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Tinto Maps #4 - 31th of May 2024 - Poland, Ruthenia, Baltic

Hello everyone, and welcome to the fourth Tinto Maps! The feedback that we've received so far has been great, and there will be news soon regarding the map fixes that we've already done.

This week we are showing you Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Let’s check it with no further ado:

Countries
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A bigger picture of what’s going on in this region today, as we hadn’t shown it entirely before. To the west, the Kingdom of Poland is ruled by Casimir III of the House of Piast. It is not a completely unified kingdom, as there are several powerful vassals under him, most of them also Piasts themselves.

To the east, the Duchy of Lithuania is ruled by Gediminas, who has greatly expanded the influence of the country into Russian lands (side note: Gediminas entitled himself in his diplomatic correspondence ‘king’, but was considered by the Pope ‘king or duke’, and the title of Grand Duke wouldn’t be formally adopted until later [most likely replicating the Russian title ‘Grand Prince’]. That’s why Lithuania starts as a Duchy, although it will have an event that would make it possible to adopt the dynamic country name of ‘Grand Duchy’).

To the south, the principalities of Kyiv and Galicia-Volhynia have recently fallen under foreign influence, the first ruled by Theodor, brother of Gediminas of Lithuania; and the second by Yuri II, also from the Piast dynasty.

To the north, the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, which conquered the lands of Prussia and Livonia a century ago, are at war against Poland and Lithuania, after a long-established rivalry.

Also, a side note: we will talk about Moldavia in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Carpathian region, as it’s currently in a ‘placeholder’ spot.


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A new map mode, the Diplomatic one! The game starts with an ongoing war between Poland, Lithuania, and their respective vassals, on one side, and the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, and Bohemia and its vassals, on the other.

Locations
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Here you have the locations of Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Some issues that have already been reported by our Polish coworkers are the inconsistencies in the location naming in Polish (we’ll use proper Polish letters more thoroughly), and we’ve also started to review both the Polish and Baltic locations based on the early feedback you gave us. Oh, also, the Vistula and Curonian Lagoons missing is a bug, we’ll properly re-add them while doing the map review.

Provinces
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Any suggestions for provincial naming are pretty welcome, as in the last DD!

Terrain
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Cultures
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The Baltic lands have an interesting mix of different cultures. ‘Western Baltic’ culture represents the people speaking a West Baltic language (Old Prussians, Yotvingians, Curonians, etc.), while ‘Prussian’ is the culture of the German settlers of that area; on that style, we have a ‘Baltic German’ culture in the lands of Livonia and Estonia that also got settled by German-speaking people. The divide between Polish, Ruthenian, and Aukstaitian might be too deep, so we will most likely add a bit more mixed situation in the borders between these cultures.

Religions
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A region with a more interesting religious setup! Apart from the Catholic-Orthodox divide, you can also see the Romuva religion, which was a hot topic in 1337 (shall the Dukes of Lithuania convert to Catholicism, or stay Pagan?). Red stripes to the north are other Animist populations. Also, disregard the Sunni region to the southeast, as we have to review all the pops of the Pontic Steppes, as well.

Raw Goods
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From the distribution of the materials, maybe a couple of things might catch your eye. The first is that there’s an Amber good present on the shores of the Baltic Sea. The second is that the Tatra Mountains, in Slovakia, have a bunch of precious metals, which makes them a very interesting area to exploit and develop.

Population
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The population of the region is divided into country and location views. Two notes: The total population of Estonia is not 711K people, that’s the total for its owner, Denmark. Second, we’ve read your feedback regarding the population map mode, and we’ll take a look at how to improve the visualization of the data, making it better for you.

EDIT: Markets
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And that’s all for today! The region that we'll show next week is Italy! Cheers!
 
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Bohemia alone, as in the region, not the crown, having a higher population than Poland is wild to me. Surely there will be no wacky events happening there that would change this ratio for centuries to come...
 
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Will Casimir and Louis of Hungary heirs be scripted ? The fact that Louis inherited poland and then split his kingdoms beetween doughters that maried forreign rulers (Sigismund ang Jogaila) was very important for history of Europe (Lithuanian christianisation, and polish-lithuanian, hungarian-bohemian unions)
 
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Is there any reason Estonia isn't pagan or atleast have considerable pagan minorities?

There would be an uprising not long after game start and the natives renounced Christianity.
 
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After rushing "la Mancha" or 'Intal" in EU4, you can be sure that the "no CB HUNGARY" for just Slovakia is gonna be a thing in "Project Cesar" :D, its gonna be a strat or something, its so strong even for someone at the oposit side of Europe
 
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Shouldn't poland start with alliance or at least inheritance pact with Hungary ?
There's some content related to the Union of Crowns with Hungary, yes.
 
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Am i forgoting something, but is it the first time (exepet the "alternate start date in EU4") that the game start and there is war ongoing ?

i don't think there is any of those in EU4 and we can maybe extend this to others games like Vic 3, CK3 or even HOI4 witch is insane when we talk of a game on the 2nd world war.

And with this info, i think we can expect other "wars on the start date" in the rest of the world ? am i right ?
Italy is literally at war in the hoi4 '36 start.
 
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Hello everyone, and welcome to the fourth Tinto Maps! The feedback that we've received so far has been great, and there will be news soon regarding the map fixes that we've already done.

This week we are showing you Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Let’s check it with no further ado:

Countries
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A bigger picture of what’s going on in this region today, as we hadn’t shown it entirely before. To the west, the Kingdom of Poland is ruled by Casimir III of the House of Piast. It is not a completely unified kingdom, as there are several powerful vassals under him, most of them also Piasts themselves.

To the east, the Duchy of Lithuania is ruled by Gediminas, who has greatly expanded the influence of the country into Russian lands (side note: Gediminas entitled himself in his diplomatic correspondence ‘king’, but was considered by the Pope ‘king or duke’, and the title of Grand Duke wouldn’t be formally adopted until later [most likely replicating the Russian title ‘Grand Prince’]. That’s why Lithuania starts as a Duchy, although it will have an event that would make it possible to adopt the dynamic country name of ‘Grand Duchy’).

To the south, the principalities of Kyiv and Galicia-Volhynia have recently fallen under foreign influence, the first ruled by Theodor, brother of Gediminas of Lithuania; and the second by Yuri II, also from the Piast dynasty.

To the north, the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, which conquered the lands of Prussia and Livonia a century ago, are at war against Poland and Lithuania, after a long-established rivalry.

Also, a side note: we will talk about Moldavia in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Carpathian region, as it’s currently in a ‘placeholder’ spot.


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A new map mode, the Diplomatic one! The game starts with an ongoing war between Poland, Lithuania, and their respective vassals, on one side, and the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, and Bohemia and its vassals, on the other.

Locations
View attachment 1141100
Here you have the locations of Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Some issues that have already been reported by our Polish coworkers are the inconsistencies in the location naming in Polish (we’ll use proper Polish letters more thoroughly), and we’ve also started to review both the Polish and Baltic locations based on the early feedback you gave us. Oh, also, the Vistula and Curonian Lagoons missing is a bug, we’ll properly re-add them while doing the map review.

Provinces
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Any suggestions for provincial naming are pretty welcome, as in the last DD!

Terrain
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Cultures
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The Baltic lands have an interesting mix of different cultures. ‘Western Baltic’ culture represents the people speaking a West Baltic language (Old Prussians, Yotvingians, Curonians, etc.), while ‘Prussian’ is the culture of the German settlers of that area; on that style, we have a ‘Baltic German’ culture in the lands of Livonia and Estonia that also got settled by German-speaking people. The divide between Polish, Ruthenian, and Aukstaitian might be too deep, so we will most likely add a bit more mixed situation in the borders between these cultures.

Religions
View attachment 1141112
A region with a more interesting religious setup! Apart from the Catholic-Orthodox divide, you can also see the Romuva religion, which was a hot topic in 1337 (shall the Dukes of Lithuania convert to Catholicism, or stay Pagan?). Red stripes to the north are other Animist populations. Also, disregard the Sunni region to the southeast, as we have to review all the pops of the Pontic Steppes, as well.

Raw Goods
View attachment 1141113
From the distribution of the materials, maybe a couple of things might catch your eye. The first is that there’s an Amber good present on the shores of the Baltic Sea. The second is that the Tatra Mountains, in Slovakia, have a bunch of precious metals, which makes them a very interesting area to exploit and develop.

Population
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The population of the region is divided into country and location views. Two notes: The total population of Estonia is not 711K people, that’s the total for its owner, Denmark. Second, we’ve read your feedback regarding the population map mode, and we’ll take a look at how to improve the visualization of the data, making it better for you.

And that’s all for today! The region that we'll show next week is Italy! Cheers!
Question, if you can answer, how will the game handle things like the Ostsiedlung? Obviously as a fan of Prussia, I’d like to Germanize it, but Johan specifically stated that population is only a feature going on in the background? Can you can confirm if it’s interactable either by event, mechanic, or just dynamically? My other fear, which hasn’t been talked about is how could it be balanced where the Greek minorities in Anatolia stick around, while old Prussians don’t. Thanks!
 
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Dzień dobry!

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As a Pole, I would like to praise the fact that the cultural situation (even Rusyn is there!!!) in this region is really well presented and that the density of locations and provinces does not differ from the rest of Europe. Above I presented suggestions for new cultures and minor corrections to the area of cultural dominance. Suggests adding the following Cultures:

Poland

Add Masovian and Goral cultures. Optionally, you can divide Polish culture into: Lesser-Polish and Greater-Polish - with the possibility of uniting them into Old Polish (Old Polish can combine with Masovian culture into Polish).

Baltic & Lithuania

Delete of the Western Baltic culture and add Sudovian and Curonian cultures. While on the subject of the Balts, I believe that it should be possible to combine Aukstaitians and Samogitians into Lithuanian culture.

Ruthenia

Split of the Ruthenian culture into:
  1. White Ruthenian
  2. Red Ruthenian
  3. Kyivan Ruthenian
  4. Polesian?
White Ruthenian and Polesian can merge into Belarusian culture. Similarly, Red Ruthenian and Kyivan Ruthenian can merge into Ukrainian culture.

Provinces

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  1. It is necessary to add new provinces in Upper Silesia: Bytom, Pszczyna and Racibórz. Together with Opole, Opava and Těšín would form a new region: Upper Silesia.
  2. Zielona Góra should be a new province of Lower Silesia. Together with Głogów, Legnica and Wrocław would form a Lower Silesia region.
  3. Wizna should be rename into Łomża and Białystok should be renamed into Drohiczyn or Podlasie.
  4. Rename Kozienice into Radom and Pajęczno into Piotrków / or Piotrków Trybunalski
  5. Rename Ragnit into Memel.
  6. Rename Lipno into Dobrzyń.
  7. Rename some Greater Poland provinces: Kalisz into Konin, Koźmin into Kalisz and Kościan into Wschowa.

Locations (new ones & correction of names)

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Brand new locations:
  1. Jelenia Góra (in Silesian: Jelyńo Gůra)
  2. Wałbrzych (in Silesian: Wałbrzich)
  3. Tarnowskie Góry (in Silesian: Tarnowske Gůry)
  4. Gliwice (in Silesian: Glywice)
  5. Racibórz (in Silesian: Racibōrz)
  6. Pszczyna (in Silesian: Psczina)
  7. Bielsko (in Silesian: Biylsko)
  8. Ostrawa (in Silesian: Uostrawa)
  9. Łomża
  10. Kolno
  11. Wizna and Goniądz new places
  12. Warszawa
  13. Deutsch Eylau (in polish: Iława)
  14. Elbing (in polish: Elbląg)
  15. Rößel new place - Allenstein in old place
  16. Angerburg new place - Lötzen in old place
  17. Siewierz (in Silesian: Śewjyrz)
  18. Strzelce Opolskie (in Silesian: Wielge Strzelce)
  19. Namysłów (in Silesian: Namysłůw)
  20. Nysa (in Silesian: also Nysa)
  21. Środa Śląska (in Silesian: Ślůnsko Środa)
  22. Lwówek Śląski (in Silesian: Ślůnski Lwůwek)

New locations names in Silesian and Kashubian (this is about dynamic names in these two languages - Silesian for Silesian culture and Kashubian for Kashubian culture):

Silesian
  1. Opole rename into Ôpole
  2. Brieg rename into Brzyg
  3. Opava rename into Uopawa
  4. Těšín rename into Ćeszyn
  5. Racibórz rename into Kluczbork (in Silesian: Kluczborek) BTW. THIS IS BAD LOCALISATION OF RACIBÓRZ
  6. Rybnik rename into Rybńik
  7. Bytom rename into Bytůń
  8. Wrocław rename into Brosłōw
  9. Jawor (without rename)
  10. Lubań (without rename)
  11. Zielona Góra rename into Zielōnŏ Gōra or Grinberg
  12. Wschowa (without rename)
  13. Wołów rename into Wołůw
  14. Legnica rename into Ligńica
  15. Głogów rename into Głogůw
  16. Żagań rename into Žahań
  17. Świdnica (without rename)
  18. Trzebnica rename into Trzebńica
  19. Oleśnica rename into Uoleśńica
  20. Oława (without rename)
  21. Grodków rename into Grodkōw
  22. Koźle (without rename)
  23. Lubliniec rename into Lublyńec
  24. Oświęcim rename into Uośwjyńćim
  25. Żywiec rename into Żywjec

Kashubian (also works for the Polabian culture)

  1. Stettin rename into Szcecëno
  2. Wolin rename into Wòlëń
  3. Schlawe rename into Słôwno
  4. Berent rename into Kòscérzna
  5. Kołobrzeg rename into Kòlbrzég
  6. Butow rename into Bëtowò
  7. Putzig rename into Pùckò
  8. Dramburg rename into Drôwa
  9. Lebork rename into Lãbórg
  10. Wolgast rename into Wòłogòszcz
  11. Rostock rename into Roztok
  12. Belgard rename into Biôłogarda
  13. Danzig rename into Gdúnjsk
  14. Karthaus rename into Kartëzë
  15. Tuchel rename into Tëchòlô
  16. Saatzig rename into Stôrgard
  17. Stolp rename into Stôłpskò
  18. Wyrzysk rename into Wërzëskò
  19. Schwetz rename into Swiecé
  20. Flatow rename into Złotowò
  21. Brandenburg rename into Branibòr
  22. Ruppin rename into Rypin
  23. Berlin rename into Kòpanica
  24. Köslin rename into Kòszalëno
  25. Dirschau rename into Dërszewò
  26. Bydgoszcz rename into Bëdgòszcza
Goral (potential)
  1. Nowy Sącz rename into Sonc
  2. Zakopane rename into Zakopec
  3. Jasło rename into Josiel
TAG's

On start of game

  1. Duchy of Głogów
  2. Duchy of Świdnica
  3. Duchy of Brzeg
  4. Duchy-Bishop of Nysa
Formable

  1. Kingdom of Silesia (united Silesia)
  2. Duchy of Lower Silesia (united Lower Silesian region)
  3. Duchy of Upper Silesia (united Upper Silesian region)
  4. Duchy of Pszczyna
  5. Duchy of Koźle
  6. Duchy of Bielsko
  7. Duchy of Krnov
  8. Kingdom of Kashubia (united Kashubia)
  9. Duchy of Masovia (united Masovian region)
  10. Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Lithuania with majority of "Belarusian" provinces)
  11. Yotvingia (Sudovian tribe state)
  12. Polesie Freedom (Polesian state)
  13. Goral Freedom (Goral state)
  14. Rusyn Freedom (Rusyn state)
  15. Kingdom of Piast's (reunification of all Piast states)
 
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shouldnt Poland have a truce with the Teutons as the the war ended in 1332 but they established a peace treaty in 1343? also when are we getting the terrain graphics map with the trees and all?
 
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Hmm, from what I can see, on the location map the name of location "Lebork" should be with an "ę" (Lębork). Also if the Teutons are owning it, the location dynamic name should be "Lauenburg", same goes for Malbork/Marienburg.

I'll be checking the accuracy in other names in a moment.

EDIT 1: Kashubian dynamic names for Lębork and Malbork could be Malbórg and Lãbórg respectively.
 
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I wonder since Casimir III resigned his clames to silesia a bit later then the start date when he made a deal with the king of Bohemia, will this be somewhat represented as in poland having clames or something of sorts to the region?
edit: ok I see that the map doesn't show any claims on silesia, but the loss of the land was very reacent at this point so I think there should be some representation of that
 
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You mentioned Slovakia. Does that mean you want feedback about it here or is it included in the Carpathians?
Better in the Carpathians Tinto Maps. ;)
 
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Thanks for the great TM!
At what timescale can we expect to see a tinto talks/maps devoted to how the pysical map properties (vegetation, climate, topography) will interact with game mechanics?
I'm very intrigurd by these map modes, but find it difficult to understand their in-game replications (E.g. hills/woods for combat and 'development' purposes).
 
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First Johan/Pavia thanks for everything.

Not knowledgeable enough about the Baltic to comment anything specific but my gut is saying there should be more hills in the west.

Additionally can you provide a list of all regions you will cover (of course I expect the order is very TBD)? And or could you give a teaser of how many tags there are in Project Caesar?

Since we are now in the west of Europe, will Sephardic and Ashkenzi Jews be seperate or is that too granular?