Tinto Maps #4 Poland, Ruthenia, Baltic Feedback

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

After more detailed view I noticed that Halychian, Podolian and Volhynian provinces have some issues and could be easily improved to be more historical, balanced and flavourful.

Issues:​ Tiny 3-4-loc provinces, can be united and rebalanced and be more homogeneous Ugly bordergore (Halych, Lviv, Belz, Kremenets) that does not make much sense More localisation-independent and flavourful names could be used e.g. Przemysl and Chelm are in Polish, but in 1337 belong to Halych, there is a nice way to avoid this Wrongly placed names, e.g. Eastern Podolia A huge potential to use more flavourvul and historic names: Codimia, Halychyna, E./W. Volhynia

How do perfect Red Ruthenian, Podolian and Volhynian provinces look like? Let's have a look:

• Przemysl – rename to San
• Chelm – rename to Western Volhynia
• Zviahel – rename to Eastern Volhynia
• Rivne – Rename to Ostroh as it was the biggest and most important regional centre, get Dubno from Kremenets
• Kremenets – get Busk and Brody, give Dubno to Ostroh
• Terebovlia – get Buchach and Zalishchyky
• Halych – give Buchach to Terebovlia, unite with Zhydachiv province and call the united province Halychyna (here consider it as a core of the broader Halychyna)
• Eastern Podolia – rename to Rov and give Mezhybozhe to Western Podolia
• Western Podolia – get Mezhybozhe from Rov (this way there will be a perfect Podolian-Halician historic border along the Zbruch river)
• Vinnytsia – get Bratslav and Drahushiv and rename this province to Bratslav actually
• Torhovytsia – rename to Eastern Podolia (this is the perfect Eastern Podolia)
• The rest of ex-Bratslav province remane to Codimia – a very flavourful name of the lands around the Kodyma river, that was shown on multiple maps frome the time period (since the XVI century at least):

With these changes the region province/areas setup will be kinda perfect:

Suggested​	Original​

• Flavourful historic names and borders
• Border provinces are independent on language localisation
• Homogeneous 4-6-location provinces
• No bordergore

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

After more detailed view I noticed that Halychian, Podolian and Volhynian provinces have some issues and could be easily improved to be more historical, balanced and flavourful.

And following this provinces rework, I would like to suggest a better Areas setup in the region that will be more accurate and can mitigate some issues.
If provinces mostly look like a more 'technical' thing, representing a group of locations, then areas represent real historical and cultural regions that players are familiar with (like Normandy, Moravia, Lombardy, Asturia etc.).

Issues:​ Polesia area looks too small, covering less than a half of actual Polesia Ukraine/East-West Dnipro/Left-Right Bank areas discussions and inconsistency (already renamed back and forth in different maps)

Firstly, if we compare the Polesia area in the game with the actual and historical Polesia region, it is obvious that it can be expanded (I attach a modern and a 1613 map):

• So Polesia area should get Olevsk, Ovruch, Chornobyl, Masyr provinces to be more balanced and much more hitorical.
• This way the reduced Ukraine area can be united with the historical Pereyaslav lands on the other side of the Dnipro and make a perfect Ukraine area.
• Actually this was exactly around the times when this word started to designate the lands around Kyiv and Pereyaslav.
• As a reminder, Gomel province should be transfered to Severia area as it was a core part of the Duchy of Chernihiv
• The border between the Black and White Ruthenias can be adjusted to balance the sizes, if needed

Province mapmode​	Tinto Maps Special Edition (World) – Areas Map​

This would also match the Polesian culture far better (you drew the culture absolutely correctly):​

Final areas setup:​

Suggested​	Original​

 

[ibvfteh]

After more detailed view I noticed that Halychian, Podolian and Volhynian provinces have some issues and could be easily improved to be more historical, balanced and flavourful.

View attachment 1250877

Issues:​ Tiny 3-4-loc provinces, can be united and rebalanced and be more homogeneous Ugly bordergore (Halych, Lviv, Belz, Kremenets) that does not make much sense More localisation-independent and flavourful names could be used e.g. Przemysl and Chelm are in Polish, but in 1337 belong to Halych, there is a nice way to avoid this Wrongly placed names, e.g. Eastern Podolia A huge potential to use more flavourvul and historic names: Codimia, Halychyna, E./W. Volhynia

How do perfect Red Ruthenian, Podolian and Volhynian provinces look like? Let's have a look:
View attachment 1250881

• Przemysl – rename to San
• Chelm – rename to Western Volhynia
• Zviahel – rename to Eastern Volhynia
• Rivne – Rename to Ostroh as it was the biggest and most important regional centre, get Dubno from Kremenets
• Kremenets – get Busk and Brody, give Dubno to Ostroh
• Terebovlia – get Buchach and Zalishchyky
• Halych – give Buchach to Terebovlia, unite with Zhydachiv province and call the united province Halychyna (here consider it as a core of the broader Halychyna)
• Eastern Podolia – rename to Rov and give Mezhybozhe to Western Podolia
• Western Podolia – get Mezhybozhe from Rov (this way there will be a perfect Podolian-Halician historic border along the Zbruch river)
• Vinnytsia – get Bratslav and Drahushiv and rename this province to Bratslav actually
• Torhovytsia – rename to Eastern Podolia (this is the perfect Eastern Podolia)
• The rest of ex-Bratslav province remane to Codimia – a very flavourful name of the lands around the Kodyma river, that was shown on multiple maps frome the time period (since the XVI century at least):

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With these changes the region province/areas setup will be kinda perfect:

Suggested​	Original​
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• Flavourful historic names and borders
• Border provinces are independent on language localisation
• Homogeneous 4-6-location provinces
• No bordergore

Bordergore of Belz probably based on Belz voivodship or Belz principality:
Busk was part of it, and it is historically relevant as I understand

It is strange that this province of Belz (Lubaczow part of Halych while the rest is a part of Volhynia) is divided between Halych and Volhynia principalities, as by Wikipedia it was a somewhat united duchy (not split by stronger powers)

Also, is there any reason to include Belz province in Red Ruthenia and not Volhynia? Chelm is included in Volhynia already. I think with Belz the border will be better and Red Ruthenia can be just called the Halych area. Or just add Chelm to Red Ruthenia for a better depiction or PLC areas. Current depiction looks like an in-between solution that doesnt please anyone

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

Bordergore of Belz probably based on Belz voivodship or Belz principality:
Busk was part of it, and it is historically relevant as I understand
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It is strange that this province of Belz (Lubaczow part of Halych while the rest is a part of Volhynia) is divided between Halych and Volhynia principalities, as by Wikipedia it was a somewhat united duchy (not split by stronger powers)

Also, is there any reason to include Belz province in Red Ruthenia and not Volhynia? Chelm is included in Volhynia already. I think with Belz the border will be better and Red Ruthenia can be just called the Halych area. Or just add Chelm to Red Ruthenia for a better depiction or PLC areas. Current depiction looks like an in-between solution that doesnt please anyone

Concerning Belz, it is a good point, but in Ukrainian perception Red Ruthenia is kind of a synonym to Halychyna, at least for me. If they use Red Ruthenia name for the area, then I would like to see Halychyna as a province name around Halych.

Unlike the historical border with Podolia (the Zbruch river), the 'border' with Volhynia is more 'blurred' and mostly it is now about the border between the Lviv and Volyn oblasts. And Belz itself is in the Lviv oblast and historically it was something in between. And Volhynia is already larger. So I did not change it, quite a thin ice But yes, the border would be nicer.

I think the general approach is quite right, southern part is Halychyna, northern is Volhynia. Especially because the Red Ruthenia term firstly appeared in the XV century after Poland and Lithuania took Halych and Volhynian duchies, respectively (but I am OK with the term).

The people I showed the map outside the forum were quite happy with the setup, so no Halych-Volhynian war is expected about it

 

[ibvfteh]

Concerning Belz, it is a good point, but in Ukrainian perception Red Ruthenia is kind of a synonym to Halychyna, at least for me. If they use Red Ruthenia name for the area, then I would like to see Halychyna as a province name around Halych.

Unlike the historical border with Podolia (the Zbruch river), the 'border' with Volhynia is more 'blurred' and mostly it is now about the border between the Lviv and Volyn oblasts. And Belz itself is in the Lviv oblast and historically it was something in between. And Volhynia is already larger. So I did not change it, quite a thin ice But yes, the border would be nicer.

The people I showed the map outside the forum were quite happy with the setup, so no Halych-Volhynian war is expected about it

Maybe then an area inspired by:

containing Premysl, Sanok, Belz and Chelm.

It is just strange to base the area on modern administrative divisions. As it is blurred, it can just follow the division of Halych and Volhynia principalities in the game for example. Or full-on historical areas.

 

[ibvfteh]

And following this provinces rework, I would like to suggest a better Areas setup in the region that will be more accurate and can mitigate some issues.
If provinces mostly look like a more 'technical' thing, representing a group of locations, then areas represent real historical and cultural regions that players are familiar with (like Normandy, Moravia, Lombardy, Asturia etc.).

View attachment 1250967

Issues:​ Polesia area looks too small, covering less than a half of actual Polesia Ukraine/East-West Dnipro(Dnieper)/Left-Right Bank areas discussions and inconsistency (already renamed back and forth in different maps)

Firstly, if we compare the Polesia area in the game with the actual and historical Polesia region, it is obvious that it can be expanded (I attach a modern and a 1613 map):

View attachment 1250969

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• So Polesia area should get Olevsk, Ovruch, Chornobyl, Masyr provinces to be more balanced and much more hitorical.
• This way the reduced Ukraine area can be united with the historical Pereyaslav lands on the other side of the Dnipro and make a perfect Ukraine area.
• Actually this was exactly around the times when this word started to designate the lands around Kyiv and Pereyaslav.
• As a reminder, Gomel province should be transfered to Severia area as it was a core part of the Duchy of Chernihiv
• The border between the Black and White Ruthenias can be adjusted to balance the sizes, if needed

Province mapmode​	Tinto Maps Special Edition (World) – Areas Map​
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This would also match the Polesian culture far better (you drew the culture absolutely correctly):​

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Final areas setup:​

Suggested​	Original​
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Maybe then an area inspired by:
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containing Premysl, Sanok, Belz and Chelm.

It is just strange to base the area on modern administrative divisions. As it is blurred, it can just follow the division of Halych and Volhynia principalities in the game for example. Or full-on historical areas.

Also as a proposal this can be taken into consideration

It also explains why Podolia may have the border differently from your proposal

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

Maybe then an area inspired by:
View attachment 1251033
containing Premysl, Sanok, Belz and Chelm.

It is just strange to base the area on modern administrative divisions. As it is blurred, it can just follow the division of Halych and Volhynia principalities in the game for example. Or full-on historical areas.

Modern administrative division between the Lviv and Volyn oblasts follow the exact border between the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires, that probably followed the earlier administrative division of the Commonwealth. In the game it does not follow the modern-day borders either.

I see it as an approximate border between the Duchies of Halych and Volhynia in 1199, when they got united in a PU and I am quite happy about it:

Your maps are more actual after 1340 when the Poles and Lithuanians divided the H-V lands between themselves, so I get the devs' inspiration.

Also here is an approximate administrative division map during the rule of Yuriy II (1323 – 1340), far less bordergore than under the polish rule

And probably Belz fits better into Volhynia area, yes.

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

It is strange that this province of Belz (Lubaczow part of Halych while the rest is a part of Volhynia) is divided between Halych and Volhynia principalities, as by Wikipedia it was a somewhat united duchy (not split by stronger powers)

FYI, after some research it is now clear.
The Ipatian and Lavrentian cronicles clearly define Halician and Volhynian towns around the unification in 1199, Liubachiv was Halician and Belz – Volhynian:

This is perfectly shown by the border between the countries. But the provinces were made based on the later Polish administrative division.

To my mind, the border between the areas should just follow the political and historical border there, so Liubachiv location should be transfered to one of Halician provinces.

Historically accurate and no bordergore:

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

FYI, after some research it is now clear.
The Ipatian and Lavrentian cronilces clearly define Halician and Volhynian towns around the unification in 1199, Liubachiv was Halician and Belz – Volhynian:

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This is perfectly shown by the border between the countries. But the provinces were made based on the later Polish administrative division.

To my mind, the border between the areas should just follow the political border there, so Liubachiv location should be transfered to one of Halician provinces.
Historically accurate and no bordergore:
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So this would be the setup – Liubachiv goes to San (Przemysl/Peremyshl) province (with Busk optionally returned to Belz):

Because the administrative division of Halych-Volhynia was more homogeneous and less bordergore:

 

[The Ciceronian]

I am deeply opposed to the proposed changes regarding the province and area distribution of Red Ruthenia, Volhynia, Podolia and Right-bank Ukraine. The current setup after a feedback follows the historical subdivisions inside the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth almost on point and I don't see any reason why it should be changed. I also don't understand what's the point of providing a debatable maps from outside the game timeframe when there are multitude accurate sources for that period. The game starts in the year 1337 and encompasses 500, precisely in which the 400 years of the Polish-Lithuanian Union came to be. It's only logical to follow the borders established within that polities and that's exactly what the devs are currently doing.

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

I am deeply opposed to the proposed changes regarding the province and area distribution of Red Ruthenia, Volhynia, Podolia and Right-bank Ukraine. The current setup after a feedback follows the historical subdivisions inside the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth almost on point and I don't see any reason why it should be changed. I also don't understand what's the point of providing a debatable maps from outside the game timeframe when there are multitude accurate sources for that period. The game starts in the year 1337 and encompasses 500, precisely in which the 400 years of the Polish-Lithuanian Union came to be. It's only logical to follow the borders established within that polities and that's exactly what the devs are currently doing.

As far as I recall, if possible, the devs mostly follow the 1337 situation, avoiding unnecessary anachronisms.
I can understand it in Americas or in the Steppes, but Kyiv, Halicia and Volhynia had had their own recorded history for >300 years by the start date and deserve to be treated with regard to their history. Like other European countries.

Also, are those maps debatable just because you do not like them or are there any other arguments?
The maps are from Крип'якевич I., Галицько-Волинське князівство (1984), that summarised data from cronicles with all references. And described what were the Halician and Volhynian lands consisting of.

Areas in the game to me look like established historical-geographical regions, familiar to players, like Gascony, Slovakia, Lombardy, Catalonia, Prussia etc. I do not see any reason why Halicia, Podolia or Ukraine area should be an exception. Especially when Polesia covers less than 1/4 of what is considered to be Polesia, for example.

Concerning the Ukraine area, it must be united on both sides to represent the historical Kyivan land by 1337 (and, for example, Kyivan duchy within Lithuania later).
Me and other Ukrainians from the community, where we discuss it, totally agreed on the suggestion.

 

[Dan29067]

I think it would be better to avoid using names like 'Eastern Podolia' and 'Western Podolia' or other regional names like these for province-level divisions, as they usually describe a larger amount of territory than a single province. For example 'Western Podolia' and 'Eastern Podolia' typically refer to territories of future Podolia (proper) and the Bratslav Voivodeships, respectively—essentially the two halves of the Podolia region. It would be preferable to name provinces after their main cities, as is done elsewhere, to avoid confusion.

 

[Patron Pes]

The game starts in the year 1337 and encompasses 500, precisely in which the 400 years of the Polish-Lithuanian Union came to be. It's only logical to follow the borders established within that polities and that's exactly what the devs are currently doing.

I dont care much about Halychyna/Volyn/Podolia exact border because it shifted in history and can be different interpretations. But tiny Polesia without Mozyr, ovruch, Chornobyl and separated Kyiv land by Dnipro is not acceptable.
Moreover in Lithanian duchy KYiv was for a long time as this complete area that was called Ukraine (either as borderland or the land do not even matter). And the separation happened on right-left banks more than 300 years after start when Poles and Muskovy divided it along Dnipro.

So please, treat it the same like historical areas everywhere else. Main historical areas here, except for those in south and east, were already established by the start date 1337 and only cemented under the influence of division in Poland, Lithuania.

In the south and east I agrre on having Zaporizhia, Black sea steppe, Azov steppe, Crimea, Sloboda areas. Again I am ok with minor border fluctuations for balance.

It would be preferable to name provinces after their main cities, as is done elsewhere, to avoid confusion.

Torhovytsia – rename to Eastern Podolia (this is the perfect Eastern Podolia)

Little regions on this map can be provinces (Porosia south to Kyiv, Posulia in Poltava oblast, Opillia in Terebovlia)
For example instead of Torgovytsa or eastern Podolia it is exactly Pobuzhia! And I like Kodimia!

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

I dont care much about Halychyna/Volyn/Podolia exact border because it shifted in history and can be different interpretations. But tiny Polesia without Mozyr, ovruch, Chornobyl and separated Kyiv land by Dnipro is not acceptable.
Moreover in Lithanian duchy KYiv was for a long time as this complete area that was called Ukraine (either as borderland or the land do not even matter). And the separation happened on right-left banks more than 300 years after start when Poles and Muskovy divided it along Dnipro.

So please, treat it the same like historical areas everywhere else. Main historical areas here, except for those in south and east, were already established by the start date 1337 and only cemented under the influence of division in Poland, Lithuania.
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In the south and east I agrre on having Zaporizhia, Black sea steppe, Azov steppe, Crimea, Sloboda areas. Again I am ok with minor border fluctuations for balance.



Little regions on this map can be provinces (Porosia south to Kyiv, Posulia in Poltava oblast, Opillia in Terebovlia)
For example instead of Torgovytsa or eastern Podolia it is exactly Pobuzhia! And I like Kodimia!

Thanks for tips! Opillia, Porossia, Posulia, Pobuzhia look really authentic and flavourful. And well localised. I'll update it:

 

[WHaste333]

There is no such a thing as a pruthenian culture. The culture in question is old prussian, please rename.

The name pruthenian is a morphing of the prussians themselves over time from prūši, to pruzzen, to pruthen, to pruthenian.

 

[Teutonic_Knight_2000]

List of potential unique buildings for the Silesia region:

Romanesque rotunda in Cieszyn

Co-Cathedral of the Assumption of the Virgin Mary in Opava​

The Old Town Hall in Wrocław represents Saxon and Lusatian influences


Srebna Góra Fort

Brzeg Castle, one of the finest examples of Italian influenced Renaissance architecture in Silesia

Exaltation of the Holy Cross Church in Jelenia Góra​

Oleśnica Castle


Bielsko Castle

Main building of the University of Wrocław


Czocha Castle

Church of Peace in Świdnica


Kłodzko Fortress

Pszczyna Castle

Książ Castle


The Prince's Brewery in Tychy


Gold Mine in Złoty Stok

Königin Luise Mine in Zabrze


Zinc Smelter in Katowice

Königshütte in Królewska Huta (Chorzów)


Żywiec Old Castle


Frydek Castle


Frysztat Castle

Basilica of St. James and St. Agnes in Nysa


Zator Castle

Bytom Castle


Silesian Ostrava Castle

Gliwice Castle

Opole Castle


Prudnik Castle


Namysłów Castle

Co-Cathedral of St. Jadwiga of Silesia in Zielona Góra


Głogów Castle

Racibórz Castle


Hoym Coal Mine

Town Hall in Lwówek Śląski


Silver Mine in Tarnowskie Góry

Legnica Castle

Vang Stave Church in Karpacz

Outstanding figures:

Dukes:

1. Henry the Pious
2. Saint Jadwiga of Silesia
3. Hans Heinrich XV von Hochberg
4. Hanusz II the Good
5. George Hohenzollern-Ansbach the Pious
6. John Christian of Brieg
7. Henry V the Iron
8. George William of Legnica

Aristocrats:

1. Hugo I Henckel von Donnesmarck
2. Johann Adam de Garnier

Commanders:

1. Hans Ulrich Schaffgotsch

Raubritters:

1. Black Christopher from Olszanica
2. Hans von Tschirn
3. Hans von Koetwitz
4. Fritsche Gradis

Industrialists:

1. Franz von Winckler
2. Karl Godula
3. Samuel Fränkel

Engineers:

1. John Baildon
2. Fridrich Wilhelm von Reden

Artists:

1. Georg Philipp Teleman - musician
2. August Kiss - sculptor
3. Joseph von Eichendorff - poet
4. Johann Franz Hoffmann - painter
5. Jeremias Josef Knechtel - painter
6. Bernard Krause - painter
7. Michael Willmann Młodszy - painter
8. Bartłomiej Strobel - painter
9. Michael Willmann - painter
10. Philip Christian Bentum - painter
11. Jan of Zittau - porthole
12. Jan Kryštof Liška - painter
13. Pahr family - family of architects
14. Carlo Rossi - architect
15. Jan Schubert - sculptor
16. Alois Taux - musician

Clergy:

1. Saint Jacek Odrowąż
2. Johannes Baptista von Albertini
3. Jan Herbinius
4. Seweryn Jung
5. Kaspar Schwenkfeld von Ossig
6. Wacław Waxmański
7. Luise zu Stolberg-Wernigerode
8. Joseph Schaffranek

Scholars:

1. Anzelm Ephorinus - Humanist
2. Angelus Silesius (Johannes Scheffler) -doctor, philosopher, poet
3. Witello from Silesia - philosopher, physicist, mathematician, optician
4. Reginald Kneifl
5. Jan Gotfryd Theiner - doctor
6. Johann Wilhelm Ritter - physicist

Merchants:

1. Friedrich Gielczewsky
2. Nicolaus Copernicus Sr. (father of astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus)

Politicians:

1. Franz Freiherr von Hein
2. Hans Ernst von Kottwitz
3. Karl Georg von Hoym
4. Józef Lompa

List of sample surnames of the Silesian Nobility:
Alker, Altmann, Apostolsky oder Postolsky, Arnim, Arnold, Asch, Aulok, Axleben, Axt, Baildon-Briestwell, Ballestrem, Balwin, Banck, Baruth, Bawor, Berbisdorf, Berge, Bes, Beer, Beess und Chrostin, Berka, Betsch, Běšin, Beyer, Bibran, Bibritsch, Bilcer, Bindemann, Bischofswerdt, Blacha, Bludovsky, Bock, Bocken, Boltzen, Borschnitz, Borek, Borwitz, Brauchitsch, Braun, Braunek, Brauneck, Biberstein, Birkhan, Brigido, Brzesky, Buday, Buddenbrock, Buswoy, Bytomsky, Canitz und Dallwitz, Celesta, Czelo von Czechowitz, Czeschau, Czettritz, Czirn, Dalibór, Decken-Bruhoff, Demryc, Demritz, Diebitsch, Dobschitz, Dobritsch, Dohna, Donnersmarck, Draschwitz, Duchze, Dyhrn, Dziewunty, Eichborn, Eichholz, Elbel, Ender, Enich, Erbach, Falkenhayn, Falkenhorst, Fargas, Fitschen, Foglar, Frankenberg, Francken, Frobel, Fulštejn, Gaffron, von Garnier, Gaschin, Geissler, Gelhorn, Gerlach, Gersdorf, Gfug, Giesche, Glaubitz, Glommer, Gordon, Görlich, Götzen, Gregersdorf, Grünberg, Gruttschreiber, Gütschow, Guttenstein, Gusner, Habsburg, Halama von Jičin, Hantke von Lilienfeld, Hantken von Prudnik, Hanwalt, Harrach, Hartig, Hatzfeld, Hartitzsch, Haugwitz, Haunolt, Helm von Wischkowitz, Herberstein, Hederich, Hemm, Herman, Hermann, Henckel, Henel, Hennigsdorf, Herberstein, Heugel, Heyde, Heydebrand, Heynitz, Hildebrand, Hirsch, Hohenhausen,, Hochberg, Hohenzollern, Hocke, Hoditz, Hoffmann, Hohenlohe, von und zu Hohenstein, Holly, Honbicki, Horecky von Horka, Hundt, Jakvek von Krelkov, Januszky, Jerla, Jesor, Jokay, Jordan, Kaba von Rybňan, Kager von Globen, Kaius, Kalckreuth, Kapaun von Svojkov, Kasperlik, Kecherle, Kiczki, Kinsky, Kittlitz, Klette, Kloch, Kluger, Knobelsdorff, Köckeritz, Kobylka, Kolditz, Korn, Kramsta, Koppet, Kospoth, Kosput, Koschembahr, Kostka, Kottwitz, Kotulinsky, Kowalsky, Kralitz, Krane, Krawarz, Kreckwitz, Kreischelwitz, Krockow, Krohn, Kropáč, Kropacz, Kuhl, Kulmitz, Kurzbach, Kyau, Lachmann-Falkenau, Landskron, Lang, Langenau, Larisch, von Leippe, de Lippa, Lessel, Lest, Lichtenburg, Liechtenstein, Liebdaler, Liebenau, Liedlau, Lindheim, Lischka, Loeben, Löbbecke, Logau, Lohenstein, Lottum, Luck, Lukau, Lüttwitz, Magnis, Maltzahn, Matuschka, Mauschwitz, Maxen, Mattencloit, Mettich, Mikusch, Mleschko, Moczygemba, Motschelnitz, Morawitzky, Mosch, Müffling, Mühlheim, Münchhausen, Nassau, Niebelschütz, Niemitz, Niesemeuschel, Nimptsch, von Nostitz, Nowack, Ogigiel, Obešlik von Lipultovic, Obisch Ochab, Oppel, Oppersdorff, Orlick, Osterperg, Otterstedt, Pachta, Packisch-Festenberg, Paczensky, Pannwitz, Parchwitz, Pelchrzim, Pelcka, Peterswald, Petrasch, Pfeil, Piast, Pilch, Pifko, Plissen, Pogrel, Pohledetzky, von Poncet, Poppschütz, Porschnitz, Portatius, Poser, Post, Praschma, Predel, Prittwitz, Promnitz, Pückler, Rackel, Radetzki, Rappach, von Ratibor und Corvey, Ratschin, Rätzke, Raussendorff, Rechenberg, von Reden, Regensperg, Rehbinder, von Reibnitz, Reichaw, Reichenbach, Reideburg, Reinsberg, Reisewitz, Richthofen, Rödern, Rochra, von Rohnau, Rohr, Rothenburg, Rothkirch, Ruditzki, Runge, Saalhausen, Sack, von Sagan, Salis, Salisch, Saint-Genois, Saltza, Sandreczky, Sauermanner, Saurma, Schaffgotsch, Scheliha, Schellendorf, Schenckendorff, Schickfus, Schindel, Schlabrendorf, Schlieben, Schlichting, Schliewitz, Schmettau, Schmidel, Schnellenwald, Schoenberg, Sedlnitzky, Schönaich-Carolath, Schönburg, Schreibersdorf, Schütz, Schweinichen, Schweinitz, Schwerin, Schwenckfeld, Sebottendorf, Seherr von Thoss, Seidlitz, Seydlitz, Senitz, Silhan, Silheim, Solms-Braunfels, Sommerfeld, Spaetgen, Spens, die Stange zu Kunitz, Stechow, Stiebitz, Stillfried, Stoltz, Stosch, Strachwitz, von Sweyn, Szwajnoch, Tader, Temritz, Talckenberg, Thurzo, Trach, Trauttmansdorff, Trolio, Tschammer, Tscherny, Tschischwitz, Tscheschaw, Tcheschau, Tschirnhaus, Tschirschky und Reichel, Tunkel, Ullesdorf, Unruh, Unwerth, Üchtritz, Waldau, Waldenburg, Walditz, Waniczek, Warnsdorf, Wartensleben, Welczeck, Wilczeck, Winz, Weisbach, Wiese, Wildau, Wolframsdorf, Wratislaw, Wrbna, Veltheim, Vranov, Vyškota von Vodnik, Yorck von Wartenburg, Zajonschek, Zedlitz, von Zedlitz-Neukirch, Želecký von Počenic, Zeschau, Zibulcka, Ziethen, Zigan, Zhorský von Zhorze, Zobeltitz, Žampach von Pottenstein, Žňovský von Korkyně

Source (in Silesian): https://szl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ślōnske_familije_szlachecke

Other Silesian surnames:
Anczok, Andzioł, Andziul, Aptekorz, Aptyka, Babioch, Bablok, Bacik, Badura, Baluch, Bambynek, Banisch, Bartocha, Basczok, Bazgier, Baszton, Beblik, Bedrunka, Belok, Benisz, Białas, Biczek, Biegon, Bielesz, Bienek, Bienioszek, Biesok, Bigdon, Bilich, Bitniok, Bobrzyk, Bochynek, Bodora, Bojdoł, Bolik, Bombik, Borosz, Borutka, Brachaczek, Branny, Breguła, Broja, Brychlik, Brzitwa, Bugdoł, Bujoczek, Burziwoda, Bylok, Cedziwoda, Cempulik, Chleborz, Chodura, Chromik, Chybiorz, Cibura, Cieplik, Ciomber, Ciomperlik, Ciongwa, Ciurlok, Cofalik, Curlok, Cyron, Czarnynoga, Czech, Czembor, Czerner, Czmajduch, Czora, Czorniczek, Czura, Czurlok, Czwiorok, Czypionka, Debudaj, Dembiniok, Derlik, Dorulok, Drabiniok, Drosdziok, Drzyzga, Dulniok, Dwucet, Dyga, Dymorz, Działach, Dziambor, Dzida, Dziewior, Dziuk, Elisch, Fabisz, Famula, Famulok, Farniok, Ferdyan, Firla, Franciok, Franik, Furas, Furgol, Fylok, Gajda, Gala, Galios, Galenziok, Garbas, Garcorz, Garus, Gaszok, Gawlik, Gigla, Gizdoń, Glagla, Gliniorz, Glombik, Głodniok, Gmyrek, Gniozdorz, Gniza, Godziek, Godula, Gogolok, Gogulla, Gordzielik, Gorki, Gorywoda, Gorzelik, Grabolus, Gralla, Gramula, Griszke, Grobosz, Grochla, Grolik, Gruchlik, Grzeja, Grzomba, Guziel, Habier, Hadula, Hajda, Halupczok, Hanke, Helisz, Herisz, Hetmaniok, Hombek, Huda, Hutny, Hybiorz, Ibrom, Imiela, Jableka, Jatzek, Jachnik, Jagusiok, Jandzioł, Janecko, Janica, Janocha, Janoszek, Janota, Janta, Janysik, Jaromin, Jedzok, Jeglorz, Jelonek, Jonderko, Jonecko, Jonkisz, Juraszek, Jurochnik, Kabocik, Kabuła, Kadzioch, Kaliga, Kaloch, Kałamała, Kandzia, Kaprol, Kapuściok, Karwat, Kaszny, Kawulok, Kempny, Kipka, Klapec, Klimala, Kluczniok, Klyszcz, Kobior, Kochut, Kociok, Kocur, Koczor, Kolny, Koloch, Komor, Konieczko, Kopiec, Kopyciok, Korfanty, Koryciorz, Kotysz, Kotula, Kozub, Koźlik, Krajczok, Krentorz, Krystek, Krzep, Krziwon, Ksionsyk, Kubica, Kulodzik, Kulpok, Kupka, Kurzacz, Kuś, Kusz, Kuszka, Kuzior, Kuźnik, Kwapik, Kwiatoń, Labisz, Lebuda, Ledwoch, Lipok, Lisoń, Lotko, Łabaj, Machnik, Machoń, Machura, Macioł, Makosz, Mandrysz, Maroń, Materlik, Mechnik, Michnik, Mielimonka, Miensopust, Mika, Misz, Moczigemba, Morawin, Mordeja, Musiolik, Niedoba, Nielaba, Nogły, Nosiadek, Nowrotek, Odelga, Olejok, Opioł, Otremba, Paciok, Palemba, Pampuch, Papierok, Piechaczek, Pieczka, Piernikorz, Piesiur, Pietryja, Pilich, Pindur, Piszczek, Pindur, Pitas, Plaszczymonka, Plewniok, Pochcioł, Polnik, Popenda, Porombka, Promny, Przeliorz, Przybyła, Psiorz, Pszczelorz, Puzoń, Pyka, Pyrcik, Pyszniok, Raszka, Rataj, Rduch, Remiorz, Respondek, Ruśniok, Rybiorz, Rzychoń, Rzitka, Salisz, Samol, Sapok, Schmeiduch, Sczeponek, Sierny, Sitko, Siwy, Siwoń, Skalbaniok, Skaźnik, Skliniorz, Skolik, Skopek, Skrobol, Skupnik, Słowioczek, Smarzoch, Smoczok, Smolorz, Smuda, Sobala, Sobik, Sówka, Sporysek, Spura, Stabik, Starzoch, Stawinoga, Stenchlik, Stompel, Strzedula, Strzoda, Studnik, Subelok, Syguda, Szczasny, Szczypka, Szewior, Szkatuła, Szkrobol, Szłapa, Szmatloch, Szołtysek, Szromek, Szwarlik, Szygula, Szymura, Śmieja, Śruborz, Świdergoł, Świenty, Świergolik, Tatoj, Tiszbierek, Tobolik, Toszek, Troszok, Trzaskalik, Twardoch, Ulczok, Urzeniczok, Waduła, Walochnik, Waluga, Warcok, Warzic, Wąglorz, Wengrzik, Wicher, Wieja, Wilga, Wodniok, Wojtala, Wosz, Wowry, Wyleżoł, Wyrwich, Wyżgoł, Zachnik, Zadora, Zarembik, Zdebel, Zembok, Zemlok, Zgrzebniok, Ziebura, Zieleźnik, Zieleźny, Zimnol, Zmarzły, Zogornik, Zupok, Ziska, Żemlok, Żur, Żymła

Male names:
Achim, Adolf (Dolfik), Albert, Alfons, Alfred, Alojz, Jyndrek, Tonik, August, Bernard, Bruno, Czesik, Damian, Edward (Ecik), Emanuel (Manek), Emil, Erich, Erwin (Yrwin), Ojgen, Ewald, Francik, Friedrich (Frydek), Gyrard, Gustlik, Hubert (Bercik), Helmut, Hajnel or Hajnrich, Ignac, Johan (Hanys), Jorg, Joseph (Zeflik, Pepiczek), Karol (Karlik), Kazmir, Krystian, Leon, Ludwig, Maximilian (Maks), Manfred, Maniek, Michoł, Niklaus, Otto (Otek), Paul, Pjeter, Raymond (Mundek), Rajnhold (Holdek), Raflik, Robert, Rudolf (Rudzik), Richart, Stanik, Selwa, Sztefan, Szczepon, Theodor, Waldemar (Waldzik), Walter, Wilhelm (Wilem), Zynek, Zygfryd (Ziga), Sigismund (Zyga)

Female names:
Adelajda, Agnes, Berta, Aloisia (Alojza), Amalia, Stazyja, Angela (Nela), Ana, Antonina (Tondla), Apollonia (Dinka), Augustine (Gustla), Barbara, Beate, Bernadette (Bernata), Bibiana, Blandina (Blandyna), Bohumila (Bogulka), Broncla, Brygida, Cila, Dora, Edeltraud (Trauta), Edita, Elza, Emilie (Milka), Emma (Yma), Erna, Erika, Felcia, Frida, Gynia, Felicia (Felcia), Folrentine (Tina), Franziska (Francla), Gabriele, Genoveva (Gefa), Gertruda (Truda), Gizela, Hanna (Hana), Helene (Hela), Hynia, Herma, Hildegarda (Hilda), Ingrid, Irma, Hedwig (Hejdla), Jana, Johanna (Aniszka), Zyta, Katharina (Katla), Christine (Krystla), Lida, Luzia (Luca), Lucy (Ucyja), Madeleine (Magda), Margarete (Gryjta), Maria (Maryjka), Marianna (Mańka), Matilda (Tylda), Ottilie (Tila), Rosalie (Ruzala), Rose (Rołza), Salomea (Zalka), Seraphina (Zerka), Stefanie (Sztefka), Theresa (Tereza), Ursula (Usia), Victoria (Wichtora), Wilhelmina (Wilma), Zenobia, Sophia (Zofija)

 

[Monty is staring at me]

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Vang Stave Church in Karpacz

The Vang Church is out of the time frame for Project Caesar, though. But nice effort post!

Moszna Castle too.

 

[Teutonic_Knight_2000]

The Vang Church is out of the time frame for Project Caesar, though. But nice effort post!

Moszna Castle too.

Sorry for the mistake. I will replace it (I will also add a few buildings from the Duchies of Oświęcim, Zator and Żywiec).

Although Vang's church was built in the 12th/13th century but in Norway. It was moved to Lower Silesia a few years after the end of the EU5 time frame.

 

[NGASAK]

Smolenskian as Belarusian

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We are way past the point for a feedback, but still, i want to point out, that even russian linguists of 19-20 centuries classified Polesian dialect as closer to Ukrainian language and it's hard to accuse them of bias in this particular issue

 

[Teutonic_Knight_2000]

I think that the area of Podlasie should have a mixed population of Polish, Yotvingian and Polesian people.

Only after the incorporation of Podlasie into Poland did the Polish population gradually begin to dominate.

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We are way past the point for a feedback, but still, i want to point out, that even russian linguists of 19-20 centuries classified Polesian dialect as closer to Ukrainian language and it's hard to accuse them of bias in this particular issue