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Not necessarily. It was positioned in that area of the rules in order to convey that they were replacing the seer and priest for this game. They are more akin to traits than roles.

I read this as Alxeu saying that a wolf could have the trait 'council member'. The alternative is having 10(?)(!) cleared players, which would make for a village cakewalk. The village is compensated for the weakened JL by getting indefinitely replaceable council members.
 
Yeah, I think yakman was joking. He claimed traitless villager to me way back on day 3 after I pressed him on a question, and I actually believe him, as his push on matthew seemed to be sincere. FWIW I'm a traitless villager, no known roles and not on any councils.
Yakman claimed a trait to me; mind it was single-use, but still odd.
 
I think it's clear to everyone except Wagonlitz that Yakman is not being serious. This doesn't mean Yakman can't be a baddie, but it's not really evidence of him being a baddie.

As for Audren, I believe him when he claims to be on the seer council, when he made a post back on day 2 about people on the council being more likely to be goodies, I interpreted that as him being on a council, which contributed to why I was opposed to him being lynched.

Though with five people on the starting priest and seer councils, I'm fairly certain that at least one baddie started on each.
 
I think it's clear to everyone except Wagonlitz that Yakman is not being serious. This doesn't mean Yakman can't be a baddie, but it's not really evidence of him being a baddie.

As for Audren, I believe him when he claims to be on the seer council, when he made a post back on day 2 about people on the council being more likely to be goodies, I interpreted that as him being on a council, which contributed to why I was opposed to him being lynched.

Though with five people on the starting priest and seer councils, I'm fairly certain that at least one baddie started on each.
Remember we also seem to have a GA committee.
 
whereas starting members are most likely goodies.
How come?
If there's 5 starting members on all three councils then that'd be 15 goodies on councils from the start.
We were 29 starting players. Two packs using Johho's rule of thumb means 9 or 10 starting baddies. Hence there's 4 or 5 goodies not on a council from the start. Given there's several traits and other roles, e.g. doc, then that seems unlikely to be solely goodies on a council from the start.
It would mean that, since HDK wasn't on a council, there's only 3 or 4 villagers left who didn't start on a council. I'm one of them and Wombat seems to be a villager too, meanign that there's only one or two villagers who aren't Wombat and I and who didn't start on a council. That seems unlikely.

The village is compensated for the weakened JL by getting indefinitely replaceable council members.
I get what you're saying. And I do think that baddies started on the councils. I do think it's horrible balance wise, though, since the baddies can direct scans away from mates, they can preempt outings, they'll have a foot in the inner circles of the JL from the get go, and they'll b able to instantly lynch any double cleared person.

Espceailly the GA council is a horrible idea to have baddies on, as it'd fully neuter it against the pack with a member on it as they'd know who's protected and hence be able to avoid the protection.



In any case then I stil think Audren is a decent candidate due to the waffling around earlier today, and as it's likely there were baddies starting on the councils, despite it being a horrible idea, then I don't think him claiming seer council means that much.
 
How come?
If there's 5 starting members on all three councils then that'd be 15 goodies on councils from the start.
In any case then I stil think Audren is a decent candidate due to the waffling around earlier today, and as it's likely there were baddies starting on the councils, despite it being a horrible idea, then I don't think him claiming seer council means that much.

I meant to type "more likely," not "most likely." I agree now that there's likely baddies on the committees. I still think probabilisticly that replacement members are much more likely to be baddies.
 
Hrm, yes... well actually, @Wagonlitz , I see only one option; either both packs have someone on each council, or neither does, because anything else would be stupendously hard. How do you balance knowing the GA target against knowing the priestly scan target? It'd boggle the mind.

Plus one pack was nearly wiped without council membership (or at least, I assume they're nearly wiped).

So I am tempted to go with 'the councils WERE all goodies' and so there really are just few non-council-start goodies. I guess we could almost compile the list since I am one. But maybe there's one of each in one of the councils. Having someone on the priest council of each, and ditching the sorc, could work I guess?

In any case I don't like LK voting placeholder 2 hours pre-deadline. Like, huh? But he corrected it.
And of the current cases Spocky seems the most in the background, which makes me suspicious (even if my suspicions haven't worked except on Claude).

UNvote beartjah, Vote Spockyt
 
I agree now that there's likely baddies on the committees
Why not from the start? Having over half the players be isntantly cleared due to all council members being goodies is utterly broken and could lead to a situation like in Dadarian's all liar game. It's extremely vulnerable.

I still think probabilisticly that replacement members are much more likely to be baddies.
How come? That'd only be true if there were no baddies on any council from the start, which is extremely vulnerable balance wise.

I guess we could almost compile the list
I guess we could, but not sure how much of use it'd be.


I'm not gonna be on again before deadline.
 
Votecount, 29 minutes to deadline:

Spockyt - 5: aedan [546], Culann [555], Audren [johho 529 -> 560], MatthewFW190 [564], Avernite [beartjah 540 -> 609]

De Chatillon - 4: Alynkio [590], LatinKaiser [Yakman 581 ->591], MarcoRossolini [592], Spockyt [Audren 571 -> 606]

MatthewFW190 - 3: Yakman [deathbywombat 523 -> beartjah 541 -> 551], liefwarrior [552], Witch Agatha [573]

Audren - 2: Wagonlitz [530], beartjah [550]

Witch Agatha - 1: De Chatillon [556]

Non-voters - 5: @R.Graymarch, @johho888, @TheFatWombat, @Sleepyhead, deathbywombat [Audren 544 -> UNVOTE 600]
 
Hello! Can nobody hear me? I really don't get where this "in the background" and "under the radar" is coming from. Aedan has said it, and now it's getting parroted, and used as an easy case.
Maybe your name just doesn't stand out?
 
I think tieing De Chat and Matthew is a good idea. Preference for keeping Spockyt alive for the moment.

Vote matthewfw190
 
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Maybe your name just doesn't stand out?
That must be it, looking at the stats. I could've sworn Spocky was quiet, but the stats say he isn't.

And given the current state I assume someone can remake the tie without spocky:

UNvote Spockyt, Vote De chatillon
 
I think tieing De Chat and Matthew is a good idea. Preference for keeping Spockyt alive for the moment.

Vote matthewfw190

I support this idea. Spockyt's activity today has been reassuring, despite his attempts to kill me.

UNVOTE SPOCKYT
VOTE DE CHAT