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You were seer scanned day 4, IIRC your insistance on tying people when we were lynching blind on day 1 was the reason for the scan.

Now that we're asking how well we were playing: did anyone notice me doing stupid stuff for a seer's apprentice(or stupid stuff in general)?
The only general suspicious activity you did could easily be explained away by inexperience, and should disappear with experience.
 
The full details of this mess are yet unclear to me, but I think a number of points should be remembered. Firstly, it is traditional that if the GM makes a mistake, the mistake is kept. While I think this was written with more public mistakes in mind, I think that it is generally wisest to not interfere, even if it unbalances the game, because the nature of the Big is that it is difficult to fully swing in one side's favor, even if they have inside info. If it is absolutely necessary to interfere, it is wisest to consult with the experienced, even for one as experienced as you, Rysz, before doing anything.
 
Anyway thanks for hosting, Rysz! It was a really fun game. And don't fret too much over this. Everybody makes mistakes when GMing. I've in the past made utterly broken setups, not to mention that 50% scan seer...


No, Euro is no wolf.
Ah. Johho then.

And as no-one would talk about it, it would not affect things.
He still could have set the hunt from it, though.

But at that point it was already actually too
Yep. The moment we saw that PM johho and randy were dead.

your insistance on tying people when we were lynching blind on day 1 was the reason for the scan.
That is something I do in bigs though. And if anything I do it more as a villager than as a wolf. In lites, though, I'll uphold that we can't TIE randomly, but in bigs I'll happily TIE. Sadly people don't always remember this difference.
Now that we're asking how well we were playing: did anyone notice me doing stupid stuff for a seer's apprentice(or stupid stuff in general)?
You weren't even close to being near the hunt for the yays. I'd say that we'd likely have eaten at least half the players before getting to you.
 
That is something I do in bigs though. And if anything I do it more as a villager than as a wolf. In lites, though, I'll uphold that we can't TIE randomly, but in bigs I'll happily TIE. Sadly people don't always remember this difference.

Or people just are generally in favor of lynching bloodthirsty and unhelpful villagers.:p
 
The full details of this mess are yet unclear to me, but I think a number of points should be remembered. Firstly, it is traditional that if the GM makes a mistake, the mistake is kept. While I think this was written with more public mistakes in mind, I think that it is generally wisest to not interfere, even if it unbalances the game, because the nature of the Big is that it is difficult to fully swing in one side's favor, even if they have inside info. If it is absolutely necessary to interfere, it is wisest to consult with the experienced, even for one as experienced as you, Rysz, before doing anything.
I probably should explain some.
Tonight we ate k-59. It was a last second hunt order by reis which was sent as he thought he'd hang and k-59 then would be cleared. k-59 turned out to be cursed, though. Jackson had by error posted a scan result in a PM with k-59, randy, and a few others. k-59 told us about this and we decided to eat randy and johho next, in that order.


Also anybody can post the wrong place. Just look at me posting wolf convo stuff at the top of page 35. Fortunately nobody saw that, I think. At least never was called out on it.
 
I have absolutely no idea what the supposed slip-up is, and the half truths and hints being spoken about it doesn't help. So, while I know nothing about the circumstances in this case, I do think in general games can survive through mistakes, and should be done so, rather than call for a premature end on day 4.
 
I probably should explain some.
Tonight we ate k-59. It was a last second hunt order by reis which was sent as he thought he'd hang and k-59 then would be cleared. k-59 turned out to be cursed, though. Jackson had by error posted a scan result in a PM with k-59, randy, and a few others. k-59 told us about this and we decided to eat randy and johho next, in that order.


Also anybody can post the wrong place. Just look at me posting wolf convo stuff at the top of page 35. Fortunately nobody saw that, I think. At least never was called out on it.
Wait, the mistake that caused all of this was Jacksonian's mistake? Not the GM's, a player's? Then absolutely the game should not have ended. If a player makes a mistake, that sucks for them and their side, but the GM should not interfere at all, certainly not go around removing roles and killing the game.
 
I have absolutely no idea what the supposed slip-up is, and the half truths and hints being spoken about it doesn't help. So, while I know nothing about the circumstances in this case, I do think in general games can survive through mistakes, and should be done so, rather than call for a premature end on day 4.
Also Jackson is probably a scanner. I sent him, randy, E_L Spockt, and Lemeard a PM begging for them to sub into the dark cult game and JM sent this

"Johho scanned villager.

Scan JermanTK"

to it by mistake


Also hi cultist. Did you ever suspect any of your mates (Cliges, Yvanoff, and I)? I wanted to pull you fully into the know once the nays got decimated, but the others were against as they feared you'd turncoat ASAP.
 
Wait, the mistake that caused all of this was Jacksonian's mistake? Not the GM's, a player's? Then absolutely the game should not have ended. If a player makes a mistake, that sucks for them and their side, but the GM should not interfere at all, certainly not go around removing roles and killing the game.

Ye. Also, there is this strange notion that the game is unplayable without scanners and that they must be protected with apprentices and traits to keep things balanced. This is not true. I've lost count of the number of Lites where the Seer was offed early and still saw baddie win - and there have been of course many Bigs where the Sorc was offed early and baddies still won.
 
I probably should explain some.
Tonight we ate k-59. It was a last second hunt order by reis which was sent as he thought he'd hang and k-59 then would be cleared. k-59 turned out to be cursed, though. Jackson had by error posted a scan result in a PM with k-59, randy, and a few others. k-59 told us about this and we decided to eat randy and johho next, in that order.


Also anybody can post the wrong place. Just look at me posting wolf convo stuff at the top of page 35. Fortunately nobody saw that, I think. At least never was called out on it.
Page 35? You mean this?
Not sure we really have more zombies than we usually have.
 
Also, what happened on that night Avernite and Jerman died? What was the idea behind all of that?

Page 35? You mean this?

No, he deleted it. I also almost slipped up and said something about cultists that was not in the opening post (that is that cultists had a wolf master) when talking about Avernite.
 
The full details of this mess are yet unclear to me, but I think a number of points should be remembered. Firstly, it is traditional that if the GM makes a mistake, the mistake is kept. While I think this was written with more public mistakes in mind, I think that it is generally wisest to not interfere, even if it unbalances the game, because the nature of the Big is that it is difficult to fully swing in one side's favor, even if they have inside info. If it is absolutely necessary to interfere, it is wisest to consult with the experienced, even for one as experienced as you, Rysz, before doing anything.

I have absolutely no idea what the supposed slip-up is, and the half truths and hints being spoken about it doesn't help. So, while I know nothing about the circumstances in this case, I do think in general games can survive through mistakes, and should be done so, rather than call for a premature end on day 4.

Wait, the mistake that caused all of this was Jacksonian's mistake? Not the GM's, a player's? Then absolutely the game should not have ended. If a player makes a mistake, that sucks for them and their side, but the GM should not interfere at all, certainly not go around removing roles and killing the game.

I second all these points.
 
Wait, the mistake that caused all of this was Jacksonian's mistake? Not the GM's, a player's? Then absolutely the game should not have ended. If a player makes a mistake, that sucks for them and their side, but the GM should not interfere at all, certainly not go around removing roles and killing the game.
+1
 
Also hi cultist. Did you ever suspect any of your mates (Cliges, Yvanoff, and I)? I wanted to pull you fully into the know once the nays got decimated, but the others were against as they feared you'd turncoat ASAP.
I didn't bother thinking much about who might be on my side when subbing in. Also, why would I turn against you guys when you're by far the stronger pack?
 
Wait, the mistake that caused all of this was Jacksonian's mistake? Not the GM's, a player's? Then absolutely the game should not have ended. If a player makes a mistake, that sucks for them and their side, but the GM should not interfere at all, certainly not go around removing roles and killing the game.

Yeah, I agree. I had been assuming it was a GM mistake.
 
Page 35? You mean this?
It got deleted. It was a post about fake JLing. Cliges had pondered trying to fake JLing. I then posted about how that was a poor idea and managed to post that in thread by mistake.
Also, why would I turn against you guys when you're by far the stronger pack?
That you'll have to ask Cliges and Reis about. They were the one fearing you'd sell us out.
Since I was so obviously on a roll here I’m counting this as a win. *nods*
You'd have been eaten soon, unless you actually were sorc and scanned aedan beforehand.:p
 
Btw how well were I doing this game? Had I for once managed to not be too obvious as a wolf?
Well I suspected you (and I feel somewhat smug about the fact that I was right about you and Reis) but I was getting increasingly unsure because so few people suspected you.