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1. ravenna a small Italy country
2.Eastern Roman Empire make it great again
3.Ming another empire, make it great
4.the Knights Hospitaller Crusades! yes, yes!
5.Lucca another small Italy country
6. 7. 8. 9. 10. eh... actually I don't have some many interested countries
 
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I had Cocom on my list but, as much as I'd like to play them for the League of Mayapan content, I think I'll update my top nations to include Tlaxcallan instead. There's gotta be plenty of content for them and they're currently the only republic in the new world.
 
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1. Hesse. My pet German Minor.
2. Ireland. Racing to become strong enough to get good alliances/beef up before England comes for you is always fun.
3. Portugal. Medium sized trading power. Capable of colonizing anywhere in the world you want, making lots of money in trade, and traditional alliance with England means you can do it relatively risk free.
4. ERE. Game starts around the last chance the ERE has to try and recover from a desperate position. Manpower in the ERE was so low at this point that the majority of battles in the later half of the war was fought by non-Roman armies in the surrounding Kingdoms fighting each other trying to carve up pieces of what was left and looting absolutely everything.
5. Denmark. I just enjoy the power dynamics of being a smaller nation trying to keep two bigger ones under your command.
6. Knights of Rhodes. A doomed nation with a dying Crusader spirit.
7. Pope:
8. Venice and Genoa. I love my trade.
9. Yuan. China. Need I say more?
10. Hordes for Hordelife. Need I say more?
 
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  1. Mindanao/Visayan polities, starting with Subanon
  2. Tibet
  3. Byzantium
  4. Japanese Daimyos
  5. Taungoo
  6. Ayutthaya
  7. South Indian nations including in Sri Lanka (No more big and dumb Vijay to ruin my fun)
  8. Armenia
  9. Irish minors
  10. Any of the countries in the Persian area to either form Persia or unite the Ilkhanate.
 
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1. Safawiyyah Holy Order if they exist at start (Safavid Empire run yay) - would be like crazy hard to do with the Ilkhanate situation going on AND Timur rising up.
2. Oda clan - To survive the golden era of the Ashikagas and then go for the warring states and try to form the Oda Shogunate without getting seppuku'd.
3. Satgaon Sultanate - Unite the 3 Bengali sultanates as the Ilyas Shahi, restore Bengal Sultanate, become free from the Delhi Sultanate, go Hindu/Buddhist, turn south to the odisha lands and then east for a burmese expansion campaign.
4. Kingdom of England - A classic. Timeless. Will always treat you right. 100 years war. Beautiful. Oh and some colonizations.
5. Hanthawaddy Kingdom - Restore the great Ramanyadesa by conquering the burmese kingdoms, expel/force convert the Tais and establish the mandala vassals of Haripunchai and Dvaravati.
6. Crown of Castile - I wanna see how this conquistador things work like that sounds so cool. And also wanna see just how much land I can get on the mainland through the habsburgs (eventually).
7. Ottomans - You know why.
8. Western Chagatai vassals - Wanna go for the timmy run.
9. Mali -> Songhai. Wanna test the limits of my patience and see if I can conquer Ethiopia.
10. Byzantine Empire -> Rome. Everyone dreams of Rome.
 
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Really can't decide what I would want to play first, lol.
  • Wallachia: modest size with interesting goods and proximity to various historical powers
  • Georgia: richly detailed diplomatic position with defensive geography and a religious/cultural frontier
  • Yemen: challenging terrain/internal divisions and isolated geography, with great maritime and trade potential
  • One of the starts in Madagascar: who doesn't like an island start? Early opportunities to settle and consolidate the island, with looming colonial-period challenges
  • One of the Japanese Daimyo: Shogun 2 Total War in my PGSG?
  • Nepal: spiritualism and militarism in the mountains
  • Meissen: German minor into Saxony, definitely sounds like an interesting start from its TF
  • Tonga Time!
  • One of the Apache or Navajo: hoping the Americas game is finally up to snuff
  • Morocco: North Africa starts have always been interesting to me, lots of maritime potential using unconventional and asymmetric methods
 
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Condensed overview of all opinions shared in this thread:
Updated: 19/06/25 at 15:00 GMT

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  • This distribution is based on a weighted scale with people listing their #1 receiving ten points and their #10 receiving one point with all the other ones in between (#2 = nine points, #3 = eight points, etc).
  • All Tags under ten points are not shown.
  • Answers with a slash (ex: Venice/Genoa) had only the first one chosen, as it is assumed that you would play them for the same reason and I don’t want to clutter this already cluttered graph.
  • Scope answers (ex: an irish minor) were dealt with in a variety of ways. Some I gave their own answers (Ireland, Japan, Netherlands, HRE Minor, Mayans, etc), others were left out because they were too broad (a place TFs will make me love), others I replaced with tags that existed because the tag they said does not exist in 1337 but will emerge later (Ming, but not Qing -> Yuan), and others were tied into a specific tag (Nepal -> Garhwal, Daimyo -> Japan).
  • Unordered lists were retroactively reordered to fit with this model, going from first listed to tenth listed.
  • Duplicate submissions (ex: #1 France, #2 France) were treated as one submission with the higher value being the one that was added.

If you want any specific point tallies, look at the link in the post two below.
 
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King_Potat said:
Condensed overview of all opinions shared up until this point:

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  • This distribution is based on a weighted scale with people listing their #1 receiving ten points and their #10 receiving one point with all the other ones in between (#2 = nine points, #3 = eight points, etc).
  • All Tags under ten points are not shown.
  • Answers with a slash (ex: Venice/Genoa) had only the first one chosen, as it is assumed that you would play them for the same reason and I don’t want to clutter this already cluttered graph.
  • Scope answers (ex: an irish minor) were dealt with in a variety of ways. Some I gave their own answers (Ireland, Japan, Netherlands, Mayans, etc), others were left out because they were too broad (a place TFs will make me love), others I replaced with tags that existed because the tag they said does not exist in 1337 but will emerge later (Ming, but not Qing -> Yuan), and others were tied into a specific tag (Nepal -> Garhwal, Daimyo -> Japan).
  • Unordered lists were retroactively reordered to fit with this model, going from first listed to tenth listed.
  • There are probably typos in the graph. I did throw this together in like 30 minutes so...

So, we can see you guys like the Byzantines, with a point total of 328 as compared to second place Ottomans total of 187, with England’s 168 and Japan’s 165 not too far behind. After that you can see what happens, with a steady trickle from Yuan’s 148 to Florence’s 100, and ultimately it's a steady slope down to Tlaxcala on 11 points. Also, only one mention of Ulm netting 3 points, shameful.

If you want any specific point tallies, just ask. I probably won't update this, ever.
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How did you do that? Some time ago I tried both ChatGPT and Grok do all the work with counting (after I tried doing it manually and giving up) but they both couldn't do it properly, returning obviously wrong answers.

And, of course, I'm not at all surprised by the winner here.
 
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Aquila SPQR said:
How did you do that? Some time ago I tried both ChatGPT and Grok do all the work with counting (after I tried doing it manually and giving up) but they both couldn't do it properly, returning obviously wrong answers.

And, of course, I'm not at all surprised by the winner here.
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I just did it manually in google sheets by copying every single list, ordering them and grouping them accordingly, duplicating each instance the amount of points it was supposed to get based on what position it was in, and then control f and wrote how many showed up. It's certainly not the best option, but I don't trust AI to do anything well ever. This is a cleaned up version of it.
 
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The Byzantines, Ottomans, and England being in the top 3 sounds about right to me, I'm just surprised that France isn't higher. I'm glad to see that there are some others who also want to play as the Baduspanids and Tlaxcala!

For the Haudenosaunee, were the votes on them before or after they were revealed to be settled tags? Not that it matters too much, just curious about whether most of the votes were when they were seemingly excluded or after they were confirmed to be added.
 
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1. Hungary
2. Hungary
3. Hungary
4. Hungary
5. Hungary
6. Hungary
7. Hungary
8. Hungary
9. Hungary
10. Hungary

That's 55 points for Gryffindor Hungary. Please update your tally accordingly, so we can win the house cup.
 
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bokorthedust said:
1. Hungary
2. Hungary
3. Hungary
4. Hungary
5. Hungary
6. Hungary
7. Hungary
8. Hungary
9. Hungary
10. Hungary

That's 55 points for Gryffindor Hungary. Please update your tally accordingly, so we can win the house cup.
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I'm afraid you're both late and in violation of the duplicate rule. So even then it would only be ten points to Hungary. Should've tried -32 points to get 7.896296e+13 points.
 
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Tahami Tsunami said:
The Byzantines, Ottomans, and England being in the top 3 sounds about right to me, I'm just surprised that France isn't higher. I'm glad to see that there are some others who also want to play as the Baduspanids and Tlaxcala!

For the Haudenosaunee, were the votes on them before or after they were revealed to be settled tags? Not that it matters too much, just curious about whether most of the votes were when they were seemingly excluded or after they were confirmed to be added.
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After
 
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King_Potat said:
Condensed overview of all opinions shared up until this point:

View attachment 1284456
  • This distribution is based on a weighted scale with people listing their #1 receiving ten points and their #10 receiving one point with all the other ones in between (#2 = nine points, #3 = eight points, etc).
  • All Tags under ten points are not shown.
  • Answers with a slash (ex: Venice/Genoa) had only the first one chosen, as it is assumed that you would play them for the same reason and I don’t want to clutter this already cluttered graph.
  • Scope answers (ex: an irish minor) were dealt with in a variety of ways. Some I gave their own answers (Ireland, Japan, Netherlands, Mayans, etc), others were left out because they were too broad (a place TFs will make me love), others I replaced with tags that existed because the tag they said does not exist in 1337 but will emerge later (Ming, but not Qing -> Yuan), and others were tied into a specific tag (Nepal -> Garhwal, Daimyo -> Japan).
  • Unordered lists were retroactively reordered to fit with this model, going from first listed to tenth listed.
  • There are probably typos in the graph. I did throw this together in like 30 minutes so...
  • Duplicate submissions (ex: #1 France, #2 France) were treated as one submission with the higher value being the one that was added.

So, we can see you guys like the Byzantines, with a point total of 328 as compared to second place Ottomans total of 187, with England’s 168 and Japan’s 165 not too far behind. After that you can see what happens, with a steady trickle from Yuan’s 148 to Florence’s 100, and ultimately it's a steady slope down to Tlaxcala on 11 points. Also, only one mention of Ulm netting 3 points, shameful.

If you want any specific point tallies, look at the link in the post two below. I probably won't update this, ever.
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I'm surprised Tenochtitlan doesn't even make the list when Cusco is so high, since they are a bit similar (small native american countries that historically would grow into empires)
 
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