
(4) The topographical features of the country surrounding the bay are favorable to the growth of a large and attractive city under good sanitary conditions."
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Samboangan
Caldera Bay, Zamboanga​
  • "With two natural harbors a short distance away -- Caldera Bay and Masinlok anchorage -- there seems now to be every reason why a new port should be developed."
  • "Zamboanga also is located on an open roadstead although there are good natural harbors within a few miles of it"
  • "...to the eastward of Zamboanga is the beautiful natural harbor of Masinloc, with deep water and perfectly protected at all seasons of the year"
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Bo-ol
Tagbilaran, Bohol​
  • "Hidden from the open sea by the verdant island of Panglao. Tagbilaran is easily considered the commercial center of the Province of Bohol. Its pier, which is a port of call of inter-island vessels, is situated in a naturally well-protected harbor. Three legends tell about the origin of the name of this town and why it became the capital of Bohol."
  • "the area has an undeveloped protected deep natural harbor along the
    Bohol Strait"
  • "... has an undeveloped protected deep natural harbor suited for a transshipment port."
  • "Tagbilarn harbor is safe because it is sheltered from the strong southwest winds by the island of Panglao."
  • "Between the shore and the island reefs, however, fine places for anchorage are to be found. At Tagbilaran, the capital, a safe harbor was provided by cutting a channel through the reef."
Many sources say Bohol has no good harbours, but it may be because it was no good for big ships. As said in the Census of the Philippine Islands, channel was cut to create a safe harbor. Bo-ol should start with low Harbor suitability and be presented with the option to increase it for cheap.
Talibon
Jetafe. Bohol​
"Jetafe Harbor, between Handayan Island and Corte Point, is well sheltered from all directions..."
Dapitan
Dapitan, Zamboanga del Norte​
  • Classified as natural/artificial​
  • "... affords anchorage sheltered from all except northwesterly winds...The bay is free of dangers..."
  • "Port Talaguilong -- The snug little port of Talaguilong is in the northern part of Dapitan Bay. It is nearly circular in form, 1/2 mile in diameter, completely shut in, and very convenient;"
  • "Puntas [points] protect the bays from strong winds, which make for fine natural harbors and rich fishing grounds. Points Tagolo in Dapitan, Blanca in Manukan, Gorda in Peña Plata, Dulungin in Santa Maria, and Reigones in Sibuco are among the most important puntas on the north. They shelter bays of Murcielagos, Dapitan, Sindangan, Piacan[Sirawai], Sibuco and Malayal."
  • "Ponot, near Sindangan Bay to the southwest on the same island of Mindanao...had a good harbor, plenty of fresh water, and pasture land"
  • "The village of Dapitan is at the food of a beautiful bay with a good harbor (in which the first conquistadors anchored)...on the northern coast of Mindanao...northeast of Samboangan"
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Sindangan
Sindangan, Zamboanga del Norte​
  • "Had they bypassed Dapitan for any reason, they would have found Sindangan Bay, which would have given them all the provisions they needed - plus Sindangan Bay is a natural harbor, protected from the southwest monsoon"
  • "...to assure the safety of the river bar of Sindangan, it was necessary to dominate the whole bay which teemed with Moros, who possessed good little harbors for their vintas, sailboats and even small schooners in all the river outlets"
  • "Puntas [points] protect the bays from strong winds, which make for fine natural harbors and rich fishing grounds. Points Tagolo in Dapitan, Blanca in Manukan, Gorda in Peña Plata, Dulungin in Santa Maria, and Reigones in Sibuco are among the most important puntas on the north. They shelter bays of Murcielagos, Dapitan, Sindangan, Piacan[Sirawai], Sibuco and Malayal."
Siocon
Siocon, Zamboanga del Norte​
"Like many other places in Mindanao, after the cross, came the sword. Zamboanga del Norte was occupied by the Spaniards through Dapitan in the north and Siocon in the south, where an old Spanish fort atop a hill beside the sea still stands today, Port Santa Maria, a natural harbor. This was established to stop marauding pirates from proceeding farther north."
"Port Santa Maria.* -- This well-sheltered little port is situated immediately south of Balangonan Point."
"Port Santa Maria...There is good anchorage in either bay at the head of the harbor...It provides the best sheltered anchorage on the W coast of Mindanao"
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Singhapala
Cebu City, Cebu​
  • "The City of Cebu has an excellent harbor protected by the island of Mactan lying directly opposite it. The harbor is deep enough for ocean-going streamers to dock and anchor..."
  • "Figures 5 and 7 indicate that Cebu Harbor is generally well protected from direct passage of most major tropical cyclones by the general topography of the island group."
  • "Cebu Harbor is one of the finest in the Philippines, being formed by the strait between Cebu and Mactan Islands...The harbor can be entered by all classes of vessels either from northeastward or from southward."
Tanjay
Siaton, Negros Oriental
Zamboanguita, Negros Oriental​
  • "The best harbours are Port Bombonon on the S. and South Bais Bay on the E. coast, both well sheltered and safe in all weathers."
  • "Port Siyt [Siit] is small, but clear, with good holding ground and well sheltered"
  • "Bombonon; on the extreme S. coast...It is completely sheltered."
  • "Capcap; on the S. coast, small but deep and well-sheltered"
  • "Siyt [Siit]"; on the extreme SE. coast, small and well-sheltered
  • "Tutuban; on the S. end of the island and well sheltered"
  • "Capcap and Tutuban. -- The coves of Capcap and Tutuban are situated on the southern end of the island. They are small, but possess good conditions."
I can't find Capcap and Tutuban in maps, and were not different names for the surrounding areas as I have previously believed.
Sinugbohan
Iloilo, Panay​
  • "...is a natural harbor which made it a preferred port of call for ships seeking protection from strong winds and tropical monsoons."
  • "...one of the country’s safest and most natural harbors."
  • "Classified as natural/artifical"
  • "Its natural harbor in the Panay Gulf, sheltered by Guimaras Island, provides a safe and ideal environment for ships and vessels."
  • "...Antique, Capiz and Iloilo. The last ranks next to Manila amongst the commercial centers of the Philippines. It has a very good harbor, and vessels drawing fifteen feet of water may safely approach the city at all season."
  • An arm of the sea and the Iloilo River places it on an island, which, with the island of Guimaras, affords a sheltered harbor for the largest vessels.
Dumangas
Concepcion, Panay​
  • "Concepcion, with 2,695 inhabitants, is the capital. It has an excellent harbor."
  • "A seaport twon of Panay...It has a good harbor and large sugar manufactories."
Surigao
Surigao City, Surigao del Norte
Dahican, Surigao del Sur​
  • "...the Port of Surigao lies in a protected cove, making it an all-weather facility and ideal port of refuge."
  • "...although the east Surigao is comparatively rugged, an excellent natural harbor is provided in Dahican Bay, which is protected at all times during the year, having land barriers on three sides."
  • "The District of Surigao...Surigao, of 6927 inhabitants, is the capital. It has a good harbor"
  • "Placer...is reported to have a good harbor..."
Lamitan
Basilan​
  • "... two good harbors are available -- Isabela, on the northwest shore, and Port Holland, on Malusu Bay, south of the Pangasahan Peninsula, Both of these harbors have ample depth of water for large vessels, and wharfage facilities to any extent required can easily be constructed with protection from wind and sea."
  • "Isabela may be considered as the capital of Basilan. Its old name [123]is Pasangan, which is still the name of the stream at the mouth of which it is built. The town is situated 4 miles inland, on the narrow channel which separates Basilan from the small island of Malamawi. The channel widens a little at this point and forms an excellent harbor."
Location Southwest of Lamitan​
Jolo​
  • "Port Tulayan, to the east of Jolo on the north coast, is the best harbor on the island and possibly may some day become of importance"
  • "Next to Jolo, Siasi is the most important trading center in Sulu. The anchorage is good and the channel between Lapak furnishes a reasonably safe harbor."
  • "Tulayan lies north of Tandu and is separated from it by a narrow strait. It has a good harbor on the southern side."
  • "The town of Siasi is on the western side. It lies on the Pandami Channel and has a good harbor."
  • "Jolo...The harbor is deep and free from currents. The bay is well protected on the north by the Islands of Pangasinan and Marongas and is safe from all storms except those from the northwest."
Batan or Aklan
Aklan/Batan, Panay​
  • "Capiz [Roxas City] is within twenty miles of a splendid natural harbor at Batan"
  • "In the 19th century, Aklan was described to possess a good harbor located in Batan. This harbor enabled people to conduct trade with the neighboring provinces."
  • "The capital, Capiz [Roxas City], has a harbor that is well-sheltered from the northeast and southwest winds and so has Pontevedra, where the arms of the land surrounding it reach far out into Pilar Bay."
  • "The harbours of Batan and of Capiz (the cabacera) are safe for vessels of moderate size."
  • "It [Panay] possesses a few good harbours, particularly that of Batan; and Capiz itself, situated at the confluence of the rivers Panay and Capiz, affords secure anchorage."
Batan (PC) should be renamed to something else or extend a bit further west so it actually contains the real-life location of Batan because it currently is in the Aklan (PC) location.
Bago
San Carlos City, Negros Occidental​
  • "The city has a deep natural harbor protected from inclement weather by the island of Refugio, also known as Sipaway."
  • "San Carlos has a fine natural harbor protected by Refugio (Sipaway) Island."
  • "...a trail runs from Cadiz to San Carlos, which is considered the best natural harbour in the province."
Linao
Bislig, Surigao del Sur​
  • Classified as Coastal Natural​
  • According to Governor Carl M. Moore, "Bislig is a more satisfactory harbor than Lianga
  • "The anchorage...is completely sheltered from all winds"
  • "...there is a great reef that forms with the coast a small but safe port"
  • "Bislig Town is situated at the head of the bay [Bislig Bay], on the right bank of a river...The anchorage is before the town, in 3 1/2 fathoms, bottom mud and sand, completely sheltered from all winds."
  • "The most protected, good anchorages on the coast are Bitangan [Bitaogan] Bay, Lamon anchorage, and Catarman anchorage"
Ilog
  • Sipalay, Negros Occidental​
  • Hinoba-an, Negros Occidental​
  • "There are several good harbors in southwestern Negros, but they lie in areas not yet developed economically, for example, at Asia and Campomanes bays"
  • "But Sipalay was much too blessed: it had abundant mineral wealth in gold, molybdenum, copper, and silver and had a natural harbor and anchorage in Campomanes Bay to boot."
Babuyan
Puerto Princesa, Palawan​
  • "On the other hand, practical people attribute the name to the geographical advantages of the place as a seaport – naturally protected the whole year round and endowed with a depth that can accommodate any size of shipping"
  • "Called Puerto Princesa because of its superb location for excellent port facilities, it became a center of Spanish naval operations as its natural harbor met all the requirements of the Spanish Navy."
  • "Puerto Princesa, with its ideal harbor and location, is the center of trade..."
  • "and a good harbor at Puerto Princesa formed the hub of this important communication link."
Taytay
Malampaya Sound, Taytay, Palawan​
  • "Malampaya Sound...It is one of the finest harbors that can be desired, being almost free from sunken dangers and containing along its shores, bays, and inlets capable of affording shelter to a large number of vessels of deep draft."
  • "Taytay -- The magnificent bay of Taytay, 10 miles wide and 6 miles deep, extends on the opposite coast corresponding to the interior of the port of Malampaya"
  • "[Malampaya Sound]...the largest and most magnificent natural harbour in the Philippine Islands--a harbour which to my mind will some day be of great importance because of its geographical situation, equidistant from all the most important points in the archipelago; its exit direct into the China Sea; its immense size, comparatively free from rocks and reefs, and resources of all kinds for a naval station in the way of plentiful timber, good water, and good anchoring bottom,"
Busuanga
Coron, Busuanga, Palawan
Culion, Palawan​
  • "...Coron , in the north , is another seaport with a good harbor..."​
  • "The Coron Harbour itself afforded an excellent anchorage, screened off as it was by the islands of Busuanga, Coron, Bulalakao, and other minor islands."
Parpagoha
Romblon, Romblon
Looc, Romblon​
  • "Romblon is but the third largest island in the province, but Romblon town, the provincial capital, is located here. Famous for its great marble deposits, Romblon has a deep, well-protected harbor, considered to be the best land-locked harbor in the archipelago"
  • "...in behalf of the island of Tablas, thought the capital should be in that island,...it had no provincial buildings, but that the harbor of Looc was a good one"
Masbate
Masbate City, Masbate​
  • "The harbor is well protected from all winds and has sufficient room for maneuvering"
  • "Masbate Harbor (chart 4455), about 6 miles southeast of Bagubaut Point, is easy access, deep, and well sheltered from all winds"
Tinago
Catbalogan City, Samar​
  • "Samar...lies directly in the track of the northeast monsoons, which visit it with great fury. Its chief port, Catbalogan, is well sheltered and a safe harbor"
  • "Catbalogan is the seat of government. It has a good harbor and its business is considerable"
  • "Daran [Daram] Island protects Maqueda Bay from the strong currents and violent waves of the sea, and thus make it a safe harbor."
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Borongan
Guiuan, Eastern Samar​
"...a pueblo of Samar, on the extreme south coast, 78 miles southeast of Catbalogan, having a good harbor"
"The harbor is natural, and several large vessels can stand in the port area in partially protected anchorage. The port area is somewhat divided by a coral finger that extends about a mile out from the mouth of the Loom River and serves as foundation for the pier."
In Samar Province (Philippines), the snippet is incomplete, but based on the location of the Loom River, it must be Borongan.
Catarman or Marakato
Northern Samar​
"The town is situated on the southern end of an island and has a very good land-locked harbor, with a wharf running out into it for a hundred yards or so."
It mentions a town named Laguan (a misspelling or old name for the town) that I cannot find in current day maps. The rivers Catubig and and Palopa (probably an old name for another river in Samar) empty into the harbor of said town. Based on the location of Catubig and the mention of islands, the location is probably in Marakato (PC).​
Catarman
Alegria, Northern Samar​
"Looc Bay...Vessels of any size can find sheltered anchorage between it and the coast of Samar in good depth of water and good holding ground, but the space is limited."
Tayabas
Lucena, Calbarzon, Quezon
Padre Burgos, Calabarzon, Quezon​
"Roads are all good as far as Lucan; good harbor and deep water at Lucena"
"Lagiamanoc, three hours steaming by boat from Lucena port...Has a fine small harbor."
Kalapang or Mamburao
Mindoro​
"Three leagues from the island of Lucon [Luzon] is located the village of Mindoro. This is a good harbor for ships and belongs to his Majesty"
Kalapang
Puerto Galera, Mindoro​
  • "Puerto Galera's beautiful natural harbor once sheltered Spanish galleons from typhoons,"
  • "Its[Puerto Galera] deep natural harbor, sheltered on all sides, was a favoured anchorage well before the Spanish arrived in 1572..."
Mamburao
Tilik, Mindoro​
"Lubang has a protected natural harbor which is readily accessible from Manila"
Mangarin
Caguray, Mindoro
Ambulong Island, Mindoro​
  • "Caguray River...The mouth of that river is at Iling Strait, a perfectly protected harbor at all seasons of the year."
  • "It is almost if not quite divided by a swampy lagoon which forms a small harbor open to the southeast with Cucurrayah Islet at the entrance."
Basud
Bulalacao, Mindoro​
"...excellent harbors, safe in typhoon weather, on the east coast of Mindoro, notably Suguicay Bay"
"...near the sheltered harbor of Bulalacao,"
"The extensive fields near Bulalacao, in southern Mindoro, are within 4 to 6 miles of a harbor which gives safe anchorage throughout the year and which has water deep enough for the largest ocean-going vessles."
"One of the most promising fields [coal] is that near Bulalacao. There is a good harbor, which affords anchorage throughout the year..."
Google Books couldn't display the full page titled "The Coalfields of Mindoro"
Malindig
Banacalan, Marinduque​
  • "Along the Marinduque north coast is Santa Cruz de Napo 'a safe and commodious harbor and excellent holding ground, specially important as a harbor of refuge for vessels overtaken by bad weather while making the passage between Manila and San Bernanardino straits'"
  • "Port Balanacan...is made up of two small but perfectly protected anchorages to accommodate moderate-sized vessels. The harbor is backed by high hills, and except for one reef in the entrance, is free from dangers."
  • "The harbor of Balanacan is one of the finest natural harbors of its size in the archipelago, being completely landlocked."
Sawangan
Batan, Albay​
  • "Coal Harbor is sheltered from all winds except those from the southeast. The anchorage area available for large vessels is deep. "
  • "East Batan...The portal of the main slope was adjacent to a fair natural harbor [Liguan]...
  • "Calanaga Bay is a small, well-protected harbor with anchorage space for one or two vessels."
  • "Gaba Bay, situated on the north coast of Batan Island...At first glance it appears to be a commodious harbor, but its available area is so restricted by coral reefs and the entrance is so complicated by reefs...considerably reduce the anchorage limits, but a vessel once once safely inside would find good, protected anchorage."
  • "...adjacent to a good harbor, at Liguan."
  • "Batan Harbor is a small and protected anchorage area lying between two reefs that fringe the southeast side of Batan Island."
  • "Batan Harbor is easy of access and affords good anchorage, well protected from wind and sea."
  • "Kalanaga Bay...eastward of Gaba Bay[north coast of Batan Island], is a small, well-protected harbor..."
  • Port Sula...is well sheltered and has good holding ground, and is used as a harbor of refuge for moderate-sized vessels.
Polilu
Polillo, Quezon​
  • "The northern coastal town of Panukulan in Polillo Island...and its Hook Bay, a superb natural harbor which serves as a refuge for vessels during stormy weather"
  • "two deep-water entrances into Burdeus Bay from the eastward, also a harbor (Anibawan Bay) to the northeastward of Burdeus Bay on Polillo Island, which is well protected and affords good shelter from winds in any direction."
  • "Another valuable harbor of refuge in typhoons in Polillo Island was surveyed..."
  • "The town of Polillo, located on a fine harbor of the same name..."
Kumintang
Batangas​
Untitled [Snippet of a document]
Here: openjicareport.jica.go.jp/pdf/10305126_03.pdf​
  • "The Bay of Batangas is surrounded by land on three sides, and protected by Mindoro, Maricaban and Verde Islands on the south side...The topography of the inland area north of the Bay is flat and vast. Sea topography of the Bay is steep. Thus, it may well be said that the Bay is a natural harbor blessed with calm and deep water."
  • "With Respect to the Batangas Urban Corridor, the area is endowed with a deep with a deep natural harbor which serves industries like petroleum refining and shipbuilding."
Bolinao
Sual, Pangasinan​
  • "Dagupan. located on a river behind shifting sandbars, is but a few miles from Sual, where there is a perfectly protected natural harbor."
  • "The vast Lingayen Gulf with its natural harbour along the northern portion of Sual makes and ideal place for vessels..."
  • "Bolinao Harbor...The principal value of this port is as a harbor of refuge, it being a perfect typhoon harbor for fair-sized vessels."
Kasiguran
Casiguran, Aurora​
  • "Of several bays, Kasiguran in the extreme N. is a fine natural harbor. "
  • "The Bay of Casiguran is one of the most sheltered of Luzon."
Laillo
San Vicente, Cagayan​
"PORT SAN VICENTE* as a place of refuge for vessles during typhoon weather, is the best harbor in northern Luzon, and in fact, the only thoroughly protected one."

Possible Natural Harbors
Sibugay
Malagas, Zamboanga Sibugay
Olutanga, Zamboanga Sibugay
  • About Malagas: ""The bay provides shelter and anchroages, with good holding ground among the islands and bays within the bay.""
  • About Olutanga Island: "On the northern shore is a well-sheltered harbor where a lumber company has its dock and where interisland boats call for cargo. There are no roads on the island and it is as yet undeveloped."
  • "Igat Bay, a large inlet on the eastern side of Dumanquilas Bay...forming a safe and commodious harbor."
  • "[Igat Bay]...elsewhere deep water can be carried close to the beach and the bottom is flat and muddy with good holding ground. The anchorage is perfectly landlocked. The harbor is one of the best in the islands, but of no commercial value at present."
  • "Tumalaung Bay...There is good, well-sheltered anchorage in 9 fathoms, west of Sumangul Point, the northern extremity of Olutanga."
Kalamansig
Lebak, Sultan Kudarat
Kalamansig, Sultan Kudarat​
  • "Port Lebak...affords the best protected anchorage in this part of Mindanao, and is easy of access; the depths decrease gradually towards the head where there is ample swinging room for moderate-sized vessels"
  • "The port is well sheltered and easy to approach"
  • "...offers good shelter in all weathers, but a sea sets in with westerly winds."
  • "The coast is regular with a few important indentations; namely, the Polloc Harbor on the northwest, the Linao and Tuna bays on the west...These indentures are deep landlocked harbors, and are therefore good for anchorage."
According to Bullets and Bolos: Fifteen Years in the Philippine Islands, the writer of the memoir Colonel John White finds "a perfect little harbor" on arriving into Lebak.
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Botolan
Matalvi Island, Zambales​
"Port Matalvi lies between Matalvi Island and the shore southward...affords protection in any weather...It is reported to be an excellent typhoon harbor and is important in being the only harbor of this class between Bolinao Harbor and Olongapo Harbor in Subic Bay."​
Malukkit
Bangui, Ilocos Norte​
"...where anchorage sheltered from all except northerly winds, may be had. "
Binangonan and/or Pakil
Quezon​
  • "Lamon [Bay], on the north coast of Tayabas; South Luzon...well sheltered by Polillo and other islands of some size, capable of accommodating a large fleet..."
  • "Lamon: ...It is protected from the N. winds by the island of Jomalig, a dependent of Ambos Camaraines, and Polillo...The little island Balisang (Balegin, or Balesin), which lies in the middle of the bay, and Calbalete and Alabat, form with the mainland a well-sheltered port with excellent anchorage."
Mansaka
Mabini, Davao de Oro​
"Pandasan and Copia. -- There is a good anchoring ground, sheltered and protected from all winds between the islands of Pandasan and Copia, situated near the south-southeast of the mouth of the river Hijo."
Cantilan
Cagwait, Surigao del Sur​
"Caguait Harbor is a circular basin...Good anchorage, protected from all winds and seas except those from the eastward, may by found anywhere in the harbor according to draft."
In Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago, it mentions Bitaogan Bay as a protected anchorage. It seems to fall on the border of either Cantilan or Lianga.
Malabang
Damitan, Lanao del Sur
"Malabang has no harbor and the anchorage is exposed...At Port Baras, however, about 5 miles west of Malabang, there is a good harbor that could be utilized."
Initao
Iligan, Lanao del Norte
  • "A natural harbor on which has been built and is now operational..."
  • "A fine natural harbour at Iligan Bay which joins the Pacific Ocean and the Mindanao Sea..."
  • ...Quinalang Cover, four miles east of the town of Iligan, which is an excellent harbor, well sheltered and of ample of depth.
I'm getting conflicting answers on Iligan's harbor suitability. Two of the listed sources are post-WW2, but The Far Eastern Review is early twentieth century and sources from around the same decade as The Far Eastern Review disagree: Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago and The Gems of the East. In a very old source (1790's) Captain Thomas Forrest's A Voyage to New Guinea, what he hears of Iligan is not very positive.
"Beyond Eligan is Cagayan, where is faid to be
a very good harbour; that of Eligan being not fo recommended. "
- Captain Forrest
Cateel
Baganga, Davao Oriental​
  • "...Lambajon Point. This anchorage is protected from northerly and easterly winds."
  • "...in the southwest part of the bay in the vicinity of Baganga. This anchorage is protected from the Southwest Monsoon."
  • "Baganga,...Cateel...bays also offer safe places for anchroage during certain seasons."
Malandog
San Jose de Buenavista, Panay​
  • "Behind what is now San Jose de Buenavista is a ridge of hills (where Tubudan and Cansadan are located). These hills provided the harbor of long ago with a natural barrier against the sea and staved off the direct blast of the west and southwest gales."
  • "The harbor of Malandog was wide and deep. The channel of the river, which fed it, cut southwestward across the present plaza of the town of Sibalom. Then between Catunggan and Odiong, it widened to form a harbor..."
If Madyas still exists, Malandog should be a Location of cultural significance and give the ruler a choice to spend resources in developing the area.
Virac
Babaguan, Catanduanes​
"Port of Anajao, a snall but well-sheltered harbor of refuge, lies between the S(outh) side of Panay island and Catanduanes Island."
Aklan
Pandan, Antique, Panay​
"Pandan Bay is safe, steep and deep, but offers little shelter except in the northeast monsoon."

Found a list of the harbors and anchorages from the early 20th century.
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1903 chart of Philippine Harbors and Anchorages

Mindanao
Game Location​
Real-life Location​
Harbor/Port Name​
Harbor Quality​
Lamitan​
Basilan, Zamboanga​
Port Isabela​
Good in All Weather​
Location Soutwest of Lamitan​
Jolo, Sulu
Siasi, Sulu​
Dalrymple Harbor
Siassi​
Good in All Weather​
Sibugay​
Zamboanga Sibugay
Zamboanga del Sur​
Igat
Margosatubig
Port Sambulauan
Tumalung Bay​

Good in All Weather​
Samboangan​
Zamboanga Sibugay
Zamboanga del Norte​
Port Banga
Panabutan Bay
Sibuco Bay
Port Masingloc (Masinloc)​

Good in All Weather
Good in Northeast Monsoon (Panabutan, Masinloc and Sibuco)​
Kuta Watu​
Parang, Magundanao​
Polloc Harbor​

Good in All Weather​
Kalamansig​
Kalamansig, Sultan Kudarat​
Port Lebac​
Good in All Weather​
Panaon​
Ozamiz City, Misamis Occidental​
Port Misamis​
Good in All Weather​
Hingoog​
Nasipit, Agusan del Norte​
Port Nasipit​
Good in All Weather​
Caraga​
Mati, Davao Oriental​
Pujada Bay​
Good in All Weather​
Siocon​
Siocon, Zamboanga del Norte​
Port Santa Maria​
Good in All Weather​
Butuan​
Butuan, Agusan del Norte​
Agusan River​
Good in All Weather​
Dapitan​
Zamboanga del Norte
Misamis Occidental​
Murcielagos Bay
Inamucan Bay
Port Tagaguilong (Taguilon)
Dapitan Bay​
Good in All Weather
Good in Southwest Monsoon (Inamucan Bay)
Good in Northeast Monsoon (Dapitan Bay)​
Surigao​
Surigao City, Surigao del Norte​
Port Surigao​
Good in Southwest Monsoon​
Sarangani​
Sarangani, Davao Occidental​
Port Tumanao
Port Bolay​
Good in All Weather​
Furthest Islands near Borneo in the Southwest​
Tawi-Tawi, Sulu​
Bongao
Dos Amigos​
Good in All Weather​

Visayas
Game Location​
Real-life Location​
Harbor/Port Name​
Harbor Quality​
Limasawa​
Bucas Islands, Surigao del Norte
Dinagat Islands, Caraga
Siargao, Surigao del Norte​
Port Sibonga
Port Gabo (Gaboc)
Port Pilar​
Good in All Weather
Good in Southwest Monsoon (Port Pilar)​
Matandag Nayon​
Burias Island, Masbate
Ticao Island, Masbate​
Boca Engano
Port Busin
Port Busainga
San Jacinto
Port San Miguel​
Good in All Weather
Good in Northeast Moonsoon (Port San Miguel)
Good in Southwest and Northeast Moonsoon (San Jacinto)​
Basey​
Canahauan Islands, Samar
Daran, Samar​
Port Aguirre
Parasan Harbor​
Good in All Weather​
Singhapala​
Cebu City, Cebu​
Cebu​
Good in All Weather​
Kangdaya​
Carmen, Cebu​
Port Bugus/Carmen​
Good in All Weather​
Kankabatok​
Tacloban, Leyte​
Tacloban​
Good in All Weather​
Malindig​
Marinduque, Mimaropa​
Santa Cruz
Port Banacalan​
Good in All Weather​
Masbate​
Masbate​
Cataingan
Masbate/Palanog
Port Barrera​
Good in All Weather​
Tanjay​
Negros Oriental​
Bombonon (Bonbonon), Capcap Cove(*)
South Bais Bay​
Good in All Weather
* - Capcap Cove probably refers to Bonbonon. In another source Report of the Philippine Commission to the President from 1900, it lists two coves Capcap and Tutuban found in the south of Negros island. Tutuban probably refers to Lutoban.​
Bago​
Negros Occidental​
Danao River​
Good in All Weather​
Sinugbohan​
IloIlo, Panay​
Iloilo City​
Good in All Weather​
Aklan or Batan​
Aklan, Panay​
Batan​
Good in All Weather​
Parpagoha​
Romblon, Romblon
Tablas, Romblon​
Romblon
Port Loog​
Good in All Weather​
Borongan​
Eastern Samar​
Borongon (Borongan)
Port Libas*
Butig (Botic) Island​
Good in All Weather
* - There are two Libas in Samar that are found in the Coast. There is a Libas in the North which should make it Catarman, but it is most likely the Port Libas in Eastern Samar.​
Marakato​
Northern Samar​
Pambujan Bay
Port Palapag​
Good in All Weather​

Luzon
The Island Group in Northernmost Luzon​
Cagayan, Cagayan Valley​
Musa Bay
Port San Pio Quinto​
Good in All Weather
Good in Northeast Monsoon​
Balabak​
Balabac, Palawan​
Calandorang Bay
Clarendon Bay
Port Ciego
San Antonio Bay​
Good in All Weather
Good in Northeast Monsoon​
Busuanga​
Culion Islands, Palawan​
Halsey Harbor
Port Vulion​
Good in All Weather​
Taytay​
Palawan​
Malampaya Bay*
Bacuit Bay​
Good in All Weather
Good in Southwest Monsoon
* - Also known as the Malampaya Sound​
Babuyan​
Palawan​
Port Barton
Puerto Princesa
Ulugan Bay​
Good in All Weather​
Aborlan​
Palawan​
Malanut Bay​
Good in All Weather​
Casiguran​
Aurora, Central Luzon​
Casiguran Bay​
Good in All Weather​
Maynila, Tondo, Hubek​
Manila​
Manila Bay
Mariveles - Hubek
Subic - Hubek​
Good in All Weather​
Himoragat​
Camarines Sur, Bicol​
Pitogo Bay
Sisiran Bay
Aluluyan Bay*​
Good in All Weather
Good in Northwest Monsoon
Good in Southwest Monsoon
* - is probably Atalayan/Atulayan Island which is also a typhoon anchorage that however, protects against the northeast winds, but not the southwest in the southeast of Himoragat (PC) in the Lagonoy Gulf. Must be a mistake in print because there is no Aluluyan mentioned anywhere else or even in old maps.​
Daet, Himoragat​
Camarines Sur, Bicol​
San Miguel Bay​
Good in All Weather​
Ibalong​
Sorsogon, Bicol​
Sorsogon
Matnog Bay
Port Gubat​
Good in All Weather
Good in Southwest Monsoon​
Botolan​
Zambales, Central Luzon​
Matalvi​
Good in All Weather​
Laillo​
Isabela, Cagayan Valley
Cagayan, Cagayan Valley​
Port Bicobian
San Vicente
Port Dimalansan​
Good in All Weather
Good in Southwest Monsoon​
Bolinao​
Pangasinan, Ilocos​
Port Bolinao
Port Sual​
Good in All Weather​
Binawangan​
Camarines Norte, Bicol​
Port Mambulao​
Good in All Weather​
Kumintang​
Batangas, Calabarzon​
Port Maricaban​
Good in All Weather​
Mulanay​
Quezon, Calabarzon​
Port Pusgo​
Good in All Weather​
Sawangan​
Albay Bicol​
Port Sula​
Good in All Weather​
Aparri​
Cagayan, Cagayan Valley​
Rio Grande de Cagayan​
Good in All Weather​
Agoo​
La Union, Ilocos​
San Fernando
Santo Tomas​
Good in Southwest Monsoon
Good in Northeast Monsoon​
Cabagbagototan​
Ilocos Sur, Ilocos​
San Esteban​
Good in Southwest Monsoon
Good in Northeast Monsoon​
Pakil​
Alabat Island, Quezon​
Port Camagon*​
Good in Northeast Monsoon
* - I can't find it in maps, but is mentioned in Cyclones of the East by Jose Algue which puts it on Alabat.​
Vigan​
Ilocos Norte, Ilocos
Ilocos Sur, Ilocos​
Port Currimao
Salomague​
Good in Northeast Monsoon​
Malukkit​
Ilocos Norte, Ilocos​
Dirique​
Good in Northeast Monsoon​
Basud​
Romblon*​
Port Concepcion​
Good in All Weather
* - Maestro de Campo is part of Romblon province, but is depicted as being part of Mindoro or the Basud location in PC​
Mangarin​
Occidental Mindoro, Mindoro​
Mangarin Bay​
Good in All Weather​
Kalapang​
Oriental Mindoro​
Puerto Galera
Varadero Bay​
Good in All Weather​
Mamburao​
Occidental Mindoro, Mindoro​
Paluan Bay​
Good in Northeast Monsoon​



Harbor Suitability should be improved:
Kuta Watu
Parang, Maguindanao​
"...is an excellent harbor, well sheltered, with an easy entrance, but with great depth of water"
"Polloc or Palac; on the E. coast of the bay of Illana...Open to the W. protected from the wind of the bay by Bonga Island before the entrance."
"(1) The bay [Parang] is large enough to shelter a large fleet of vessels
(2) There is deep water and excellent anchorage close to the shore, and piers could be constructed at low expenditure.
(3) The topographical features of the land around the bay for the planning of a large and attractive city are unusually good, the land has perfect drainage and a good slope from inland to the sea."

Alternative Resources:

It was noted by Frederic H. Sawyer in The Inhabitants of the Philippines that the country is rich in iron ore. Iron RGOs don't have to exist at the start, but some of the areas mentioned by Sawyer including Dahican, Surigao which has a natural harbor and an iron source in another source I provided should have a chance to to become Iron locations (not all of them, but a couple) given certain conditions. I propose if a location has high enough Development and certain Advancements are researched, there should be an Event that asks the player if they want to produce Iron in said location, but the output is reduced incentivizing high RGO investment and Slave labour given the Philippine archipelago's low population. To remove the debuff a certain Development level has to be reached and after some time has passed to simulate the nations growing experience and expertise in handling Iron. This isn't made any easier with the topography and terrain hampering population and development growth.

In Luzon in one of the three (Pulilan, Tondo, Kainta), the RGO will produce the typical amount due to the iron being Magnetite (70%-80%). In Surigao if it gets Iron, should remain reduced due to it's iron being Lateritic (15%-30%).


Sibugay (Same as Location)
Zamboanga
Coal can be an alternative resource.
Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago (1922)
Page 83
Coal of good qualiy has been known for a number of years to exist in the peninsula between Payuo and Malangas, and the National Development Company, with headquarters at Malangas, has been occupied for nearly two years with surveys and other preliminary work incident to mining the coal deposits which are believed to be vary extensive.


Lamitan
Basilan, Zamboanga
Lumber can be an alternative resource
Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago (1922)
Page 83
The Islands of Basilan presents very great potential opportunities for agricultural development but the immediately available resources of the province are the large forests, which are exceeded in area and value only those of Davao and Cotabato.

Sawangan
Batan, Albay
Coal can be an alternative resource
American and Her Insular Possessions
The island of Batan, which is a dependency of the Province of Albay, has been described as "a solid mass of coal."

Map Addition:

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Some contributions on natural harbor in Eastern Indonesia. List the locations that I think worth reconsidering. Mostly based on geography and present day port locations.

1. Hitu
I believe this has been mentioned in several other comments. Very enclosed bay with deep water. Might be among the region's best natural port(?)
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2. Saparua
Definitely not as good as natural harbor compared to Hitu, but it's definitely better than most coastline.
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3. Donggala and Sigi
Sheltered bay
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4. Manado
Bitung on Manado location has a very good natural harbor. Manado the other center of population on the location is probably still a decent natural harbor.
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5. Butung and Kotano Muna
Baubau on Butung location is the present day center of development but technically there are some suitable spots on Kotano Muna's side

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6. Kayeli
Sheltered bay not that good, but something
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7. Bima
Another quite sheltered bay
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8. Larantuka and Lamakera
Sheltered strait
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9. Bungabali
Both Alor and Pantar island seem to have good harbor locations
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10. Banggai
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Edit:
9. Bungabali
10. Banggai

Realized how cancer it is to see the gigantic phone screenshot on desktop version of the forum. Would make a more comprehensive suggestion after done with the islands I want to cover
 
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Another feedback for east indonesia

I didn't go through a very comprehensive look in the region, this is mostly based on personal knowledge and some internet research.

1. Resources in Kotano Muna or Butung
Could change one location resource from fish for pearl. There was some pearl trade on Buton and the area was among the first to be used by Japanese for pearl cultivation.

2. Bungabali location name and province grouping
I get the use of smaller polity to represent a location name on bigger stretch of land but for a location that's an island on it's own it comes off awkward. Especially as Bunga Bali itself doesn't seem to actually have much more significant position compared to other tribal kingdoms during that time. Would suggest using Alor instead.

Also while I'm probably affected by modern administrative division I do find that Alor is much closer to that of Flores than the rest of Barat Daya island. Would suggest grouping it as part of Flores province (East Flores when I eventually get to cover Flores).

3. Barat Daya and Aru province name
Barat Daya is Indonesian, translate to Southwest. Would suggest changing it to Tanimbar if you'd like keep the province naming convention using the largest archipelago name. Or maybe change the Aru province name to Tenggara (meaning Southeast). If you're using the archipelago group province name, would suggest changing Aru to Jargaria which is the local way of calling the island group. Personal preference for using Tanimbar instead.
4. Smaller islands chain to next Ceram.
They are closer to that of Seram than Ohoierwu location. If I were to follow modern administrative division it'll be on the line on attached image.


Upon further inspection and seeing Aru includes as far as Gorong and Watubela, and seemingly Banda as well I think using Tenggara would be better to draw parallel to that of Barat Daya. In modern day only people from Kur, Kei (Evav), and Aru that are often called as "Orang Tenggara" but to include the smaller islands chain near Ceram for this grouping is alright for the game purpose.

6. Ohoierwu location name
Similar point to Bunga Bali name. Would suggest changing it to Evav which is the local way of calling the island group. Technically part of Oceania but just putting it here due to prev point. Aru province is part of Moluccas area... So technically still Indonesia region. Bit annoying to see it got cut in such way.

7. Banda as a location
Some other comment already mentioned the significance of the location. Can be part of Seram province. Should be part of Tenggara (Aru) province.

8. Yamdena and Sangliar Dol location name
Sangliar Dol seems to be just a village on Yamdena island. And Yamdena is the name of the island. Would suggest changing it to East Yamdena and West Yamdena respectively.

9. Ternate and Tidore province name
Would suggest changing them to North Halmahera and South Halmahera. At the start date they have yet dominate the area and the name Ternate and Tidore hardly refers to Halmahera at all. Geographical naming is more appropriate for the provinces.

10. Tidore (South Halmahera) province grouping
Don't include Waigeo and Misool. Include Obi instead. The Raja Ampat islands can be it's own province or grouped with Doberai.

Raja Ampat islands is comprised of the four islands, Waigeo, Batanta, Misool, and Salawati. In current map, Misool and Salawati are combined as one location, Maden. Can be splitted to the two islands and be their own province. Salawati in particular the etymology seems to be from Islam influence which is anachronistic for the time but I can't find local name for it. But still prefer Salawati over Maden that appears to be a name of language group in the area, a word not even recognized by the locals.
https://www.laura-arnold.org/salawati.html

11. Obi, Buru, and Sula province grouping
Obi be part of Tidore (South Halmahera). Sula islands is actually three separate islands. It might not be worth making a new province but just the way it looks right now it is as if Taliabu and Mangoli islands is one stretch of land. If you decided to split, then the split from Sanana can be called Mangoli.

Then the name for the province could be Buru-Sula Would recommend to have Sula as a three location province. Mostly geographical and cultural reason.

12. Lamakera location name
Similar point to Bunga Bali, would suggest to use Solor instead.

13. Bali province name
Bali-Lombok

14. Sumbawa province name
Sumba-Sumbawa

Would continue giving more feedback on the area✌️
 

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"Pangasinan" means the land of salt or the "place of salt making", so I would change the tradegood of the 3 coastal locations (or at least 2 of them) of Caboloan/Pangasinan to Salt to represent this
 
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I came across sources on Borneo during its time as a British colony, specifically the Sabah region.
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A School Geography of the Malay Peninsula and Archipelago - "Harbours. Kudat, Papar, Sambas (diamond mining), Gaya (finest harbour in the Archipelago), Ambong, Jesselton [Kota Kinabalu] and Mempakol are all excellent Harbours"

Ports and Economic Development in Borneo - "Other good natural harbors, such as Marudu Bay (Kudat), Darvel Bau(Lahad Datu) and Cowie Harbour (Tawao) have only very limited port facilities, and would need substantial improvements in case of development of the back country."

North Borneo, Brunei, Sarawak (British Borneo) - "...that facing the Sulu and Celebes Seas is highly irregular and embraces a number of excellent natural harbors: Kudat, Sandakan, Lahad Datu and Tawau. The only good natural harbor on the South China Sea side is on Labuan Island, situated about 35 miles from the mainland in Brunei Bay."

Game LocationReal-Life LocationResourceQuoteComment
Padas​
Mempakul, Menubok
Labuan, Labuan Federal Territory​
Api Api​
Papar, Papar District
Gaya Island, Kota Kinabalu
Kampung Ambong, Kota Belud
Kota Kinabalu​
"In 1866 the late Mr. S. E. Dalrymple examined a harbour [possibly Kota Kinablu] on the mainland near Tanjong Aru and the Putatan River...'Finally the new harbour enjoys an unlimited amount of flat land to build on, stretching from the very water's edge...It is my opinion that, next to Sandakan, this will prove to be the best harbour in North Borneo, as regards size, depth, accessibility, good holding ground.'"
Kudat​
Kudat, Kudat District​
"...we enter the great Bay of Marudu...On its western shore, 11 miles from the entrance, is the excellent harbour of Kudat, at which a station has been formed by the Government."
Lahad Datu​
Lahad Datu, Lahad Datu District​
"In Labian Bay, and off Sibat, Tolibas, and Tuncu, isi good anchorage in the N.E. monsoon. At the head of Darvel Bay the north end of Saccar Island forms with the mainland a fine harbour, well protected in all weather. The soil in the district is some of the richest in Borneo. At Silam...The harbour is well sheltered, but there are as many coral banks."
Tawau​
Tawau, Tawau District​
Kota Marudu​
Pitas, Sabah​
"On the eastern shore of the bay [Marudu] there is said to be a well-sheltered deep-water harbour at Selimdapan [Salimdopon], south of the Bengkoka River, with excellent supplies of fresh water and a convenient site for a town, with land suitable for agricultural purposes in the vicinity. This harbour has not yet been surveyed."
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Was the survey ever done or completed and were there any plans at all turning it into a port? I'm limited in what I can find and am stuck to English sources.
 

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I have made earlier thread, but I think I dont post it on the right platform, so here we are :

first of all, I want to thanks to "Project Caesar" team. It came to my attention as South East Asian History enthusiast to find several points that I think need to be corrected, without further ado lets break it down :

Island of Sumatera
- the culture of Malay in the region of Palembang, should be changed to Palembangese, since Palembangese are unintelligible with peninsular Malay
- the religion of Batak people are called Parmalim
- the religion of Minangkabaunese people are Mahayana Buddhism (fun facts, the largest Buddhist statue found in Indonesia are found in Padang, central-west coast Mingangkabau
- Orang Rimba, Nias, Lampung and Rejang are following animism

Island of Java
- Overall culture is correct
- There should be Mahayana minority in area around Borobudur, Kediri, and Semarang
- Im proposing for Hindu-Buddhist syncretism system to be applied for Majapahit, its like a Hindu based religion but also venerates the Buddha
- and introduction of Mandala system, instead of vassal system for a Hindu or Buddhist kingdom in Nusantara

Island of Borneo
- the religion of Dayak people from south to central should be Kaharingan, the Dayak of the north are likely to follow animism, the Kutai follows Hinduism, and Kutai is the oldest Hindu kingdom in Nusantara
- the court language of the people of Banjar should be Banjarese, and people of Kutai are Kutainese

Island of Sulawesi
- the people of Makassar at the time are already following a syncretic Hindu religion
- the Bugis following Tolotang religion
- Torajan people following Aluk Todolo religion
- people of central Sulawesi following Lamoa religion
- people of Minahasa following Tonaas Walian

Lesser Sunda Islands & Mollucas
- tribes following animism, except people of Sumbawa following Syncretic Hinduism
- the Larantuka are the only kingdom state in east nusa tenggara region and later in 16th century they will convert to Catholicism via Portuguese traders
- the people of Moluccas are generally following Animism
- Im suggesting an chain of event for Ternate and Tidore for them to convert to Sunni islam in 16th century ( if the conditions are met: the malay kingdom in peninsular Malaya have converted to Sunni, since the first who brought Islam to Mollucas are imam from Malaya
- an event of saint Francis Xavier of Propagating Catholicism in eastern part of Nusantara in 16th century before going to propagate religion in southern Japan and Macau area, Im suggesting the system of Catholicism propagation event would follow what EUIV did as one of the conditions for such events are for Catholic states to have the 50% majority trade center in the Mollucas
- and dont forget the CLOVES to be distributed nicely across eastern part of Nusantara

Thats it, I hope this thread reach out into Tinto teams, good luck for Caesar Project !
 
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- the culture of Malay in the region of Palembang, should be changed to Palembangese, since Palembangese are unintelligible with peninsular Malay
Honestly, Malays in Sumatra should just be called Sumatran because every single one of them is different than Malay in the peninsula, but pretty "close" to other Malay cultures within the area.
 
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West Seram
NoLocationTrade goodsTopographyNatural harbor
1HitucloveshillsAmbon bay
(very good)
2Uliase/SaparuafishhillsHaria bay
(good)
3Huamualwheat/cloves/mercuryhills-
4EtilivestockhillsPiru bay
(bad)
5Talalumberhills-
6Sapalewastone/marblemountains-
7Elpaputih/AmahaiwheathillsAmahai bay
(decent)

East Seram
NoLocationTrade goodsTopographyNatural harbor
8Werinamalivestockhills-
9Warufishflatland-
10Bulafishmarsh-
11SawailumberflatlandWahai bay
(decent)
12Manuselawild gameplateau-

Vegetation: all jungle
Climate: all tropical

Changing Saparua to Uliase
Haruku, Saparua, and Nusa Laut the three islands in the location are known as Lease or Uliase Islands. I hardly find information on the history of Lease and Uliase, however the word ‘Uli’ itself often refers to a group of sorts (Uli Siwa/Uli Lima) and ‘Ase’ is likely a reference to Esa/Asa which means one. Uliase in this context could then be understood as a group of one. Also, as Lease is a word in English and I suspect that Lease is a derivative of Uliase, as such Uliase is probably a better name for the location. That said, keeping Saparua is fine.
  1. Lease Islands - Wikipedia
  2. Sejarah Kebudayaan Maluku
  3. Sejarah Perkembangan Masyarakat dan Budaya
Splitting of Latu into Eti, Tala, and Elpaputih/Amahai; Changing Sahulau to Sapalewa
This western part of Seram is traditionally called ‘Wele Telu’, the ‘Three Large Rivers’. Eti, Tala, and Sapalewa rivers are also significant in local myth. An institution of local league (Saniri Tiga Air) based on this geographical feature existed before finally abandoned due to outside influence. Instead of using Sahulau and Latu that are villages, and inaccurately positioned in case of Sahulau (Its location is closer to that of the border between current Elpaputih/Amahai and Tala location), geographical naming that is rooted in the local tradition is a better choice. Even in modern day there's an effort to make the Tala river region into a new regency under the name of Talabatai (river Tala).
  1. The Saniri Tiga Air (Seram); An Account of Its ‘Discovery’ and Interpretation Between About 1675 and 1950
  2. Sharing the Earth, Dividing the Land: Land and Territory in the Austronesian
    Ch. 7 Traditional Territorial Categories and Constituent Institutions in West Seram: The Nili Ela of ’WELE Telu Batai and the Alune Hena of Ma’saman Uwei
  3. Pemekaran Provinsi Maluku : 18 Kabupaten Kota Baru Bakal Lahir dengan Potensi Besar
Elpaputih is the name of the bay in central Seram. Amahai is the name of a village and bay on the south side of Elpaputih, a natural harbor and main port of entry to central Seram. I cannot find how long the two names have been around. Both names could work. Amahai also used as an administration center for central south Seram during the Dutch East Indies era (regentschap).
  1. Amahai, Amahai, Maluku Tengah - Wikipedia
  2. Amboina (residence) - Wikipedia
Huamual trade goods: wheat, cloves, or mercury
Huamual used to export sago. This could be represented with wheat(?). Cloves are cultivated in Huamual peninsula as it developed relations with the polities in North Maluku, at least starting in the 14th century or even earlier.
  1. Sharing the Earth, Dividing the Land: Land and Territory in the Austronesian
    Ch. 7 Traditional Territorial Categories and Constituent Institutions in West Seram: The Nili Ela of ’WELE Telu Batai and the Alune Hena of Ma’saman Uwei
  2. Sejarah Kebudayaan Maluku
There’s mercury (cinnabar) in Huamual. Very accessible leading to plenty of illegal locals mining, albeit it’s started exploited past the game timeline likely due to lack of exploration.
  1. Mereka Bertaruh Nyawa Demi Batu Cinnabar (Bagian 1)
  2. Mineralisasi Endapan Sinabar Daerah Bukit Tembaga Kecamatan Huamual, Kabupaten Seram Bagian Barat, Maluku
Sapalewa trade goods: stone or marble
Stone is given as the area is mountainous with a significant amount of limestone formation. As for marble. The resources are mostly unexploited. Even now mining faces some resistance from locals, some due to conflict over which “village” has the right over the area.
  1. Gunung Lesiela (Kasieh) dan Gunung Patola (Saweli) Pulau Seram Menyimpan Rahasia Cadangan Perkiraan Marmer Milliaran Ton
  2. Latue: Tambang Marmer Taniwel Masih Misteri
  3. Akibat Tambang Marmer, PT.Gunung Makmur Indah Picu Konflik, Antar Dua Negeri di Seram Bagian Barat
Changing Nunusaku to Sawai
I can’t really find support for the mythical kingdom of Nunusaku located in east Seram, probably encountering more implied mention of Nunusaku being located in west Seram through the direction of migration in the legends. In general, the location of Nunusaku is not clearly defined. Given its centrality in many local myths, probably a good idea not to use it as a location name. At first, I was inclined to use Wahai, which is a village in the location and has a natural harbor. It’s also used as an administration center for central north Seram during the Dutch East Indies era (regentschap).
  1. Amboina (residence) - Wikipedia
However, a court trial in 2014 about the traditional land border (Petuanan) between Sawai and Amahai reveals that in the general area there’s only three traditional villages (negeri), Sawai, Manusela, and Horale (located on eastern side of Sapalewa, could be a new location). With Amahai as the newly established one from different communities/exodus that asked for permission to use land within the traditional border of Sawai in 16th century. As such Sawai is a more proper name for the area.
  1. Putusan PN MASOHI 1/PDT.G/2014/PN.MSH
Splitting Sawai (Nunusaku) to create Manusela
Mostly to depict the plateau on the central east of the island. There are relatively isolated communities living there. Manusela is the name of an acknowledged traditional village and local language. Also used as the name of a national park in present day Indonesia. The wikipedia page mentioned Manusela as another name for Wahai people, but based on the trial result I suspect it’s a misunderstanding that got carried on in Wikipedia.
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  1. Putusan PN MASOHI 1/PDT.G/2014/PN.MSH
  2. Manusela National Park - Wikipedia
  3. Manusela language - Wikipedia
Bula topography: swampland; Splitting Bula and Werinama to create Waru
Referring to maps that mention wetlands in the Bula area. And to depict a drier flat area on the easternmost part of Seram. Also, Waru bay is a prominent geographical feature.
  1. Pragmatism, identity, and the state: How the Nuaulu of Seram have reinvented their beliefs and practices as “religion”
Development
Huamual, Hitu, and Elpaputih/Amahai would have slightly higher development than the rest (highest development in central Maluku) simply for being the area frequented by spice traders. Huamual would later lead as Ternate gained prominence, and Huamual became a “tributary” of the sultanate. Eventually, Hitu slowly overtook Huamual when Hitu was used as the base by the Portuguese and Dutch, especially after the Huamual war. However, at the game's starting date similar development for the Hitu and Huamual, and trailed by Elpaputih/Amahai is likely appropriate.
  1. Sejarah Kebudayaan Maluku
  2. Huamual, the heart of Maluku’s spice trail - The Jakarta Post
Population
I suspect the current population in the Tinto Map is just placeholder based on the very uniformed distribution. Would encourage checking the following document. I don’t speak Dutch.
  1. Reis door de Minahassa en den Molukschen arcipel, gedaan in de maanden sept. en okt. 1855 : Bleeker, P. (Pieter), 1819-1878
Language/Culture
Goodluck? But for sure using "Timoric" which seem to be a stand in for Central Malayo-Polynesian isn't really the way for representing language in the area. At best it's a language family. I think using Seramese language for the island of Seram would be okay(?). There's plenty local language but I doubt it's helpful to portray them...
  1. Central Malayo-Polynesian languages - Wikipedia
 
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North Halmahera
NoLocationTrade goodsTopographyNatural harborOwner
1Ternatecloveshills-Ternate (capital)
2JailoloclovesflatlandJailolo bay
(decent)
Jailolo (capital)
3Lolodalumberhills-Loloda (capital)
4Morotaifishmountains-Moro
5Morotia/Tobeloriceflatland-Moro (capital)
6Kaofruits/pearls/goldflatland-Jailolo
7WasilelumberhillsWasile bay
(good)
Jailolo
8Mabastonemountains-Jailolo

South Halmahera
NoLocationTrade goodsTopographyNatural harborOwner
9Tidorecloveshills-Tidore (capital)
10Obalumberhills-Jailolo
11BacancloveshillsLabuha bay
(decent)
Bacan (capital)
12Obiwild gamemountainsJikotamo bay
(good)
Obi (capital)
13Ganefruits (pinang)hillsGane Dalem Bay
(good)
Jailolo
14Wedalivestockhills-Jailolo
15Patani-Gebemedicamentshills-Jailolo
Vegetation: all jungle
Climate: all tropical

Change Daratan to Morotia/Tobelo
The Moro kingdom has holdings on the mainland of Halmahera (Moro Daratan/Morotia) and on an island (Moro Laut/Morotai). To name the location “Daratan” is basically naming the province “Land” in Indonesian. Proper name for that time would be Morotia or Tobelo. Tobelo is the name of a settlement and language in modern day. In my opinion Morotia is probably a more proper name.
  1. Sejarah Kepulauan Rempah-Rempah
  2. The World of Maluku: eastern Indonesia in the early modern period
  3. Tobelo - Wikipedia
Splitting Jailolo and Daratan (Morotia/Tobelo) to add Kao; Kao trade goods: fruits, pearls, or gold
Kao is generally important for Ternate and Tidore as the connector to the eastern side of the island. Later on in the 20th they found a very significant gold deposit in the Kao area (Gosowong gold mine). Another out of timeline resource discovery but I think it's interesting to point out.
  1. Sejarah Kepulauan Rempah-Rempah
  2. Discovery and exploration of the Gosowong epithermal gold deposit, Halmahera, Indonesia - ScienceDirect
Kau is the most important village in these regions, because of the pearl-fishing as well as the trade with the Alfurus along the navigable river. The district of Kau also extends over the whole coastal area between the rivers Gonga and Paceda Dumdum, with a population estimated at approximately five hundred followers of Islam and more than four thousand Alfurus.
  1. Ternate: The Residency and its Sultanate (Bijdragen tot de kennis der Residentie Ternate)
Splitting Weda and Maba to add Patani-Gebe; Patani-Gene trade goods: medicaments
Weda, Patani, and Maba (often include Gebe) are collectively known as Gam Range/Gamrange. They are an autonomous region under the Tidore Sultanate and hold a role in connecting the trade to Raja Ampat and Papua’s birdhead peninsula. Though they're not under Tidore at the game start. Gebe island is too small and such merging it with Patani seems reasonable, especially as there are other Patani in the Malay peninsula. Gebe in the 18th century was also a preferred exchange point for Bugis and English traders in so-called Pitt's route (Referring to strait between Salawati and Batanta island).
  1. Sejarah - Kabupaten Halmahera Tengah Sejarah
  2. Local Trade Networks in Maluku in 16th, 17th, and 18th Century
Patani in particular holds the reputation as best in wielding magic/supernatural power, including to heal ailments. I think giving them medicaments is a neat way to represent that.
  1. Sejarah Kepulauan Rempah-Rempah
Splitting Tidore and Gane to add Oba
Gane is the area on southern peninsula of Halmahera. Oba is the area of the mainland Halmahera located east of Tidore.
  1. Tidore - Wikipedia
Obi owned by Obi
Obi claimed to have had its own rulers in the beginning of the fourteenth century who were no less important than those of the four major Malukan kingdoms. Although it never achieved the status of the four, its royal family regularly intermarried with Ternate 's. At some unknown date Obi fell under the control of Bacan.
  1. The World of Maluku: eastern Indonesia in the early modern period
Gane producing fruits
Gane is noted for abundance of pinang and sago.
  1. The World of Maluku: eastern Indonesia in the early modern period
Bacan topography to hills
Most of the island isn’t that steep and mountainous

Political landscape in Halmahera
“As first described by the Dutch in 1662, Tidore's structure appears to have been similar to that of Ternate. The sultan was basically the head of a clan whose influence did not extend far beyond the boundaries of the royal settlement. The other villages on the island were linked in a loose alliance to the center, but the sultan had little real power to enforce his will on these villages or on other territories which formed part of Tidore's realm.”
  1. The World of Maluku: eastern Indonesia in the early modern period
“Van Fraassen cautions against identifying the historic acquisition of dependencies by Ternate, in the period 1500-1900, as total military submission or complete control of the subjugated areas. Still, a successful raid for plunder did in many cases form the basis for a lasting but unenforced claim to sovereignty. Any region that ranked as a subordinate to a claimed dependency was then also considered an (indirect) dependency of Ternate. He also notes that the Ternatese sultanate expanded by intervening in internal conflicts; and also sometimes by opposing, and sometimes by joining forces with, European powers in battles for conquest of surrounding islands.”
  1. Ternate: The Residency and its Sultanate (Bijdragen tot de kennis der Residentie Ternate)
“While on the one hand the dependencies were often viewed and treated by Ternate as conquered provinces, on the other hand Ternate was seldom capable of exercising effective control and real authority over them. For instance in the eighteenth century Ternate was unable to prevent all sorts of piracy from East Halmahera and from Sula-Banggai. Additionally, the local governors of the Sultan often behaved as independent petty rulers, knowing very well that their Lord the Sultan was at a safe distance. Its limited power resources made it impossible for Ternate effectively to control, rule and exploit, by the exercise of power alone, the widely dispersed subject areas. So, the relation between Ternate and its dependencies was certainly not based purely on the exercise of power. As indicated at the beginning of this section, Ternate was also a prestigious political and cultural centre towards which less-developed regions oriented themselves.”
  1. Halmahera and Beyond: Social Science Research in the Moluccas
This might justify having the locations as their own tag or generally giving malus to Jailolo’s control.
 
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1Kayeliwheat/goldflatlandNamlea bay
(good)
2Wae SamafishmountainsNamrole bay
(very bad)
3MasaretelumberhillsTifu bay
(good)
4LiselafishmountainsBara bay
(bad)
5Ranawild gamemountains-
Vegetation: all jungle
Climate: all tropical

Split Tifu, Kayeli, and Bara to add Rana; Split Tifu to Sama and Masarete; Rename Bara to Lisela
Names associated with general territories and dialect names involve geographical terms. For example “Rete” in Masarete, the region of south-central Buru, is the Lisela dialect term for 'up, upward, high(land)'. Lisela itself means 'the language spoken upstream/up the coast', from sela 'upstream', and li cliticised from lie-t 'language/sound from throat'. Rana (PMP *danaw 'lake'), as mentioned above, is the region associated with the big lake in the centre of the island. Wae Sama means 'the river(s) divided off' referring to the south-east part of the island separated off from the four main river systems.

While my first instinct is to drop Wae (river) in Wae Sama thinking it was referring to a river name Sama, but the reasoning behind the name makes me certain that keeping Wae is the right decision.

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  1. The Buru Language of Eastern Indonesia
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  1. Sharing the Earth, Dividing the Land: Land and Territory in the Austronesian
    Chapter 6. Mapping Buru: The Politics of Territory and Settlement on an Eastern Indonesian Island
Kayeli trade goods: wheat/gold
Buru doesn’t have any native cloves and for a long time wasn’t a center of interest in the spice trade. Sago cultivation is likely the main source of food there. Once again represented through wheat.
  1. Sharing the Earth, Dividing the Land: Land and Territory in the Austronesian
    Chapter 6. Mapping Buru: The Politics of Territory and Settlement on an Eastern Indonesian Island
Then in 2011 there’s gold found in Mt. Botak lead to spurt of illegal artisanal mining.
  1. Characterisation of artisanal mine waste on Buru Island, Indonesia and toxicity to the brittle star Amphipholis squamata
  2. Recent mercury contamination from artisanal gold mining on Buru Island, Indonesia – Potential future risks to environmental health and food safety
Masarete topography: hills
Masarete on sulphurologist topography is mostly indicated as hills. Also the area isn't as steep in comparison to other part of the island, based on the general observation.

Split Sula to be their own province
Three locations for Sula province

Population/Culture
The inner area of the island hosts the majority of native Buru unlike the coast that are often populated by people from the other islands. The exact point the coast of Buru started getting “colonized” by people from Seram, Buton/Butung, Bugis, and other islands around isn’t clear, however.
  1. The Buru Language of Eastern Indonesia
 
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Sula
NoLocationTrade goodsTopographyNatural harbor
1SananafruithillsSanana inlet(?)
(bad)
2Mangolilumber/ironhillsFalabisahaya bay
(decent)
3Taliabufish/ironmountains-
Vegetation: all jungle
Climate: all tropical

Split Sanana to add Mangoli
Just to follow the geography of the archipelago. Each major island being its own location. Do make Mangoli and Taliabu separated instead of connected as a single land mass.

Taliabu trade goods: fish or iron
+70% of the island is now under some iron mining companies mining license. There’s lots of iron on the island. But again exploited after the timeline.
  1. Gawat! 70 Persen Pulau Taliabu Dikuasai Perusahaan Tambang
Mangoli trade goods: lumber or iron
+50% of the island is now under some iron mining companies mining license. There’s lots of iron on the island. But again exploited after the timeline.
  1. Wow! 10 Perusahaan Tambang Kuasai Setengah Lahan Pulau Mangoli
 
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Tenggara
NoLocationTrade goodsTopographyNatural harborTag owner
1Wokamfishmarsh-
2Kobrorwild gamemarsh-
3Tranganpearlsmarsh-
4Workaypearlsmarsh-
5EvavlumberflatlandsTual and Debut/Letvuan
(decent)
6Gorong-Watubelafishhills-
7BandacloveshillsBanda strait
(good)
Banda
Vegetation: all jungle
Climate: all tropical

Province name to Tenggara
Given how the province will have to cover Banda to Aru using Tenggara which is a parallel to Barat Daya is acceptable. Ceramese and Ambonese call people from this area (excluding Banda technically) orang Tenggara or "southeast people".

Changing Ohoierwu/Ohoiewur to Evav; Evav topography: flatland; Evav trade goods: Lumber
The modern name would be Kei, but that seems to be mostly derived from the Portuguese name for the archipelago. Evav is the way locals refer to themselves. Ohoi roughly translates to “village”. Not really the proper way to refer to the islands.
  1. Kai Islands - Wikipedia
  2. MANUSIA KEI: Dari Perkawinan sampai Kematian
On topography, while the Kai Besar/Kei Besar Island is hilly, Kei Kecil is extremely flat. Combined area of Kei Kecil and other nearby flat islands is larger than that of Kei Besar.

Keise or Evav people are well known for woodwork, especially boats. Also, while I cannot find further information on lumber production other than Adolf Langen, a German who establish a sawmill company in the area in 1880-ish, the area was told to be known for having excellent stocks “Kayu besi” or iron wood. It got overly exploited to the degree they’re no longer commonly found.
“Their prahus were made by the Kai islanders, whose boats were noted throughout the eastern part of the archipelago for the excellence and beauty of their workmanship.”
  1. Trade and Society in the Banda Islands in the Sixteenth Century
  2. MANUSIA KEI: Dari Perkawinan sampai Kematian
  3. Selling the Sea, Fishing for Power
Splitting Kobroor to add Workay
Pearls are harvested by the native population mostly come from eastern part of Aru islands. Wokam and to a certain extent Kobroor (“West” Aru) is an area that is that got settled by immigrants (non-native Aru). The typical traders are Buginese/Makassarese and Butung/Buton. Following that the island has slightly different economical characteristics with interdependency between the communities.
  1. On the Margins of Colonialism: Contact Zones in the Aru Islands
Wokam Trade Goods: Fish
Aru with its massive mangrove forest is basically a major fish breeding spot. Pearls is changed to fish to depict the different interaction in the communities and better represent abundance of fish in the area.
  1. On the Margins of Colonialism: Contact Zones in the Aru Islands
  2. 7 Interesting Facts of Aru Islands - Forest Watch Indonesia
Topography of all Aru to marshlands; All Aru location set as separate islands
Aru archipelago is a collection of many low-lying islands, The “straits” (those that look like rivers) and effectively the entire coastline of Aru is covered by thick mangrove forest. Even in modern day there’s no road infrastructure to connect the islands, so building roads during the game’s timeline is out of question. Developing the land is a tremendous challenge. To depict difficulty in controlling the islands I think it’s important to properly set them as separate islands and have the marshland topography.
  1. Aru Islands Regency - Wikipedia
  2. Aru connections: Outback Indonesia in the modern world
Gorong-Watubela name
Gorong-Watubela refers to two archipelagos covered by the location.

Banda as a tag owning Banda
Arguments could be made that Banda is an oligarchic democracy (republic) ruled by the rich men involved in the spice trade.
“They have neither king nor lord, and all their government depends on the advice of their elders: and as these are often at variance, they quarrel among themselves” (John Crawfurd 1856: 34-35). It is likely that the Portuguese merchants had encountered the two-party system in Banda, under which the Orlima and the Orsia would gather at the neutral village Ortatta to discuss nutmeg prices together. This form of public debate, one could say democratic decision making, must have been foreign to the Portuguese who came from a hierarchical monarchy where authority was to be obeyed.”
  1. Shifting the historical narrative of the Banda Islands: From colonial violence to local resilience
"Authority in the Banda Islands seems to have derived from wealth (hence the term orang kaya—rich man), which in turn was partly determined by the number of people whom an orang kaya had at his command to cultivate the communal land on his behalf. As commercial activity increased in the Banda Islands and the price of nutmeg and mace rose in overseas markets, so the orang kaya developed into a kind of mercantile aristocracy collectively controlling a group of very small but prosperous coastal communities.

There is no doubt that the reason why the Portuguese found it impossible to establish any kind of military or commercial settlement in the Banda Islands, still less to gain a monopoly of the spice trade, and why later the Dutch had to resort to force, was that they were confronted by a cohesive and united group of orang kaya, whose authority derived from popular consent

It seems that only in the Banda Islands did these chiefs act in concert either to impose political control or for their joint economic advantage. Elsewhere, the chiefs were in a constant state of conflict, if not of open warfare, with each other."
  1. Trade and Society in the Banda Islands in the Sixteenth Century
The society at least comparatively to most of Moluccan are well connected to the larger international trade and arguably have the capability able to set up the facility needed to cultivate nutmeg and maintain a safe anchoring of the merchant ships coming to their islands.

Given the genocide and effectively a cultural erasure of Bandanese in 17th century, the traces on working of taxation, record keeping, and or law system isn’t available. However, for the sake of gameplay and inferring from the available information, I think it’s appropriate to have Banda as a playable tag.
 
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Calling the region Maritime Southeast Asia would be better than Indonesia. Bit mouthful yes, but more appropriate given Indonesia as a construct is basically non existent at that time.

Also, really hope you'd break down the massive Indonesian coast and Southeast Asian coast to smaller seas... And that South China coast, better write as South China Sea
 
Calling the region Maritime Southeast Asia would be better than Indonesia. Bit mouthful yes, but more appropriate given Indonesia as a construct is basically non existent at that time.
This seems weird to me, neither the name "Indonesia" nor the name "Maritime Southeast Asia" were used during the game's time period. Even though the country of Indonesia did not exist back then, the region shown in this tinto maps was definitely a recognisable "cultural sphere".
 
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This seems weird to me, neither the name "Indonesia" nor the name "Maritime Southeast Asia" were used during the game's time period. Even though the country of Indonesia did not exist back then, the region shown in this tinto maps was definitely a recognisable "cultural sphere".
Are we talking about something in-game? "Indonesia" is just the name that was used for this thread.
Maybe it's used as the name for the sub-continent in-game? But we don't know. Either way, "East Indies" would probably be the most historically appropriate term to use in-game.
 
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