If you consider the 74 page thesis on why Belgrade should be Bulgarian, we have reached it already.
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Alba Iulia/Gyulafehérvár/Bălgrad being derived from Bulgrad as in Bulgarian castle is officially the wildest take I have ever laid my eyes on.
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You have made it clear that voices like mine especially when they come from smaller nations like Albania arent taken seriously. I have supported this series for years, contributed historical insight, and shown passion for the games potential. If all that effort gets mocked and deleted, then your message is also clear: our perspective doesnt matter. So, Ill make my message equally clear-if respect is optional on your end, so is my support on mine. Best of luck selling a ‘historical’ game that chooses which histories are worth telling.
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Considering the mods leave racism up might aswell @ them too seems like the rules only apply when they dont agree with whats being said. They clearly agree with it here. Always good to see rules be enforced in such a professional way.
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>Tries to use Paradox's platform to argue in favor of doing something that would cost Paradox money.
>Tries to push a nationalist argument in a thread that almost got locked down because of nationalist arguments.
>Does not recognize that his best shot of making his voice heard is going to be in a year or two when Tinto is doing a pass of the Balkans.
>Lumps ArVass, Makkasag, and vikinglord together with Paradox and assumes forum lurkers are going to be the ones "selling" the game.
>Misrepresents ArVass's viewpoint after ArVass basically complimented him.
>Does not recognize Makkasag as a troll despite lurking in this thread, adds fuel to the fire instead.
Yeah... that ain't gonna go well...
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Dude I literally said you were based for it. I actually literally made a detailed proposal for Albania.
God forbid a man says anything I swear
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He's right about this, though.
Other than Northern Dobruja's shape getting changed waaaaaay at the beginning of tinto talks, I legit can't think of a single suggestion for Bulgaria which made it into the game, which begs the question what the point of these threads even was? I saw good, reasonable suggestions pile up in the eu4 subforum for a decade which never got implemented, so I figured it would be like this, but that didn't stop a lot of users from criticizing me for being negative before the feedback thread was out. Well, it's been out, and those same people are now the ones reassuring us that in a year or two paradox will finally get to fixing the Balkans. I get it, there's a subsection of users, high on hype, who will defend the devs' decisions no matter what, and it's not like most players really care about the map outside of Western Europe, but the way this whole thing was handled left a bad taste in my mouth. I just wish Paradox had been more transparent from the start about how willing they were to deviate from their vision so that I and a bunch of other people wouldn't have wasted their time reading and writing so much.
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It bothers me that Great Britain gets new feedback within the feedback loop, in a short period of time. But when you ask for feedback on the Balkans or Germany, there is no response. It's as if our opinions are not equivalent from a regional perspective.
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Welcome to the Balkans, bro. In spite of our ancient grievances, we can all find solidarity in being neglected by le swedish map game company.
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It's more like they have one content person who does content all over the place but also happens to be the person doing all the regions stuff for Great Britain specifically and can afford to constantly give feedback and the like, over and over.
Which is also why the feedback took forever to get in the first place; they were working on not other portions of the map, but other portions of the rest of their job in which the map particulars are but a small part.
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I am not from the Balkans and I have no clue how Albania should be properly portrayed on micro level, but when I see this map with that ‘Northern Greece’ snake, I can really understand the frustration, honestly.
Even to me as a neutral viewer it does not make any sense, neither geographically, nor historically, nor aesthetically.
Even ‘consistency’ argument will not work here, since Albania (Epirus, Illyria, whatsoever) area would be bigger than tiny Morea or Apulia, there are plenty of areas consisting of 3 provinces elsewhere.
Such a small and obvious detail, but supports the concerns quite a lot.
Even to me as a neutral viewer it does not make any sense, neither geographically, nor historically, nor aesthetically.
Even ‘consistency’ argument will not work here, since Albania (Epirus, Illyria, whatsoever) area would be bigger than tiny Morea or Apulia, there are plenty of areas consisting of 3 provinces elsewhere.
Such a small and obvious detail, but supports the concerns quite a lot.
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You didn't read his original post. He 1000% in the wrong. His post was deleted not for his opinion on the game, but for calling and organizing open boycott and organizing mass dislike of the game.
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Ok, did not know about that.
So, I meant only the ‘frustration part’, supported by other users in the last messages.
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I dont think we will see reworks of maps happen at all with new dlc releases and updates like they did in EU4. They can use whatever excuse they want from "modders will be sad they need to update" to "we think the map is already perfect" to not bother. It wont affect dlc sales anyway add some mission slop plus that allows Byzantine to instantly convert all turks into greeks by pressing the mission button and you are guaranteed infinite money. Those people arent that interested in if Bulgaria borders Hungary or not.
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This is what gets to me, Hungary and Bulgaria sharing a border in 1337 is one of the most grounded, uncontroversial suggestions in this thread and yet it was shot down so arbitrarily. Pavia also says that the Despotate of Karvuna will spawn by event sometime after the start date, but by all logical accounts the polity already existed during the 1320s. There are even more glaring issues, Plovdiv (a major city!) isn't supposed to be part of Bulgaria in 1337 (it was seized from Byzantium in 1344, oh, and it's supposed to be south of the Maritsa, not north of it), yet even that they get wrong. There's no way that I can look at all of this and not lose confidence in the devs, it demonstrates either an exceptionally poor, cursory understanding of history or a conscious choice to pursue a certain vision in spite of history.
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It should be spelled "Lardéa" not "Ladréa". Minor spelling mistake, I know, but just so the team doesn't forget it. I guess the three other locations:
(Aytos/Aetós, Rusokastro/Rousókastron and Burgas/Pýrgos) will get their Greek exonyms when the time comes..
I guess the three other locations:(Aytos/Aetós, Rusokastro/Rousókastron and Burgas/Pýrgos) will get their Greek exonyms when the time comes..
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First of all, chill a bit.
Second, in this very thread it has already been said how the invasion of Hungary to Bulgaria was through Wallachia. Hungary and Bulgaria do not need to share a border.
Third, the existence of the Despotate is one of those things quite up to interpretation/debate. There is not a clear and undisputed source that proves its existence, at most we can guess.
Fourth, Plovdiv is actually ingame on the correct side of the Maritsa.
Fifth, suggestions are only that. We do check them, research them to check that things are correct and implement them when our schedule allows if we agree to introduce them.
I do not like policing people, so feel free to think whatever you want. I also have no intention of looking for a confrontation, but people should really calm down a bit and be more respectful, nobody here is trying to downplay any region.
Hopefully this post gets us all to a better place.
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@EneaBako How could Shkoder be a tributary state if it was controlled by Serbian princes since times of Jovan Vladimir? I have never seen a map of Serbia (and Dioclea by extension) between 800-1420s without Shkoder/Skadar. It's pretty well documented, since Nemanjić had a tradition of placing direct heirs as administrators of Skadar (such was the case with Dušan - he did his ruling practice 101 stuff there).
Now this is not an argument for having Serbian majority or anything.
Now this is not an argument for having Serbian majority or anything.
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