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Tinto Maps #7 - 21st of June 2024 - Anatolia

Hello everyone, and welcome to the seventh edition of Tinto Maps! I am once again asking for your support back to the duty of showing a new region of the map of the super secret Project Caesar, which this week is Anatolia!

Countries:
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A beautifully divided Anatolia! The disintegration of the Sultanate of Rûm in the 13th century, caused by the Mongol invasion, led to multiple Turkish Beyliks grabbing power over their area. Probably the strongest in 1337 is the Ottoman one, founded by the Turkoman leader Osman Ghazi, but there are other strong contenders such as the Eretnids, the Germiyanids, or the Karamanids, which will be fighting for hegemony over the region. You might also notice that the Byzantine Empire//Eastern Roman Empire//Basileía Rhōmaíōn//[insert here your favorite naming option] still holds a few positions in Anatolia, the most notable being the city of Philadelphia. Apart from them, other interesting countries in the region are the Despotate of Trebizond, held by the Komnenoi, the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, and, of course, The-country-known-in-another-IP-as-Hisn-Kayfa, the Ayyubid remnant in al-Jazira. And you might also notice some Genoese outposts, making them important players as well.

Dynasties:
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The dynastic map is pretty straightforward, as a different dynasty rules each Beylik. We have fixed the issue with the random dynasty names, so no more weird 'the XXXX of XXXX' dynastic names anymore. To spice things up, we could maybe start a Byzantine discussion: Palaiologos, or Komnenos?

Locations:
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As usual, please consider that dynamic location naming is not yet a thing in this region, and therefore the inconsistencies in the language used. As an additional note of caution, please don’t use the Aegean Islands as a reference or benchmark for comparison, as a review of them is something that we’ve got on our list of ‘to do’. You may be able to see that the location density in the region is gradual, from denser coastal regions to bigger inland ones.

Provinces:
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We have changed the coloring of the provinces, making them more different, and easier to understand, though. Apart from that, suggestions in this matter are welcomed, as usual.

Terrain:
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The terrain in Anatolia is quite interesting and unique, as it’s composed of very different features: the central Anatolian Plateau, with a colder climate and more sparse vegetation, is opposed to the rugged and more forested coastlines to the north and south, while only having fluvial flatlands to the west, and in Cilicia (an area that always has been a choke point between Anatolia and Syria. And to the east, the territory becomes increasingly more mountainous, as it approaches the Caucasus.

Cultures:
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Anatolia is the first region of the Middle East with cultural and religious minorities added, just in time for this Tinto Maps, so we can have endless discussions about the divide between the Greek and Turkish cultures! Hurray! Now seriously, we’ve made what we think is the most accurate division for 1337, given the scarcity of data. The stripes point to a variation of the pop percentages in each location, from let’s say 70% of Greeks in Izmit or Bursa, to 80% of Turks in Ankara or Konya. We have also added some subdivisions of these cultures, with the Pontic and Cappadocian Greeks; and the Turkomans (you might note a majority of them around Sivas and Malatya), that portray more a ‘class//social grouping’ divide than an ethnic or language divide, as these Turkoman pops are always tribesmen, while we consider the settled population as Turkish. Other than that, we have a good amount of Armenians distributed between the areas of Cilicia and Armenia; Laz people to the north; and Kurds to the east (the brownish-greenish culture). Also, please ignore the chunk of Syria that appears, as the minorities there are not yet done.

Religions:
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We’re back to interesting religious divisions! We have in Anatolia Orthodox, Sunni, Miaphysite, and Nestorian pops. And if you wonder what are those pink stripes in Thrace, they are a Paulician minority.

Raw Materials:
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There are some interesting materials distributed all over Anatolia, such as Alum (which was a main export to Italy, usually handled by the merchant republics), Silk, Marble, or Copper. And if you’re wondering about the Spices, they were previously Saffron.

Markets:
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The market centers of the region are Constantinople to the west, Trebizond to the north, and Damascus to the south. Nothing speaks against a Turkish Beylik conquering one or all of them, or creating a new market center, probably in the middle of the Anatolian Plateau, although probably it will require some infrastructure to make it fully functional.

Location and Country Population:
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And populations. Byzantium has some edge over each of the Beylikz, but not if they ally with each other, or if they ally with its Balkanic rivals… Also, have I heard about a 66K Ayyubid challenge?

That’s all for today! We’ll most likely be uploading the French feedback results by the end of next week or at the start of the following one (as next week there's an important bank holiday for this company, Midsommar St. John's Day, and some people will be on vacation a few days), and in the meantime, we'll also be reading and answering your feedback about Anatolia. And next Friday, we will be taking a look at Russia. See you then!

PS: I had a flight today that was delayed, therefore the delay on the DD until an (interesting) hour in which I'll be available for replying.
 
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Typical Turkish nationalist answer lol. You're right Kemal was involved in the Kurdish genocide and I actually didn't know that.

But yeah Turkey is a typical fascistoid islamist state, let me explain.
If you are "allowed" to be a member of society unless you ask for rights or independence, then yes that's known as fascism. And Turkey openly supports Hamas, an islamist terrorist organisation.
Turkey extorted Europe by disallowing Ukrainian ships to pass the Bosporus unless their conditions are met. Turkey extorted NATO by disallowing Sweden in unless they prohibit the burning of Korans, which btw is against the Swedish constitution.
Turkey illegaly invaded a European country, Cyprus, to "protect the Turkish minority" the same exact logic Russia is using for their illegal invasion of Ukraine. And Turkey's satellite state Azerbaijan invaded Armenia over and over again which is also illegal.
And it gets worse. Turkey and Azerbaijan are known for finding and eliminating dissident journalists. You're in denial about how criminal and fascistoid Turkey really is. Just like every single Turk I've ever spoken to.
Inform yourself.
Turkey doesn't recognise hamas as terrorist organization. Good for Turkey. Punishment to those who suport YPG/PKK which are internationally recognised as Terrorist organization even by NATO and UN.

it's now all obivous you are just an igonarant who doesn't know about history of Turkiye and being biased, racist, prejudge bcs of your Turkish hate tryna manipulate even history itself. This will not benefit you at the end of day.
 
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To spice things up, we could maybe start a Byzantine discussion: Palaiologos, or Komnenos?
I mean, considering that all the major Roman dynasties at this point were all interrelated...

Also, any particular reason why the Palaiologos Dynasty is brown instead of the color of the tag?
 
Typical Turkish nationalist answer lol. You're right Kemal was involved in the Kurdish genocide and I actually didn't know that.

But yeah Turkey is a typical fascistoid islamist state, let me explain.
If you are "allowed" to be a member of society unless you ask for rights or independence, then yes that's known as fascism. And Turkey openly supports Hamas, an islamist terrorist organisation.
Turkey extorted Europe by disallowing Ukrainian ships to pass the Bosporus unless their conditions are met. Turkey extorted NATO by disallowing Sweden in unless they prohibit the burning of Korans, which btw is against the Swedish constitution.
Turkey illegaly invaded a European country, Cyprus, to "protect the Turkish minority" the same exact logic Russia is using for their illegal invasion of Ukraine. And Turkey's satellite state Azerbaijan invaded Armenia over and over again which is also illegal.
And it gets worse. Turkey and Azerbaijan are known for finding and eliminating dissident journalists. You're in denial about how criminal and fascistoid Turkey really is. Just like every single Turk I've ever spoken to.
Inform yourself.
How is any of this relevant to anything about 1337? I am saying this both to you and the guy you are arguing with. Keep it civil, keep it relevant, and keep it not weird please.
 
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Turkey doesn't recognise hamas as terrorist organization. Good for Turkey. Punishment to those who suport YPG/PKK which are internationally recognised as Terrorist organization even by NATO and UN.

it's now all obivous you are just an igonarant who doesn't know about history of Turkiye and being biased, racist, prejudge bcs of your Turkish hate tryna manipulate even history itself. This will not benefit you at the end of day.
Well if your version of history is different from any other country's version of history then maybe you should consider that you may be the ones who are "manipulating" facts.

 
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Will the Karamlides be represented in game?
I am curious about this. There is a theory that Karamanlides are Turkic mercenaries settled by the Byzantines to the region, which does not make sense IMO. The sensible theory is that they are Turkified Greeks of Karaman and they came about in 15th or 16th century. So maybe an event?
 
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Well if your version of history is different from any other country's version of history then maybe you should consider that you may be the ones who are "manipulating" facts.

Please shut up, this isn’t relevant to anything here and no one here has power to change anything. If you want to argue mindlessly go to twitter
 
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Please shut up, this isn’t relevant to anything here and no one here has power to change anything. If you want to argue mindlessly go to twitter
Well it's relevant to the person i was replying to, so how about you ping him too. Btw he's the person that started this conversation. So yeah you're right it doesn't belong and I won't respond further here but screw you for trying to single me out.
 
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Well if your version of history is different from any other country's version of history then maybe you should consider that you may be the ones who are "manipulating" facts.
Good for Turks lemme add a few of them espically on Turkish conquest of Anatolia
etc... I can add more if you want
 
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Well it's relevant to the person i was replying to, so how about you ping him too. Btw he's the person that started this conversation. So yeah you're right it doesn't belong and I won't respond further here but screw you for trying to single me out.
Uhm...
=> I don't trust Turkish sources / adds and idiotic racist slur.
=> ur government corrupt so we should manipulate history
=> how can you kill kurds(not kurds group of terrorists who kills civilians in Turkiye)
=> refuses to eleborate any sources that goes back to 14th century instead talks about politics
and yet I am the one who started? Nice one my racist friend
 
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Rather than having Azeri culture being "Iranian" in the game, we should have both a Turkic Azeri and Iranian Tat people (or perhaps called Shirvani) to represent the Persian speakers of Shirvan.

Also, the name Azeri/Azerbaijani for the Turkic population of modern Azerbaijan is wildly anachronistic, technically, as they didn't call themselves that until the the 20th century. That said, it's not easy to come up with an alternative because they mostly just called themselves Turks prior to this. One possibility is "Ajemi/Acemi," or Ajem-Turkic, which technically means "Persian Turkic" but is what outsiders called their language within the timeframe of the game.
Calling Iranian/Shirvani Turks "Azerbaijani" would hardly be the most awkward or anachronistic ethnonym in PC so far. *cough* "Arpitan" *cough* "Asturleonese* *cough* whatever's going on with continental Germanics *cough*
 
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Uhm...
=> I don't trust Turkish sources / adds and idiotic racist slur.
=> ur government corrupt so we should manipulate history
=> how can you kill kurds(not kurds group of terrorists who kills civilians in Turkiye)
=> refuses to eleborate any sources that goes back to 14th century instead talks about politics
and yet I am the one who started? Nice one my racist friend
Shut up, some criticisms are valid, it was just wrong to extend them to Turkish people
 
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Shut up, some criticisms are valid, it was just wrong to extend them to Turkish people
Then say him to bring the things on history and reality and sources like ricoldus and ibn battuta instead of politics.
Nor ibn battuta or ricoldus had worked for Turkish gov obviously so for the sake of god I urge u guys think fundementally on this.
 
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One recommendation I can make to you guys is to avoid modern-day politics, or the Moderation team will come and do their job.

We aim to portray Greek, Turkish, Armenian, or any other culture with the higher degree of accuracy possible for 1337, given the availabilty of sources and data of good quality, without any type of preferences of one culture over others.
 
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One recommendation I can make to you guys is to avoid modern-day politics, or the Moderation team will come and do their job.

We aim to portray Greek, Turkish, Armenian, or any other culture with the higher degree of accuracy possible for 1337, given the availabilty of sources and data of good quality, without any type of preferences of one culture over others.
You left the informative reaction on all of my long posts except the culture one. Does that mean no more Turks? Not even a few locations?
 
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