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Tinto Talks #13 - 22nd of May 2024

Welcome to another Tinto Talks, where we give out top-secret information about our upcoming unannounced game with the code name Project Caesar. This time we will touch a little bit on the aspect of religion in this game.

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Every country, pop, or character has a religion they adhere to. This impacts their relationship with the place they currently are, and their relationship with others in the world.


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This is the religious setup of Aragon in 1337.

Every religion in Project Caesar belongs to a Religion Group, such as Christianity or Paganism. Fellow religions in the same group consider each other to be merely Heretic, whereas religions in different groups condemn each other as Heathen.

Every religion has a specific view of other religions as well, that ranges from Kindred to Enemy, which impacts relations between countries of different faiths, and how populations of another faith view your country.

Each country also has their own tolerance of their true faith, of heretics, and of heathens, which impacts how happy or angry the population will be depending on which country they belong to.


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The Same Religion here, is from the law relating to valid heirs.

The religious unity of your country has a really large impact on the satisfaction of your Clergy Estate.

Important to know is that in Project Caesar, you just do not send missionaries to your locations and eventually they have changed religion. Here conversion is a slower process, which relies on government activities and infrastructure.


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A unique building for Muslim countries that has a tiny impact on conversion.

Each religion belongs to a group, which impacts which tolerance is applied and how religions interact with each other. Religions in the same group are viewed as heretics, but those of another group as heathens.

The groups we currently have are, but that may change as we continue to develop the game.
  • Christian
  • Muslim
  • Eastern
  • Dharmic
  • Zoroastrian
  • Manichean
  • Judean
  • Andean
  • Pagan

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The current Christian religions. Take into account that they are very much WIP!

In some games we have made there have not been any major differences between religions, merely being different modifiers, and while some religions in Project Caesar are still only a few modifiers, many will have mechanics. Right now, we have made unique mechanics for Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Miaphysitism, the various Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists, Shinto, Nahuatl, Hinduism & the Inti religion. Each of these will get their own unique later development diary.

Now every religion will still have some modifiers that describe them, in many cases it is things that enable or disable certain mechanics. Some examples include the fact that countries with Jain as their state religion can not start wars without a casus belli, and that Calvinist countries will never reroll the dice in a battle, as everything is preordained.

Stay tuned for next week, where we talk about another completely new feature that adds flavor to the game.

Sadly, I can’t reply today, as I am at some management thingie in Stockholm, but @Pavía will help you out!
 
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I hope there will be some work done to better distinguish cultural zones of Sub-Saharian religion and South African religion. It is bizarre North America has so many different regional varieties of faith but the indigenous peoples of the south, Africa, and Australia are a single united tendency of 'animism'.
The game is still under development
 
Slow convertion is exactly what I asked for.

But how slow it is exactly? In average how long it takes to convert a, let's say, 100 000 location? Are there pockets of old religion (unconverted pops) still in late XVIII century anywhere?
 
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I hope there will be a bit of remodeling of the colours.
Catholicism for example looks a bit too Green in my mind.

Additionally, I presume "Nestorianism" refers to the Assyrian Church of the East. I heard a few times by now that calling them "Nestorian" is kinda disingenuous and more rooted from old prejudice rather than reality.

I additionally wonder if their small communities that stretched as far as China will be represented.

I would also be interested in how and if for example Catholic Eastern Churches like the Greek Catholic Churches will be represented.
 
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Really looking forward to Caesar fleshing out the Inti religion!

Agree with others - the pan-animism seems strange and disappointing. Is there a specific reason Studio Tinto has chosen this design?

Since missionary envoys have seemingly been replaced by pop religious conversion...are there any systems that represent clergy proselytizing abroad or in colonial regions?

Also - could you share the topic for next week?
 
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Totemism and fetishism, for all its many flaws, go a long way towards not lumping together thousands of different religious and cultural practices into the really weird umbrella of "animism".
Yes and we will keep adding religions
 
glad that there seems to be a decent amount of religious variety atm in North America, but it also kind of makes the generic 'animist' for Africa stick out even more. hope we can get a similar degree of detail there
 
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Really looking forward to Caesar fleshing out the Inti religion!

Agree with others - the pan-animism seems strange and disappointing. Is there a specific reason Studio Tinto has chosen this design?

Since missionary envoys have seemingly been replaced by pop religious conversion...are there any systems that represent clergy proselytizing abroad or in colonial regions?

Also - could you share the topic for next week?

It is a pure WIP. Remember that folks, Johan responded to me on this. @Johan maybe note the animist category is a work in progress in the update as well so you don't repeat yourself endlessly :p
 
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Reiterating this all looks very good and congrats for the team on this work. But also I noticed that China is completely taken up by Mahayana religion.

That is inaccurate and does not reflect at all the practice and form of Chinese folk religion at the time or even nowadays. It also does not reflect accurately the state religion of the Chinese dynasties and would fail to address how many Chinese people, including some Ming intellectuals and princes were hostile to Buddhism.

I previously made a suggestion in a separate thread to make a unique Chinese religion called "Shendao" but making China Taoist or hell, even making them Confucian like EU4, while still not the best solution, would arguably be better than this.
 
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Not too much we didn't already have an inkling about, but interesting nonetheless.

I have a question, though - what will "Dharmic" include, exactly? If "Hinduism" is not split up, will it include just Jainism in addition to that (assuming that, like EUIV, Buddhism is "Eastern")? Imo this is not that great, since there was at this point still plenty of syncretism and intermixing between Buddhism and Hinduism, as I have written elsewhere with the case of Majapahit, and so making them "heathens" to one another is quite flawed. In fact I would argue that it has always been the position of most Hindus and (Indian) Buddhists that the other is merely a heretic, equivalent to the Jainas.
Hinduism, Jainism and Sikhism, as Buddhism is considered 'Eastern', correct. We don't like much that 'Heathen' division between Hinduism and Buddhism either, so we're looking for a better solution, although it's complicated.
 
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Also it's odd that the Armenian Apostolic Church isn't in the game, I would have assumed that they would have been finally separated from Coptic.
Armenian apostolic is miaphysism, just like coptic. EU4 is incorrect, becuase armenians are not coptic, but here they're both labeled "maphyst", so it seems correct to me.
 
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Begging, pleading, crying that Shintoism isn’t just worship the emperor 18th century Meiji larp and actually has more influence from Buddhism and Confucianism.

If we’re real? Shintoism shouldn’t even be called that in the 1300s, we’re just past the Kamakura age of Buddhism where dozens of schools and traditions emerged. If you really want to do Shinto emperor stuff do it with the Kokukagu movement in the 1600-1700s, not in 1337 or whatever the start date is.
 
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Transylvania majority catholic?
Did you really make it majority hungarian, like in ck games, again? Really?


Edit :According to Kurzer Ueberblick der Literaturgeschichte Siebenbürgens von der ältesten Zeit bis zu Ende des vorigen Jahrhunderts , there were 400k romanians, 300k saxons and 150k hungarians in 1310 AD Transilvania.


While that would make orthodox an overall minority, there would be many more majority counties, outside Székely Land and Sieben Stühle
 
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