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Welcome to the fifth Tinto Talks, where we talk about the design for our upcoming top secret game with the codename ‘Project Caesar.’


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The state is me! Oh, you meant E-state, sorry.. not me ..

Today we will go into detail about one of the core systems in the game, and talk about how estates work.

First of all, there are four estates in Project Caesar, which mostly map 1 to 1 with a social class: Nobility, Clergy, Burghers and the Commoners. There is also the Crown, which represents the state itself.

Each estate gains power based on the amount of population belonging to the estate, which is also modifiable by local attributes of where the population is, where some nobles may have very high power in a certain area, or whether a specific city has entrenched burgher rights there.

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This is the estates part of the government view, where you can see their power, current satisfaction, the equilibrium its trending toward, and what privileges it currently has.

Every 1,000 nobles gives +50 estate power to their estate, while 1,000 peasants merely give +0.05 estate power as default. Then these are modified locally in every location, as mentioned above, and then in the entire country by laws, reforms and most notably the privileges that you have given the estates.

The total power of all the 4 estates and the crown then together all add up to 100%, which is the effective power they have.

Depending on your crown power, you either get a scaling penalty or scaling bonus, on aspects like the cost of revoking estate privileges, the cost of changing policies in laws, the efficiency of the cabinet, the expected costs of the court, and other things. If your crown power is weak, you need to have the estates really satisfied, or you will not get much out of any parliament you try to call.

Each of the four estates has a current satisfaction and an equilibrium it will move towards. Some estates, and some countries, will have the estate satisfaction moving quicker to the equilibrium than others. Each estate has 2 factors per type of estate in which their satisfaction impacts the entire country, where satisfaction above 50% gives a scaling bonus, and below, a scaling penalty.

If the satisfaction is below 25%, this estate will not provide any levies. Most importantly, the estate satisfaction also impacts the satisfaction of the pops that belong to that estate, possibly creating rebel factions or even civil wars.
  • Nobility impacts your prestige gain and your counterespionage.
  • Clergy impacts your research speed and your diplomatic reputation.
  • Burghers impact your merchant power and the production efficiency.
  • Commoner impacts your food production and your stability costs.

So what impacts the satisfaction equilibrium of an estate? The privileges they get, the current stability, some reforms may impact them, some laws may, how you tax them, and much more. Some examples include clergy being happier with higher religious unity or burghers liking having more market centers in your country.

# estate privileges
Estate Privileges then? You may feel forced to grant privileges to estates to be able to tax them more, and you may be forced to grant privileges to get their support in parliament. All privileges impact the power of their estate, and many also increase their satisfaction equilibrium. They all have some impact on gameplay fitting the privilege, and often they also impact a societal value of their country.

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There are many different privileges, and many unique ones depending on where and what type of country you play.

We mentioned taxes before, and while this is not the development diary where we go into details about the economic system, it is important to mention that the estates of a country have wealth that is increased by the amount of money that you have not taken from them in taxes. Rich estates will use their wealth on many things, primarily to invest into things that benefit them, but will often also build things that also benefit the country.

Next week we will talk about a few new concepts that are rather new to this game that have not been present in previous games, as we will talk about proximity, control and maritime presence, all concepts that need to be talked about in detail, before we go into the economy system.
 
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Will naval passages like the Bosporus, Dardanelles, Danish Belts, etc. be controllable? If Denmark can control the Danish Belts (at least later in the game) it gives some incentive for a country like Germany to build the K

Furthermore, it's even possible for your "country" to be severed by such a thing. Using the 1337 start date, I believe Genoa controls parts of the inner Black Sea coast. If Byzantium/Ottomans want to seize that territory, they could simply close off the entrance into the sea and take it without any ability for the Genoese navy to intervene (Unless they want to do a Gallipoli but let's not be silly now)

There are mechanics for those passages that will be revealed later.
 
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Can Estates force through law changes and reforms if they are dissatisfied and powerful enough? Even if you don't call parliament?

there are ways for that.
 
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These are so darn fun. I copy and paste into a text message the most fun parts (usually maps) to my son who is in school at the time these come out We can't wait to play this game.

That sounds like a great experience!
 
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Estates have wealth and can build on their own it seems, somebody played MEIOU here.

Ironically, I've never really played MEIOU beyond testing it. I do have employees from the mod, and I really enjoy talking with @gigau and his friends at every Pdxcon.
 
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LOVE the map! :)

One thing I was wondering about that might have already been answered - I assume like all major last releases, achievements won't be tied to Ironman anymore? Totally understand the reasoning but still somehow sad about it in CK3/V3

If its my decision alone, achievements should ALWAYS require ironman.
 
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Can we expect estate privilege to be revoked as an instantly click if the requirements are fulfilled, or will it be a process such as passing a law in Vicky3? (I'd be more happy with the latter I think)

Technically its a click to remove it.. The consequences may not be something you'd be willing to live with though.
 
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Will the demands, bonuses and equilibrium of the different estates depend on the state's culture, government or tag?

Those impact the tools you can use.

However there is no "You play Scotland so your nobles have -10 satisfaction"
 
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Any chance of ‘crown privileges’ that affect things like administrative corruption, etc.?

there is a chance for those yes.
 
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Will countries start with set privileges or slot will be almost empty as in EU4?

They will mostly start with historical privileges and be setup in a way to not have a brewing civil war at the start.
 
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Will we be able to toggle impassable terrain (aka wasteland) being the same colour as the country that has most borders with it, ala EU4?

Yes, its a toggle.

I have it off, as I hate that look when its colored.
 
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Uh . . . Why is the map so dark? My screen doesn't have 5000 nits of brightness.

oh, i was playing as Aragon, and had fog of war over the area.
 
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This is honestly a really cool dev diary, and seems like a much better estate system than the one we have in eu4, my only complaint or worry is that the clergy seem to have the strongest nerf out of any faction

Strongest nerf?
 
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Man, Johan, you cut off just before showing anything in Romania.. could we get a peak at the region? Is Transylvania a thing?

Not today, sorry.
 
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Looking at the map I noticed that they don't display their full names (I.e. Crown of Aragon in the previous Tinto talk). Will it be possible to have these names displayed instead on the map?

I think we have some rules for it, so when countries are smaller they get the shorter name..
 
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If one of the estates get disloyal and rebel, will they be represented as rebels, like in EU4? And if so, will they become own separate nation, when they enforce the demands, like with Cossacks estate or how does that aspect work?

Its rather different, closest is the Civil War mechanics in Imperator.
 
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