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Tinto Talks #41 - 11th of December 2024

Hello Everyone and Welcome to another Tinto Talk! This is the Happy Wednesday where we give you information about our very secret game with the codename Project Caesar.

This week we will talk about Parliaments. We have a simple feature with the same name in EU4, but this is rather different, as you will see. We have also gone heavily into making this flavorful as well, and many countries have their unique names for their Parliament, where it is a “Corts” in Aragon, and a “Riksdag” in Sweden…

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How is this parliament going?


Type of Parliaments
First of all, there are five types of parliaments, although technically you could argue that no parliament is a type as well. They are based on the different types of 'gatherings' that different societies had, which means that different countries will start with a different type of parliament and that you will be able to change it during the game.

Assembly
  • Available to all countries.
  • Nobles + Peasants can have agendas, but they have very weak impact.

Council
  • Requires Codified Laws Advance
  • Nobles + Clergy can have agendas, but have a weak impact.

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Can be useful…


Estate Parliament
  • Requires Feudalism Advance
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas

Autocratic Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas
  • Crown Power is 25% stronger.
  • Can force through any issue they want in parliament for a small cost.

Constitutional Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas, and their impact is much higher.
  • The Nobles Estate has an improved estate satisfaction.


If you wish to let your peasants have a say in your parliament you can grant them a privilege, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.


Calling a Parliament
If you are able to hold any type of parliament, you can call them as long as it's been at least five years since the last parliament was called. If you do not call one for a decade the estates will get less and less satisfied for each passing month.

When you call a parliament you get the choice of where the parliament should be held. You can always hold the parliament in your capital, which will give a small boost to centralization but you also have the option to pick another location. Usually you can pick any town or city, but there are countries that can hold a parliament in a rural location as well. If you pick a place that is not the capital, your country will become slightly more decentralized, but that location gains a nice bonus for the duration of the parliament, which lasts about half a year.

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A temporary mini-capital that prospers?


You also need to pick an issue that will be the main debate of the parliament as well. You have up to two options per estate to choose from, where the parliament support you gain depends on their current power in the country.

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The needs of the crown do not grant additional support..

Parliament Issues
The issue picked has a modifier that is applied to the country while the debate is ongoing. In many cases this is rather beneficial, but it only lasts for the duration of the parliament. We currently have over 70 different parliament issues, and about a dozen country specific ones.

If you fail to get enough support in parliament there will be a drawback which is usually a hit to stability, but if you get over 50% backing in parliament the country will get some benefits depending on the Issue.

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This is something that many estates may view as beneficial..

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In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered.


Parliament Support
So what is Parliament Support then? You will always have a base support from your current crown power, which normally will be rather low (unless you have completely crippled your estates), and then you also have the potential support you get from picking an issue. There are also some government reforms and/or advances that increase the base support.

So how do you increase the support during a parliament then?

Parliament Agendas
Well, you can always see what agendas that the estates want to push during a parliament, and if you grant them what they want, your parliament support will increase. The amount that the Parliament Support increases is based on the estate power that they have, multiplied by their current satisfaction. This makes it beneficial to keep estates happier than the minimum levels, if you wish to rely upon them in parliament.

These agendas include law changes, changes in societal values, privileges granted and more. If you accept the agenda of an estate, then the next agenda they propose in this session will give far less parliament support.

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It’s for the greater good I assume?



Parliament Requests
You can also use the parliament support immediately during a session, and get a request fulfilled, but that will reduce your support by 50%.

Request Additional Taxes
This allows you to collect more taxes from the estates during the next 3 years

Ask for Larger Levies
This will make you able to raise 25% larger levies at any point during the next 3 years.

Ask for Law Changes
This will allow you to change laws at a much reduced cost of stability during the next 3 years.

Prepare for War
This will get you an insulted casus belli on a country of your choice within diplomatic range.

Of course, using any of these requires you to probably have to pick an issue backed by a powerful estate, and probably accept an agenda or two.


I would not recommend hovering closely to 50% if you really want an issue to succeed as there may be events that could reduce it happening.

Parliament Seats
We have two more things influencing parliaments that might be of interest as well. There are two special buildings that can be created that are counted as “Parliament Seats”, which gives extra significance to that location. One is an Urban Parliament Seat that the Burghers can ask for during a Parliament, which grants a significant permanent power to the Burghers in a town or city. The other one is the Rotten Borough, which the Nobles Estate will build in rural locations increasing their power if they are not currently happy.


Before we end though, we would like to hear of any flavor names you would like to see for parliaments, we have about 35 at the moment...

Stay tuned, as next week we will talk about disasters!
 
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A flavor name for the parliament of Bosnia (and also Croatia) could be the Sabor. This term was used for the nobles' courts and assemblies in the Middle Ages, but it also shows up in more modern history.
 
There should be some kind of event or modifier about popular resistance to a census, particularly if the government has low legitimacy. There are plenty of cases where regions (particularly those of repressed/marginalized populations) would resist the perceived encroachment of the central government, in particular the (correct) concern that a census could lead to higher taxes and military draft. I'm currently thinking of the first Brazilian census in 1872, as well as the aforementioned Roman census
 
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I think when Johan says it's more of a Vicky thing, it's "for the majority of the game it didn't happen or wasn't common at all."
The House of Commons has existed since the 14th century, but I wonder if that means just representing the Peasants with a privilege that allows them to interact in the Parliament.
I mean, political parties were a thing, at the very least if you consider the Federalists, Democratic-Republicans, Whigs, Tories, and the Dutch Orangists and Statists political parties or rather cohesive factions. Still, I'm not sure we all expect political parties to be in the game unless it uses EU4's factions or something.
Just a nitpick, but the Commons that could actually vote were almost exclusively Burghers.
 
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As in how many people are members. Smaller and more exclusive may be efficient but unpopular for nobles and clergy. Larger may be less efficient and bureaucratic but more nobles and clergy are happy. With efficiency increasing with technology so as to allow larger sizes the more your country expands (or wants to include the estates more).

For instance, how will the game model foreign nobles you gain through conquest and non state religion clergy in the parliament?
 
How moddable is this system?

I assume we can add issues, but can we also add requests and agendas?
Can we create new types of parliaments beyond the base 5?
And do all issues need to be tied to an estate?
Most of what has been shown above is moddable: flavor names, types of parliament, issues, agendas, and requests.

All the types of parliaments need at least one estate to function, which in the base game is set by default to be Nobility (although that's hardcoded).
 
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Do unique laws exist like Liberum Veto on Poland and if it is how will it work. Because also I don't want my country disappearing because of the nobility.
1. Liberum Veto exists in-game, as an estate privilege.
2. The Szlachta is not so powerful and entrenched in 1337, but they will potentially be very dangerous.
3. We'll talk more in detail in the Tinto Flavor devoted to Poland.
 
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Cortes
Corts
Veche
Althing
Tynwald
Riksdag
Sejm
Uijeongbu
Senate
Congress
Meclis
Estates General
Rogati
Reichstag
Duma
Staten-Generaal
Tagsatzung
Hluttaw
Parlamento
Jatiya Sangsad
Tshogdu
Sansad
Majlis
Oireachtas
Council
Landtag
Folketing
Storting
Althing
Seimas
Mejlis
Sabor
Országgyülés
Kurultai
Upstalboom
Both Estate general and Staten General?
I assume Estate general is for france but can it be written in French and not be the only one in English?
 
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Most of what has been shown above is moddable: flavor names, types of parliament, issues, agendas, and requests.
Great to hear!

All the types of parliaments need at least one estate to function, which in the base game is set by default to be Nobility (although that's hardcoded).
Are you saying that the nobility being required is hardcoded, or just that the requirement to have at least one estate, regardless of which one, is hardcoded?

Thanks for the response :)
 
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Most of what has been shown above is moddable: flavor names, types of parliament, issues, agendas, and requests.

All the types of parliaments need at least one estate to function, which in the base game is set by default to be Nobility (although that's hardcoded).
Do you mean "not hardcoded"?
 
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