Tinto Maps #4 - 31th of May 2024 - Poland, Ruthenia, Baltic

[Pavía]

Hello everyone, and welcome to the fourth Tinto Maps! The feedback that we've received so far has been great, and there will be news soon regarding the map fixes that we've already done.

This week we are showing you Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Let’s check it with no further ado:

Countries

A bigger picture of what’s going on in this region today, as we hadn’t shown it entirely before. To the west, the Kingdom of Poland is ruled by Casimir III of the House of Piast. It is not a completely unified kingdom, as there are several powerful vassals under him, most of them also Piasts themselves.

To the east, the Duchy of Lithuania is ruled by Gediminas, who has greatly expanded the influence of the country into Russian lands (side note: Gediminas entitled himself in his diplomatic correspondence ‘king’, but was considered by the Pope ‘king or duke’, and the title of Grand Duke wouldn’t be formally adopted until later [most likely replicating the Russian title ‘Grand Prince’]. That’s why Lithuania starts as a Duchy, although it will have an event that would make it possible to adopt the dynamic country name of ‘Grand Duchy’).

To the south, the principalities of Kyiv and Galicia-Volhynia have recently fallen under foreign influence, the first ruled by Theodor, brother of Gediminas of Lithuania; and the second by Yuri II, also from the Piast dynasty.

To the north, the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, which conquered the lands of Prussia and Livonia a century ago, are at war against Poland and Lithuania, after a long-established rivalry.

Also, a side note: we will talk about Moldavia in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Carpathian region, as it’s currently in a ‘placeholder’ spot.

A new map mode, the Diplomatic one! The game starts with an ongoing war between Poland, Lithuania, and their respective vassals, on one side, and the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, and Bohemia and its vassals, on the other.

Locations

Here you have the locations of Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Some issues that have already been reported by our Polish coworkers are the inconsistencies in the location naming in Polish (we’ll use proper Polish letters more thoroughly), and we’ve also started to review both the Polish and Baltic locations based on the early feedback you gave us. Oh, also, the Vistula and Curonian Lagoons missing is a bug, we’ll properly re-add them while doing the map review.

Provinces

Any suggestions for provincial naming are pretty welcome, as in the last DD!

Terrain

Cultures

The Baltic lands have an interesting mix of different cultures. ‘Western Baltic’ culture represents the people speaking a West Baltic language (Old Prussians, Yotvingians, Curonians, etc.), while ‘Prussian’ is the culture of the German settlers of that area; on that style, we have a ‘Baltic German’ culture in the lands of Livonia and Estonia that also got settled by German-speaking people. The divide between Polish, Ruthenian, and Aukstaitian might be too deep, so we will most likely add a bit more mixed situation in the borders between these cultures.

Religions

A region with a more interesting religious setup! Apart from the Catholic-Orthodox divide, you can also see the Romuva religion, which was a hot topic in 1337 (shall the Dukes of Lithuania convert to Catholicism, or stay Pagan?). Red stripes to the north are other Animist populations. Also, disregard the Sunni region to the southeast, as we have to review all the pops of the Pontic Steppes, as well.

Raw Goods

From the distribution of the materials, maybe a couple of things might catch your eye. The first is that there’s an Amber good present on the shores of the Baltic Sea. The second is that the Tatra Mountains, in Slovakia, have a bunch of precious metals, which makes them a very interesting area to exploit and develop.

Population

The population of the region is divided into country and location views. Two notes: The total population of Estonia is not 711K people, that’s the total for its owner, Denmark. Second, we’ve read your feedback regarding the population map mode, and we’ll take a look at how to improve the visualization of the data, making it better for you.

EDIT: Markets

And that’s all for today! The region that we'll show next week is Italy! Cheers!

 

[Pavía]

Am i forgoting something, but is it the first time (exepet the "alternate start date in EU4") that the game start and there is war ongoing ?

i don't think there is any of those in EU4 and we can maybe extend this to others games like Vic 3, CK3 or even HOI4 witch is insane when we talk of a game on the 2nd world war.

And with this info, i think we can expect other "wars on the start date" in the rest of the world ? am i right ?

It's possible to have X number of 'wars on the start date' scripted in the setup, yes.

 

[Pavía]

Can we expect Kashubian dynamic province names?

If we receive feedback about it, it might be possible.

 

[Pavía]

Shouldn't poland start with alliance or at least inheritance pact with Hungary ?

There's some content related to the Union of Crowns with Hungary, yes.

 

[Pavía]

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Two screenshots were edited into one.

 

[Pavía]

You mentioned Slovakia. Does that mean you want feedback about it here or is it included in the Carpathians?

Better in the Carpathians Tinto Maps.

 

[Pavía]

Is there any reason Estonia isn't pagan or atleast have considerable pagan minorities?

There would be an uprising not long after game start and the natives renounced Christianity.

We might have to add a few more Pagan pops there, aye.

 

[Pavía]

Question, if you can answer, how will the game handle things like the Ostsiedlung? Obviously as a fan of Prussia, I’d like to Germanize it, but Johan specifically stated that population is only a feature going on in the background? Can you can confirm if it’s interactable either by event, mechanic, or just dynamically? My other fear, which hasn’t been talked about is how could it be balanced where the Greek minorities in Anatolia stick around, while old Prussians don’t. Thanks!

There's content portraying the German migrations to the East. Also, Old Prussians are covered, but under the 'Western Baltic' culture.

 

[Pavía]

First Johan/Pavia thanks for everything.

Not knowledgeable enough about the Baltic to comment anything specific but my gut is saying there should be more hills in the west.

Additionally can you provide a list of all regions you will cover (of course I expect the order is very TBD)? And or could you give a teaser of how many tags there are in Project Caesar?

Since we are now in the west of Europe, will Sephardic and Ashkenzi Jews be seperate or is that too granular?

1. The entire world.
2. Sephardic and Ashkenazi are different cultures.

 

[Pavía]

Is livonian order vassal of Teutons?

No, they're independent orders.

 

[Pavía]

Why is memel not a square

Good question...

 

[Pavía]

For future TMs, could you provide alongside the political map a list of abbreviations in order to better understand which countries there are on the map? I imagine that with italian map next week there will be an enourms amount a countries with just one location or two.

Hmm, maybe, although there are a lot of countries in Italy... It's a good idea to ask if you want to know about a specific country, in any case.

 

[Pavía]

Will Province name discussions have its own Thread or should it be posted on the Tinto Maps thread?

In this thread, which we review each week to later implement the feedback.

 

[Pavía]

No Trade Map today?

 

[Pavía]

Will there only be one Indian Tinto Map? And how much longer must I suffer

Yes.

 

[Pavía]

Could you reveal what the ethnic minorities in central Poland are please

Germans and Ashkenazi.

 

[Pavía]

Is livonian order vassal of Teutons?

No, they're independent orders.

As someone from the team has pointed out to me, I'll correct what I've just said (lol): the Livonian Order starts as a vassal of the Teutonic Order; sorry for the confusion.

 

[Pavía]

I have a question a few weeks ago when we saw Iberia, more particularly Zaragoza/Saraqusta, will we have dynamic location names for all countries in this game? Obviously Zaragoza will have a particular name if it is controlled by France/Al-Andalus/Spain/England, but my question is more focused on whether, for example, you could even invent a name for Paris in Aztec/Chinese/Indian or create a random naming system for provinces that are not in the area of historical influence of a culture. In other games that have nothing to do with Project Caesar, such as EU4, there are mods that do this job and I would like you to think about this possibility, even if not at the release of the game.

That's too deep, we will focus on covering historical naming as much as possible (and I doubt that we'll be able to cover all the possible combinations, in honesty, as you might notice that we have a lot of locations and a lot of cultures...).

 

[Pavía]

Hope Transylvania gets attention

In the Carpathian Tinto Maps, yes.

 

[Pavía]

So you do always read also old tinto maps?

Yes, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to ask for feedback.