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Tinto Talks #13 - 22nd of May 2024

Welcome to another Tinto Talks, where we give out top-secret information about our upcoming unannounced game with the code name Project Caesar. This time we will touch a little bit on the aspect of religion in this game.

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Every country, pop, or character has a religion they adhere to. This impacts their relationship with the place they currently are, and their relationship with others in the world.


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This is the religious setup of Aragon in 1337.

Every religion in Project Caesar belongs to a Religion Group, such as Christianity or Paganism. Fellow religions in the same group consider each other to be merely Heretic, whereas religions in different groups condemn each other as Heathen.

Every religion has a specific view of other religions as well, that ranges from Kindred to Enemy, which impacts relations between countries of different faiths, and how populations of another faith view your country.

Each country also has their own tolerance of their true faith, of heretics, and of heathens, which impacts how happy or angry the population will be depending on which country they belong to.


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The Same Religion here, is from the law relating to valid heirs.

The religious unity of your country has a really large impact on the satisfaction of your Clergy Estate.

Important to know is that in Project Caesar, you just do not send missionaries to your locations and eventually they have changed religion. Here conversion is a slower process, which relies on government activities and infrastructure.


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A unique building for Muslim countries that has a tiny impact on conversion.

Each religion belongs to a group, which impacts which tolerance is applied and how religions interact with each other. Religions in the same group are viewed as heretics, but those of another group as heathens.

The groups we currently have are, but that may change as we continue to develop the game.
  • Christian
  • Muslim
  • Eastern
  • Dharmic
  • Zoroastrian
  • Manichean
  • Judean
  • Andean
  • Pagan

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The current Christian religions. Take into account that they are very much WIP!

In some games we have made there have not been any major differences between religions, merely being different modifiers, and while some religions in Project Caesar are still only a few modifiers, many will have mechanics. Right now, we have made unique mechanics for Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Miaphysitism, the various Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists, Shinto, Nahuatl, Hinduism & the Inti religion. Each of these will get their own unique later development diary.

Now every religion will still have some modifiers that describe them, in many cases it is things that enable or disable certain mechanics. Some examples include the fact that countries with Jain as their state religion can not start wars without a casus belli, and that Calvinist countries will never reroll the dice in a battle, as everything is preordained.

Stay tuned for next week, where we talk about another completely new feature that adds flavor to the game.

Sadly, I can’t reply today, as I am at some management thingie in Stockholm, but @Pavía will help you out!
 
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Is there any chance Religion names can overlap wasteland? It's very apparent with just about every location with sunni. I think it would look so much nicer to have a large "sunni" over the steppes connecting to persia, the Sahara, and Arabia, rather than how tightly squeezed and awkward they look now.
 
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Looking at today's map about religions and since we have our map god Pavia responding, will we have the religion of the Incas (Inti) in this game? Or will they simply be animist?
Yes, it's unique.
 
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I really don't like the idea of a single animist faith, it's an as ahistorical oversimplification that I don't think should exist. I think CK3 has the perfect representation of pagans, although it may be a bit too complex for Project Caesar. I hope that animism is changed to be multiple different religions, instead of a unified umbrella term.

Also it's odd that the Armenian Apostolic Church isn't in the game, I would have assumed that they would have been finally separated from Coptic.
Hi, I am a follower of the Armenian Apostolic Church, and I really did not like how in EU4 it was called simply 'Coptic' along with the African ones. But what really unites us with them is that we are miaphysites. And now, in the project Caesar , apparently, they have corrected this and the name is now simply "Miaphysites". So I think this generalization is pretty good, considering that all Miaphysites belong to Oriental Orthodoxy anyway.
 
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Will the Tupi in Brazil ( among others ) with shamanistic rituals involving cannibalism be represented in some way ? Are they part of the Animist group ?
 
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Eastern religion group? Does that mean that the various Chinese belief systems (because Daoism and Confucianism are not exactly religions) are grouped together with Shinto? I am especially curious how Confucianism will be represented. It was always weird to me that Christianity and Islam where differentiated whereas Confucianism was just one blob.

When I was writing my BA thesis, I learned that there are at least three major schools in Confucianism, and the discussion somewhat revolves around the role of Confucius. There are two schools of Han Confucianism, the New Text and Old Text. Old Text scholarship, which was forged during Wang Mang's reign, would stress that Confucious was just a chronologist or historian. In contast, the more ancient New Text scholarship (yes, confusing terminology) of the Early Han would depict Confucious almost like a messiah and stress supernatural elements in their interpretation of the Spring and Autumn Annals. In Neo-Confucianism (~ mid 9th century), however, Mengzi was somewhat elevated and the importance of the Spring and Autumn Annals (and thus Confucius) reduced.

This debate culminated in Kang Youwei's Hundred Days' Reform of 1898 which, as we all know, failed. Michael Nylan's work on the Five "Confucian" Classics was very informative about this topic.

Is there any chance that these three major schools are somehow represented?
 
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Oh one more thing I forgot to ask. How does Japanese religion work? Is it one faith to represent Shinto-Buddhist syncreticism or is it both religions present at once and tolerant of each-other?
 
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Eastern religion group? Does that mean that the various Chinese belief systems (because Daoism and Confucianism are not exactly religions) are grouped together with Shinto? I am especially curious how Confucianism will be represented. It was always weird to me that Christianity and Islam where differentiated whereas Confucianism was just one blob.

As I was writing my BA thesis, I learned that there are at least three major schools in Confucianism, and the discussion somewhat revolves around the role of Confucius. There are two schools of Han Confucianism, the New Text and Old Text. Old Text scholarship, which was forged during Wang Mang's reign, would stress that Confucious was just a chronologist or historian, whereas the more ancient New Text scholarship (yes, confusing terminology) of the Early Han would depict Confucious almost like a messiah and stress supernatural elements in their interpretation of the Spring and Autumn Annals. In Neo-Confucianism, however, Mengzi was somewhat elevated and the importance of the Spring and Autumn Annals (and thus Confucius) reduced.

This debate culminated in Kang Youwei's Hundred Days' Reform of 1898 which, as we all know, failed. Michael Nylan's work on the Five "Confucian" Classics was very informative about this topic.

Is there any chance that these three major schools are somehow represented?

I think in the past Johan implied Confucianism is not treated as a religion.
 
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Please, consider changing the wastelands on South America.
Some of the Brazilian ones don't make sense at all
Definitely, also, please consider making the areas directly adjacent to the banks amazon river at least transitable by armies akin to the desert straights with huge attrition.
 
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People are, rightfully, arguing for Anabaptists to be present.
I, on the other hand, am hoping for all the weird and wacky religious movements that came out of Britain, like Methodism and Quakers and Baptists to be included.
I am aware this is a big ask, for a bunch of religions that won't exist until roughly the last century of the game.
 
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Considering there is a separate group for Judean religions, which religions can we expect to see there, except Judaism? Will there be Karaite pops in the game? Maybe even Haymanot, like in CK3?
 
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How accurate it is to represent china's religion as Buddhist ?
We think so, more details about this representation when we fully disclose the Buddhism mechanics in the future.
 
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