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ArVass said:
Iirc the Common Language is the language of the primary culture in the country, so the language of Dalmatian - which should not be Italian, it should be Dalmatian as a separate language, or maybe merged into Gallo-Italic, as Dalmatian is closer to that. The Common Language is thus not the language of the majority, just of the primary culture - see the numerous Ilkhanate rump states that have Mongolian as the Common Language, despites Mongols being a small minority in the country.
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Agree, also I don't understand why they went with Galo-Italic instead of Dalmatian since I don't really see Galo-Italic being used anywhere else and in Dalmatia it would be pretty easy to switch those two (it might be fine if they want to use it in norther Italy also since it's as far as I can tell a pretty big group of languages).
 
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Hungary currently has 51 unique events! Around the same amount as in Eu4, but I assume it's not a 1:1 copy.

I would also buff Károly's admin stats, but maybe thats just me. The culture and religion wheel is inaccurate, but so is the map as we have already talked about it. No reason to get nervous.
 
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They have a lot to balance and fix, judging from the videos. I'd rather have a hard and challenging game where if I win, it was done through my skills and good planning, than have a few more pops outside my borders and a few more provinces.

A well balanced and challenging game can keep you engaged for hundreds of hours.
 
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The Black Death seems like it has to be nerfed; if consistently kills 140+ million people in people's videos, which is a lot more than it actually did

Edit: not livestreams
 
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ArVass said:
The Black Death seems like it has to be nerfed; if consistently kills 140+ million people in people's livestreams, which is a lot more than it actually did
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I think it’s a reasonable estimate. In Europe alone, the Black Death is believed to have killed between 30–50% of the population—roughly 25 to 50 million people. When you include the deaths in Asia and Africa, which experienced similar mortality rates, the total rises significantly. The game also uses higher population estimates, so 140+ million deaths is a high estimate but still plausible. Some historical estimates suggest up to 200 million deaths just across Eurasia.
 
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Saw some gameplay videos of the game and I really like how it looks! I'm excited to get my hands on it when it releases.
I would however like to discuss the matter on the culture map mode of Southern Albania ("Northern Epirus").
The game portrays Epirus as a Greek majority region, with territories such as Gjirokastër ("Argyrokastron") being shown as homogenously Greek.
Historically however, this doesn't seem to be the case. Albanians were documented as the majority culture "in the peninsula east of Corfu" by Venetian sources since 1210, and the presence of Albanian tribes and tribal leaders in Epirus is attested by contemporary sources as well, such as the Chronicle of Ioannina. To go on further on a gameplay perspective, 14th century Epirus historically struggled greatly to maintain those territories it already held because of Albanian rebels, and it even ended up loosing those territories to these rebels, which is what lead to the formation of the Principality of Gjirokastër ("Argyrokastron"), the Principality of Angelokastron and Lepanto and the Despotate of Arta, all lead by Albanian rebel leaders. What rebellion can Epirus in EU5 expect if Albanians in it are a tiny minority whilst territories that were centers of Albanian resistance against Epirus during this time are portrayed as homogenously Greek? It would both be more historical and more flavorable to showcase this Albanian presence.
 
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ArVass said:
Iirc the Common Language is the language of the primary culture in the country, so the language of Dalmatian - which should not be Italian, it should be Dalmatian as a separate language, or maybe merged into Gallo-Italic, as Dalmatian is closer to that. The Common Language is thus not the language of the majority, just of the primary culture - see the numerous Ilkhanate rump states that have Mongolian as the Common Language, despites Mongols being a small minority in the country.
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Dalmatian was not Gallo-Italic, it was Italo-Dalmatian, closer to Neapolitan than say Piedmontese.
 
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Domina Arberiae said:
Dalmatian was not Gallo-Italic, it was Italo-Dalmatian, closer to Neapolitan than say Piedmontese.
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Generally speaking, it should be its own language probably. But by this point it was heavily influenced by Venetian
 
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@Pavía I saw that you presented Eest Slavic languages and cultures and I am curious, or would like to ask, if you could present to us the current situation with South Slavic languages and cultures?
 
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First of all i would like to thank everyone at the studio for the excellent work in presenting history and translating it into the game. hard work but the result in my opinion will be superb.

I would have one suggestion regarding the territory under hungarian rule.

History:
1308–1310 – Charles I Robert (Anjou) gains control of Hungary → Gradual recognition of his authority by Slavonian nobles.
1322 – Ivan Babonić recognizes the authority of King Charles I → Practically rules a large part of Slavonia as a ban, with increasing independence. 1340s – Babonić's power weakens, Frankopans and other nobles strengthen → Slavonia becomes more and more integrated into the Croatian banal system of government, less under the direct influence of Buda.
1364 – Louis I of Anjou formally abolishes the separate Slavonian banate → From then on, Slavonia is governed by the same government as Croatia and Dalmatia – a unified banal administration.

I believe that Banska Slavonia should be shown on the map with a greater degree of integration and a later event that both banovinas (Croatia and Slavonia) unite. Since that is how it was throughout history.
 
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Im happy they finally changed the colour but it seems no other suggestion was implemented.

This is very likely a several month old build but to see nothing change except the colour (something the devs themselves probably would have realised sooner or later) makes me wonder what the point was of these threads.
 
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Domina Arberiae said:
Venetian also isn't Gallo-Italic, but Italo-Dalmatian, despite being in the North.
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Yes, but in the game's terms (which applies Gallo-Italian to all North Italian languages/dialects) it belongs to it.

The setup the game uses is closest to this categorization, btw (except for Sardinian and Dalmatian being Italian for some reason)

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ArVass said:
Yes, but in the game's terms (which applies Gallo-Italian to all North Italian languages/dialects) it belongs to it.

The setup the game uses is closest to this categorization, btw (except for Sardinian and Dalmatian being Italian for some reason)

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Does this mean Dalmatian is basically Italian in origin and Croatian in influence? I always thought it's in reverse.
 
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