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aedan777 said:
I don't think voting the claimed witness, Culann, is a good idea.

Also not a good idea to be voting me. I don't have the greatest voting record against the oranges, but there are several that applies to. Saying oranges haven't voted me is asilly, because outside of day 3 I haven't gotten seriously voted up to now.

The actual candidate that should be pursued today is FatWombat. He's the one who broke the tie between De chat and Matthew, in favor of De Chat. He's also consistently voted for the candidates against orange pack members, and tends to switch around at deadline. Yesterday for example he made the second to last vote, and broke the tie between Wagon and Witch Agatha to push Wagon ahead. This tendency to make serious votes in favor of orange wolves should be followed up on.

Vote FatWombat
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Interesting point. Actually missed this, but if not for wagons translator power witch agatha would have been spared another day and another orange would have remained unknown. Once might be coincidence (was surprised it didn't get attention at the time), but twice is a little harder to swallow. @TheFatWombat
 
deathbywombat said:
Interesting point. Actually missed this, but if not for wagons translator power witch agatha would have been spared another day and another orange would have remained unknown. Once might be coincidence (was surprised it didn't get attention at the time), but twice is a little harder to swallow. @TheFatWombat
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I tried to vote him, but I am apparently getting voted for it now:

MarcoRossolini said:
Avernite stood out for me as well when he was so quick to go after Wombat for his last minute voting chicanery. Wombat isn't cleared at all, but Avernite comes off worse from it all.

Pending something new:

Vote Avernite
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Unvote aedan
Vote thefatwombat

Of course, neither aedan or avernite are cleared, either. But I'm intrigued by the point about fat wombat pushing late votes on non-oranges.
 
Okay let's actually look at my vote yesterday. I arrived somewhat late and at the time a TIE between Wagon and Agatha had been proposed. I agreed with it.
TheFatWombat said:
Of the people being run up Johho has been the most active so I would prefer to not lynch him at least.
Now the proposed TIE does have merit, but I feel like it may be rather difficult to pull off as Wagon does appear to be preparing a votesnipe. And I certainly shouldn't try to countersnipe. So if that's what we're going for it makes sense to put him one up, although it does "risk" Agatha surviving.

Vote Wagonlitz
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Me and Wagon were the only people which had not yet voted. My other only options were to make a completely wasted throwaway vote (which would be quite suspicious) or to straight up save Wagon who was a wolf. And I was correct about Wagon trying to do same last minute shenanigans, although it did come in a different form. If I had not cast that vote, Wagon might have been able to survive.
Fair play on the DeChat fiasco, but that vote was totally reasonable.
 
Some scattered thoughts:

If I got out of lynch yesterday because I was confused about who was in which pack - then why are we lynching equally confused Avernite?
Also, why am I not voted today? Was I scanned last night?

dbw's comment about having ideas about who to eat night 2 was a bit strange. I can only assume he is either in the GA council or a sorcerer (or a disgruntled cultist who wasn't listened to by his masters)

If Agatha was scanned and known by the JL then, depending on how that info was spread, not everyone I though was cleared is cleared. OTOH why was it needed for another wolf to force that lynch TIE? Shouldn't the JL have prioritized the known wolf.

Witness is an easy thing to claim. Culann is in the Seer committe. If packs had symmetrical representation either there should be another starting wolf amongst the seers (or the packs got one rep in the seers and one rep in the priests)

5 dead baddies from one pack. 3 packs looks really unlikely.
Only 5 baddies / pack seems a bit low considering the problem to stop scanners. But if that is so we are in a good position.
6 baddies / pack and in worst case a lose cultist from the smaller pack and we are on the brink of parity. What speaks against this is the problem with conversations with more than 5.
 
Votecount, 29 minutes to deadline:

TheFatWombat - 4: johho [730], aedan [760], deathbywombat [aedan 744 ->763], Avernite [johho 728 -> Yakman 758 -> 764]

Culann - 3: Yakman [Avernite 734 -> 741], Sleepyhead [Avernite 731 -> 754], LatinKaiser [755]

Avernite - 2: TheFatWombat [747], MarcoRossolini [750]

aedan - 1: Spockyt [756]

Non-voters - 3: @Culann, @liefwarrior, @R.Graymarch
 
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TheFatWombat said:
Okay let's actually look at my vote yesterday. I arrived somewhat late and at the time a TIE between Wagon and Agatha had been proposed. I agreed with it.

Me and Wagon were the only people which had not yet voted. My other only options were to make a completely wasted throwaway vote (which would be quite suspicious) or to straight up save Wagon who was a wolf. And I was correct about Wagon trying to do same last minute shenanigans, although it did come in a different form. If I had not cast that vote, Wagon might have been able to survive.
Fair play on the DeChat fiasco, but that vote was totally reasonable.
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Decent defense but you still bear watching.

Unvote thefatwombat
 
johho888 said:
Some scattered thoughts:

If I got out of lynch yesterday because I was confused about who was in which pack - then why are we lynching equally confused Avernite?
Also, why am I not voted today? Was I scanned last night?

dbw's comment about having ideas about who to eat night 2 was a bit strange. I can only assume he is either in the GA council or a sorcerer (or a disgruntled cultist who wasn't listened to by his masters)

If Agatha was scanned and known by the JL then, depending on how that info was spread, not everyone I though was cleared is cleared. OTOH why was it needed for another wolf to force that lynch TIE? Shouldn't the JL have prioritized the known wolf.

Witness is an easy thing to claim. Culann is in the Seer committe. If packs had symmetrical representation either there should be another starting wolf amongst the seers (or the packs got one rep in the seers and one rep in the priests)

5 dead baddies from one pack. 3 packs looks really unlikely.
Only 5 baddies / pack seems a bit low considering the problem to stop scanners. But if that is so we are in a good position.
6 baddies / pack and in worst case a lose cultist from the smaller pack and we are on the brink of parity. What speaks against this is the problem with conversations with more than 5.
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The question kinda is how many independent baddies there are. We haven't caught a single one yet.
 
johho888 said:
If I got out of lynch yesterday because I was confused about who was in which pack - then why are we lynching equally confused Avernite?
Witness is an easy thing to claim. Culann is in the Seer committe. If packs had symmetrical representation either there should be another starting wolf amongst the seers (or the packs got one rep in the seers and one rep in the priests)
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What do you mean “there should be another starting wolf amongst the seers”? We haven’t seen any dead baddies from the priest or GA councils — do you know something about pack composition the village doesn’t?
 
You know what? That looks like a slip to me. You were wondering why you weren’t being voted, johho? Well, let me fix that for you.

Unvote Culann
Vote johho
 
LatinKaiser said:
What do you mean “there should be another starting wolf amongst the seers”? We haven’t seen any dead baddies from the priest or GA councils — do you know something about pack composition the village doesn’t?
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IF the setup was symmetrucal the two packs would either both have members in the seers committe (beacuse it's more important) or maybe one pack had a member amongst the seers and the other amongst the priest. I find it extremely unlikely one pack had a member amongst the committees and the other pack didn't.
 
LatinKaiser said:
What do you mean “there should be another starting wolf amongst the seers”? We haven’t seen any dead baddies from the priest or GA councils — do you know something about pack composition the village doesn’t?
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It'd be unfair for one pack to have a wolf on the seer council while the other doesn't. Though it might be that they only got one member on opposing councils and an unaligned baddie sits in the GA committee. This is guild analysis ™ and now I hate myself. Evil @alxeu
 
Sleepyhead said:
It'd be unfair for one pack to have a wolf on the seer council while the other doesn't. Though it might be that they only got one member on opposing councils and an unaligned baddie sits in the GA committee. This is guild analysis ™ and now I hate myself. Evil @alxeu
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We don't really know what other possibly useful traits the remaining baddies might have so it's kind of hard to make clear conclusions about their powerlevel.
 
TheFatWombat said:
We don't really know what other possibly useful traits the remaining baddies might have so it's kind of hard to make clear conclusions about their powerlevel.
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Well, I mean alxeu might've been brave, but I see a lot more ease to balance brutal and hunter than 'on the seer committee' and 'x hunters'
 
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