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Well that was an unexpected end to the Jarrow Crusade so congratulations on that, though I have to disagree on your conclusions on it. This is absolutely the very best outcome the Left could have hoped for - a tragic failure with a convenient excuse why it didn't work. It was never going to work and would only demonstrate the uselessness of such marches, but now the left can tell themselves stories about how it would of worked but for the BUF and come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories about why the Police didn't do enough and shadowy figures adding the BUF. Compared to the alternative of admitting their ideas aren't popular and the plan was stupid, this TL surely is paradise.

I also think you massively over-estimate the prominence and importance of the BUF, total membership was barely 20,000 at absolute peak and electorally they were a rounding error. Ignoring them was an entirely sensible option and it is only the mythologising around Cable Street that has kept them anywhere near prominence. If you want an example of the moral failings of 1920s/30s Britain then it is the Peace Pledge Union you want to be worried about; 140,000 members who thought Chamberlain was "too harsh" on Germany (!!), that Germany should just be given Poland as well and that surrender was in fact the best course of action.

Feel like this new info will only lead to further info, which will lead to more info...and the more the public knows about this whole affair, the more DLG will not only not get out of this cleanly but at liberty...
This is very likely the case. At this point DLG must at least fear he is not going to win, for all the public confidence he is doubtless projecting his plan hasn't worked. Chamberlain is still favourite to emerge as PM and is famously a petty and vindictive man, he will have his revenge when in office. Even if DLG decided to risk it, or had a plane ready to carry him into exile, which paper would publish it? The 'establishment' press wouldn't touch it and Beaverbrook is not going to sacrifice his media empire for the sake of DLG's ambitions, because that is the stakes we are talking about.

Above all though I don't think it would happen because it wouldn't change anything, at best it may stop Nev and the old gang getting into power and allow someone else to be PM. But it is not going to suddenly make Eddie or DLG more popular or sway any significant number of MPs to their side when Parliament returns.
 
And tragic in the ancient Greek sense of the word. We’ve certainly had hubris along the way, and are now witnessing the exodus of the whole story. This part of it, anyway. And it could end up being a trilogy, if this is the end of the second work. I suspect it may be far from over yet.

Me and my brother figure that, barring some huge terrorist attack in the next three years, we'll be back when the next president gets in. This isn't really going to help the problems everyone is having with NATO. Or the US military continuing to be ordered to do stupid things against its own, and everyone else's advice.

We're deep into the postcolonial playbook now, so I'm guessing the next time will see partitioning being given a try.

This is absolutely the very best outcome the Left could have hoped for - a tragic failure with a convenient excuse why it didn't work.

And it vilifies the far right at the same time. And all it took was the sacrifice of a few hundred workers. A pretty good result for the political Left, indeed.

At this point DLG must at least fear he is not going to win

I think, perhaps, maybe, we might not entirely pull this one off, old sport. We may have made little, tiny fools of ourselves.

Above all though I don't think it would happen because it wouldn't change anything, at best it may stop Nev and the old gang getting into power and allow someone else to be PM.

Maybe something to bring up in the middle of an election then, out of spite. Just to make sure the old guard in its entirety is dead, on both sides. And the New Cons will have to rise to fill the gap.
 
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Oh, I far too rarely visit the HOI4 side of this AAR Land, and I cannot believe I'd missed this one for so long! I've barely breached Part 1, but I can't wait to be all caught up! Following!
 
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Chapter 65, Buckingham Palace, 4 November 1936

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As with most English games, it was more a case of ‘rain stops play’ than any decisive act by a player that eased tensions. As the unrest that had gripped London after the ‘Battle of Hyde Park’ had flickered, like the scattered embers of a fire, they had finally been stopped by heavy rain and stormy conditions. As Monckton stared out over a rainswept Mall he noticed that even the rain today seemed angrier, harder; the dull Autumnal drizzle replaced with apocalyptic thunder storms. He closed his eyes, the natural reaction of someone trying to delay an unpleasant event, even for a few more moments. That event was beginning now, as a single car sped its way briskly towards the Palace.

“Anyway, Walter, you were saying?” That was the King, who had seemed weirdly, unnervingly energised by the legal challenge to the Simpson divorce. ‘All out in the open at last,’ had been his happy comment, which to Monckton was appalling.

“Yes, Sir. David has decided to summon the Cabinet; after the deaths of a communist and a blackshirt yards from this Palace and Downing Street he could not, I believe, do otherwise. Morrison and Dalton are known to be wavering, and Winston Churchill is refusing to leave Kent.”

“Dammed politicians, Walter, what a bunch!” The King really was happy, or drunk, perhaps. He made a play punch towards Monckton’s chest that made the lawyer stagger backwards. Monckton worried for the King’s sanity.

“Yes, Sir,” he managed equably. “The newspapers, even ours, are screaming for something to be done to rein in both leftists and the right and…”

“…I thought Mosley and the Communists were in prison,” the King said, a frown forming.

“Indeed, Sir,” Monckton said patiently. “Dalton had Special Branch seized the ones we didn’t have from Hyde Park first thing Monday morning on public order offences,” Monckton said with a careful tone. “But that won’t stop him indefinitely. He’ll be released, after a magistrate has fined him or something like it.”

“Feeble.”

“Justice, Sir.”

“So,” the King said, now treating his lawyer, confidante, advisor and effectively chief of staff like an equerry. “Which tie? The red or the dark blue.”

“Definitely dark blue.”

“Huh, yes I suppose that dull bastard will approve.”

Again, the King gave Monckton the distinct impression that there was something big unsaid. “Sir, do have all the information that I need?”

“Oh, oh God, Walter you’ve prised it out of me. Wallis lands later today.”

Monckton’s heart sank. “Mrs Simpson,” he said wincing, knowing that the King hated her married name.”

But he didn’t notice, he was practically giddy with excitement. “Yes! Isn’t it wonderful?”

“Does the Prime Minister know?” Monckton’s mind was racing with the risks that had been introduced.

“Pah. Send him a note, if you like. You are still with us, aren’t you?”

Monckton was spared from discussion by a knock at the door. “Mr Chamberlain, Your Majesty,” the equerry announced.

“Oh Christ,” the King said loudly, just as the sombre figure of Neville Chamberlain arrived. “Er, thank you Walter,” he said warily as Monckton retreated.

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“Your Majesty,” Chamberlain said, coolly.

“Your note was,” the King said, refusing pleasantries, “most insistent. Although I understand that for a party leader to request to see us alone is unusual.”

“These are unusual times,” Chamberlain said, the King noting that there wasn’t the ‘Sir’ required by protocol. “I wanted you to hear what I have to say directly from me.”

“Seat?”

“It won’t be necessary, Sir,” Chamberlain injecting the ‘Sir’ with a hint of contempt. “I have now unified the Conservative Party behind me. We are the largest party in the Commons.”

“I am aware, Chamberlain,” the King said, matching the older man’s contempt. “We do get the newspapers, even yours,” he said spitefully.

“Well then,” Chamberlain said calmly. “I must insist that Parliament is recalled to debate the events of the weekend.”

“Which would lead to trouble for the Government?”

Chamberlain thought about the King’s comment, at once slightly oblique and refreshingly to the point. “I would press my claim as the leader of the largest party, yes.”

“Why are you asking this of us? Surely this a matter for you and David.”

“What I have to say, I say to you directly,” Chamberlain’s reedy voice held a surprising amount of resolve. “Allow Parliament to sit and allow a leader that can command the House to form a government and you will be permitted to remain on the throne…”

“…outrageous! The Crown will not be bullied…”

“…if you do not,” Chamberlain forced his words, gently yet insistently, through the King’s rage, “well then, I will use all of the powers at my command to see to it that your reign will be brief and your retirement one of exile and penury.”

“Mrs Simp-, er, Wallis?”

“A few months ago, Mr Baldwin set out his terms most clearly. I should know, for I helped draft them,” Chamberlain said rather smugly. “There was no place for your woman, your consort then, there will be none now.”

The King recoiled, beyond anger. He rang a small bell by the table next to him and the equerry entered. “Mr Chamberlain is leaving, I have received his message,” the King said, his anger barely suppressed.

“Yes Sir,” the equerry said nervously, sensing the tension, as a footman and Monckton arrived. Chamberlain spun on his heels, offered a very proper bow, and stalked confidently away.

“That man,” the King said as the equerry led Chamberlain away, “came to tell me to open up Parliament. I get to keep the Crown if I do,” he said, Monckton noticing that tears were forming in the King’s eyes. “But not Wallis.”

Monckton took a deep breath. “And Your Majesty would do well to consider his offer,” he saw the King’s eyes narrow, “it’s more than you will get when Lloyd George is dragged from office.”

The King’s left hand suddenly and furiously slammed onto the side table, the bell falling noisily to the floor. It was a shocking noise.

“Sir, I merely seek to offer you independent adv…”

“…what have I got next?” The King clearly wanted to change the subject.

“The new German ambassador,” Monckton said wearily, “and then I understand a small drinks reception, a private one.”

“Ah yes, to welcome her home!” His mood improved. “C’mon then.”

They walked through the most opulent parts, the state rooms, of the Palace, the King silent and tense, Monckton tired and weary. Finally, they reached the room for the audience. Sir Samuel Hoare, restored to the role of Foreign Secretary, was waiting for them (his presence was in no way mandatory but for ambassadors from important countries it was often useful for him to be ‘on station’).

“Bang on time, despite Neville’s little visit,” the King said brightly to Hoare, Monckton again astonished at his levity. Through the window he could see the State carriage (given the weather they had gone for an enclosed landau) which was bringing, in a touch of the Victorian, the Ambassador from his Embassy to this ‘receiving ceremony’.

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They were followed by a second carriage in which the Marshal of the Diplomatic Corps, General Sir Sidney Clive, travelled to present the Ambassador von Ribbentrop. General Clive alighted fussily while von Ribbentrop was clearly enjoying the pomp and ceremony.

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The King waited dutifully at his spot while Clive and von Ribbentrop advanced steadily, Clive whispering instructions. They finally stopped. Both men inclined their heads, and then von Ribbentrop offered a salute. Walter Monckton quietly but audibly groaned.

“Your Majesty,” Clive said gravely, clearly offended by the sight of the German emissary offering a salute to the King of England, “I present Herr Joachim von Ribbentrop of the German Reich, and his letter of credence from the Führer and Reichskanzler, Herr Hitler, for your approval in the hope that he be approved by Your Majesty.”

The King inclined his head, looked briefly at the letter (a glorified character reference) from the German leader and then inclined his head.

“Ambassador von Ribbentrop, I accept your letter of credence from the Führer und Reichskanzler of the German Reich and do receive you as their Ambassador to the Court of St James.” The King was smiling, and then advanced to the German, shaking his hand warmly. “I do hope that this means there will be amity between our two wonderful nations.”

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“Yes, yes,” von Ribbentrop said airily, “of course Your Majesty. Sir Samuel,” he nodded to Hoare as he and Monckton followed the King.

Hoare was slightly put out that the German seemed to focussing solely on the King. “Ambassador, I wonder, how do the Germans view England,” he said innocently to Ribbentrop.

All eyes turned to Ribbentrop, who leaned back arrogantly, as if he was taking in a view. “The Fuhrer,” he began “admires the English and your Empire. It was right that you agreed to the Naval treaty, and I am here to work towards a British and German understanding.”

“An alliance, Your Excellency?” That was Monckton, with his lawyer’s gift for seeking clarification. Hoare, as the Government’s representative, now felt that the conversation was taking a dangerous turn.

Ribbentrop frowned. “It is possible,” he said, not unlike, ironically, a ruler giving grudging permission. “But first the English have to realise that Germany will not be dictated to any more”.

Monckton looked to General Clive, who took the hint. “Thank you, Your Majesty, this way, Your Excellency.”

“No no, Sir Sidney,” the King said in a mollifying tone. “Erm, join our little party. I want to hear your views.”

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It had been an awkward few hours for Monckton. Cancelling the carriages, sending a hurt Sir Sidney Clive home, finding entertainment for von Ribbentrop, he hadn’t stopped. Finally in a suite of private drawing rooms, the King welcomed von Ribbentrop, Edward ‘Fruity’ Metcalfe and his wife, Sir Henry ‘Chips’ Channon (Lloyd George’s First Lord of the Admiralty), Sir Samuel Hoare (who had essentially refused Monckton’s entreaties for him to leave) and the Mountbattens. Monckton stayed for one glass of champagne before leaving.

“A ha!” The King beamed as a tired looking Wallis Simpson was led in to applause.

“Your Majesty,” Wallis Simpson said, bowing low to her lover.

“Wallis,” he said simply, lovingly, introducing their guests in turn.

Channon assumed a very deferential air. “Wallis,” he said, knowing the King’s preference for friends to avoid referring to her still being married. “You look radiant,” he said in obsequious reverence. “Thank you for coming,” he added, absent of anything else to say.

“Well, Chips, we Americans have to stick together,” Mrs Simpson immediately snapped, knowing Channon’s rejection of his American roots was absolute and wanting to unsettle him. It worked, as he automatically straightened, as if by appearing more formal he would appear more English. The King, oblivious to the barb and seeing only that his love had been amiable, frowned at Channon’s reaction.

“Good job Wallis, putting Chips in his place. Frightful man, and as complete a shit as I ever did see,” Metcalfe boomed, enjoying Channon’s discomfort. Channon, now overcompensating, bowed again and introduced the already-introduced German Ambassador.

“It is understood,” Ribbentrop began, scowling slightly, “that we will soon have a Royal wedding to enjoy.” Hoare immediately flushed, looking panicked, while the King frowned. Ribbentrop, not understanding the social constraints, persevered. “Are we not among our friends, tonight?”

“We are, Your Excellency,” Mountbatten tried, loyally, to spare his King’s blushes, “but have a care, if I may”.

The subtle direction failed entirely. “But, Sir Samuel, Lord Dickie,” he continued, “this is a good thing for Gross-Great Britain. But how, if I may, are you surmounting the legal problems?”

Wallis Simpson coloured while the King, wary of unnecessary confrontation, looked down at his champagne. Channon, for whom this evening’s reception was supposed the start of a dream of hosting glittering society parties, coughed to attract attention. “The Government will find a way,” he said with simple conviction. Wallis Simpson offered him a grateful smile, the King frowned heavily.

“It is a sign to me of the greatness of your constitution,” Ribbentrop declared “that you are able to, what is the world, circumvent,” Hoare winced at this, “the Church, the Parliament,” Ribbentrop continued.

Mountbatten could read his cousin well enough and seeing his discomfort coughed to change the subject. “So Chips,” he said in a languid way, the junior Commander not even vaguely deferential to the political head of the Royal Navy, “what names did we agree on?”

“The new battleships?”

“Yes,” Mountbatten said in a drawl.

Channon looked at the King. “Go on, you can tell him,” the King acquiesced.

“Well Winston had a hand,” Channon said, earning chuckles, “so we agreed on HMS Marlborough and HMS Iron Duke. Both will go ahead as drafted by the Director of Naval Construction.”

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“Just two?” That was Metcalfe; even to a dilettante like him two battleships seemed insufficient.

Channon shook his head. “Winston has agreed to fund a redesign. Perhaps reconfigure the guns, perhaps greater speed.”

“That would breach the Washington Treaty, would it not?” That was von Ribbentrop, drinking in the confidential discussions between British ministers and their King.

“And London,” Hoare said with a whine, “which I damn well had a hand in negotiating when I was at the Admiralty.”

“You can count on Germany’s support,” von Ribbentrop said immediately, earning suspicious looks from the politicians. “It was ridiculous for you to sign away your naval superiority.”

“We also,” Channon ploughed on, tiredly, “think that with a brief hiatus in battleships we can squeeze out a sister ship to Ark Royal. The proposal is that the second of class will be called HMS Audacious.” Channon looked excited at the prospect; although he was not so stupid as to believe that the Government would survive, he nevertheless dreamed of a glittering ball with he and the King (and Wallis of course) before a spectacular review of the Royal Navy at Spithead the next day. And then a peerage, after the inevitable collapse, to sit in the Lords, bask in the respect that would be his due. It was going to be wonderful.

Ribbentrop smiled a sly smirk. “So not HMS King Edward the Eighth?”

Hoare looked appalled, as did Mountbatten, but Metcalfe, boisterous, affable Metcalfe, rode to the rescue. “You’re not that arrogant, are you Your Majesty! What next? HMS Dickie Mountbatten? Escorting HMS Chips Channon?” There was laughter at that.

The King had drunk quite a lot of champagne and roared with laughter at an idea that occurred. “Why not HMS Neville Chamberlain? Eh? Buy the old Brummie bastard off with a battleship! I say, did I tell you what that ass said to me this morning…”

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GAME NOTES

Apologies for the update, a combination of supporting my wife as she launched her business, becoming that most untouchable of things, a school governor, and well, Civilisation 6 stopped me from being able to do much writing. Amidst everything else going I wanted to do a slightly gentler ‘day in the life’ update and bring the King to focus for a bit. It also serves as a way of (shock! Horror!) dealing with a game event, and some things that I am convinced would happen in the TL.

Easy stuff first and the what OTL are the KGVs are finally named as HMS Marlborough and HMS Iron Duke. The first, of course, honours Churchill’s ancestor, the victor of Blenheim (indeed I toyed with HMS Blenheim as the name for the battleship) and I am convinced that he would have picked the name. The second, still a remarkably cool name for a warship, honours the Duke of Wellington, victor of Waterloo. It was, significantly, the name of Jellicoe’s flagship at Jutland. For all the talk of them being ‘as drafted’ some minor changes have been made, and I will deal with the Washington and London issues at a later date. I also believe that Channon and Churchill would try and squeeze out, as they say, funding for a second Ark Royal class carrier. This is not in a sneaky Le Jones ‘a ha, that’ll be useful in the Med and Pacific’ way, and will have an impact in later naval developments. Escort and cruiser strategies will also be looked at in another update.

To politics next, and we have three events of utter irrelevance to a vanilla game of HOI4, but of significance to our story. Would Chamberlain really threaten the King in this way? I believe that he would, for the simple reason that he can reveal the details of it and come across as making a last ditch ‘man to man’ appeal to King Edward to do the decent thing before all hell breaks loose. Chamberlain was notoriously arrogant in dealing with royalty – his handling of Bertie (as King George VI) was one of patronising dominance, bordering on thinly veiled contempt (although he seemed to respect the institution more than its incumbents) and I am convinced with the establishment behind him he would wield his power.

We also see the Home Office and its various organs doing their bit after the clash of the left and the right. In OTL it was around this time that the UK Government passed measures to limit extremist demonstration. From this point, political marches could only legitimately happen with the consent of the police and it became illegal to wear political uniforms in public. Mosley and his British Union of Fascists never really again gained a foothold in British politics, or widespread popularity. Of course here, with Parliament closed, no such measures exist. This limits Dalton and the Metropolitan Police's ability to do much, and the spectre of wacky use of the Royal Prerogative returns, this time to demonstrate 'grip'.

Finally for domestic politics, Wallis Simpson returns. A mere footnote? Not really, if the King cannot keep her hidden away somewhere then the (already overt) involvement of the Crown in the Simpson divorce becomes patently bloody obvious. Monckton has a task on his hands...

And then to some chatty, more domesticy matters. Ribbentrop arrives, more or less as he does OTL, as German ambassador, in the manner (gloriously Ruritanian) that ambassadors were (and to an extent still are) presented to the British Monarch. He was of course something of a failure as German Ambassador; he was never quite the right sort for London and while this could have been countered by charm and grace, Ribbentrop of course lacked either.

I suspect parliament will have the good sense to stay quiet about the shit Chamberlain is in until after he is elected, boots the king out and order is restored. They can then rail on him for all he's worth and probably drive the government down to a rather weak position.

But again, this is foreboding as well because we simply do not have a wartime leader waiting in the wings to take over when Hitler goes berserk. The King's First Minister situation with Halifax or someone like him folding as soon as France falls looks very likely from where we are now.

Parliament (specifically the Tories at this stage) are absolutely playing along with Neville and his games; as ever the Party will tolerate a lot in a successful leader, and Chamberlain is head and shoulders the best (domestically) that they have to deal with all of the chaos that the King has thrown at them.

Without saying too much, the wartime situation will be markedly different from OTL - both in terms of how the war starts and how the British Government responds. All of it stemming from the chaos of 1936.

But, Chamberlain's misdeeds may be the only weapon DLG has left. How is he not shouting it to the rooftops?

And say what? The king was being spied on because his bride to be is a nazi?

No- say that beloved George V, his revered wife and all his family members were spied upon for no reason but political power.
Demonstrate the claim with the proof you have, carry the war into the newspapers, and let the fire burn.

Feel like this new info will only lead to further info, which will lead to more info...and the more the public knows about this whole affair, the more DLG will not only not get out of this cleanly but at liberty...

DLG will have to play the hand that @Director describes, the problem he has is timing. There is a lot of mud that can be thrown at Neville Chamberlain in this TL, and it might, just, undermine him. What it won't do, of course, is save the King.

Just a good little anecdote this time, and indeed a typically nasty and absurd cameo from Tom the Teapot (Crackpot, Shitepot etc).

And it's done. Done, dusted, and he can rot in prison.

Well that was an unexpected end to the Jarrow Crusade so congratulations on that, though I have to disagree on your conclusions on it. This is absolutely the very best outcome the Left could have hoped for - a tragic failure with a convenient excuse why it didn't work. It was never going to work and would only demonstrate the uselessness of such marches, but now the left can tell themselves stories about how it would of worked but for the BUF and come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories about why the Police didn't do enough and shadowy figures adding the BUF. Compared to the alternative of admitting their ideas aren't popular and the plan was stupid, this TL surely is paradise.

I also think you massively over-estimate the prominence and importance of the BUF, total membership was barely 20,000 at absolute peak and electorally they were a rounding error. Ignoring them was an entirely sensible option and it is only the mythologising around Cable Street that has kept them anywhere near prominence. If you want an example of the moral failings of 1920s/30s Britain then it is the Peace Pledge Union you want to be worried about; 140,000 members who thought Chamberlain was "too harsh" on Germany (!!), that Germany should just be given Poland as well and that surrender was in fact the best course of action.

So I will take minor umbrage at the Mosley point - I didn't, deliberately, give precise numbers for the blackshirts in Hyde Park to avoid this very point. I guess that I had in mind a lion attacking a herd of cattle; a couple of scary thugs could cause panic among the slightly less aggressive protesters.

Look, I had to deal, in some way, with Mosley - tis done, and the horrible man, and God willing his horrible family, need never feature again.

Me and my brother figure that, barring some huge terrorist attack in the next three years, we'll be back when the next president gets in. This isn't really going to help the problems everyone is having with NATO. Or the US military continuing to be ordered to do stupid things against its own, and everyone else's advice.

We're deep into the postcolonial playbook now, so I'm guessing the next time will see partitioning being given a try.

It's a horrible thought but one in which I can see a creeping NATO / US (or God help us AUKUS) presence. For stability, of course.

Oh, I far too rarely visit the HOI4 side of this AAR Land, and I cannot believe I'd missed this one for so long! I've barely breached Part 1, but I can't wait to be all caught up! Following!

Welcome, my dear @Eludio! Take a seat by the fire, and Lord Halifax's valet will be by shortly with the smoke, drink and newspaper of your choice.
 
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Ah, it returns. HoI4 AARs were going a little bit crazy without such calm influences...
 
travelled to present the Ambassador von Ribbentrop
Ugh. Another creature for this overflowing menagerie. Yuk.
von Ribbentrop was clearly enjoying the pomp and ceremony
He would, the vacuous toad.
Samuel Hoare (who had essentially refused Monckton’s entreaties for him to leave)
And so he should. Though he later seemed incapable of keeping the conversation even remotely prudent.
The subtle direction failed entirely.
As it would. I’m sure Ribbentrop didn’t even know the word for subtlety in German, nor understand the concept and certainly not be able to demonstrate it in an English context.
HMS Marlborough and HMS Iron Duke. Both will go ahead as drafted by the Director of Naval Construction.
von Ribbentrop, drinking in the confidential discussions between British ministers and their King
As he would. What on earth are they thinking? Well, I suppose they’re not.
“We also,” Channon ploughed on, tiredly, “think that with a brief hiatus in battleships we can squeeze out a sister ship to Ark Royal. The proposal is that the second of class will be called HMS Audacious.”
The HMS Injudicious, perhaps? Straight to open misere! The only call when you hold no aces and your hand is full of mediocre cards. Perhaps they could hand over some draft mobilisation and deployment plans for a 2nd BEF. Maybe some early Spitfire blueprints, too? :D
I toyed with HMS Blenheim as the name for the battleship
Already have a tactical bomber class named after that: can one share names across services?
Mosley and his British Union of Fascists never really again gained a foothold in British politics, or widespread popularity.
<sighs in relief>
while this could have been countered by charm and grace, Ribbentrop of course lacked either
Naturlich!

The truly horrid year of 1936 has only a little tortured breath left in it: enough time to resolve this awful mess, or will it drag into 1937, one wonders rhetorically?
 
The truly horrid year of 1936 has only a little tortured breath left in it: enough time to resolve this awful mess, or will it drag into 1937, one wonders rhetorically
Well, still have to recall Parliament, boot out the government, sign off on the new one...or not...and then get rid of the King. Or Wallis. Or both.

Probably not getting sorted by Christmas...no.
 
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Quite a cavalcade of horror... Ribbentrop the Nasty, Chamberlain the Contemptuous and Edward the Oblivious.

As an ironic note, Chamberlain's father once proposed an 'understanding' with Imperial Germany, which was spurned by the Kaiser's men. One wonders what Neville's opinion would be if he had been at this little meeting. to hear Britain again propose an 'understanding' with Germany and again be told they'd have to pay through the nose for it.

I persist in thinking that some patriot will simply shoot Crazy Eddie (there's a literary reference for you) and put the nation out of its misery... or can the royal family have him declared non compos mentos and shuffle him off to, oh, I don't know. Bermuda and the Bahamas are lovely - the Yukon isn't - the Andaman Islands are far enough away....
 
I persist in thinking that some patriot will simply shoot Crazy Eddie
I can't help but think that it would be a more interesting (that is to say, disastrous) story if instead someone shot Wallis. With no prospect of an unsuitable marriage the justification for getting rid of the king is gone, but there's too much enmity and hostility for people to just move on.
 
@InvisibleBison - Shoot Wallis? Ooooh! Oooh! Yeah! I volunteer! Unfortunately, shooting Wallis would turn Edward into a martyr. Think of it as a 1930s version of the Princess Diana story but centered on Edward. I'd say DLG and Churchill were capable of a staged assassination attempt to 'gin up sympathy but, sadly, Edward would never permit it.

I think - and this may be uncharitable - I think both the power-brokers and the people would be willing to have Crazy Eddie (See also: The Mote In God's Eye) as King without Wallis no matter what the Church and conservatives say - the same deal that Chamberlain just offered. Very few are willing to have Wallis, but some would accept her if Edward insists. Were Edward more skilled he would accept Chamberlain's offer and then use the whole power of the crown to wreck him... but Edward isn't smart or skilled, Wallis is entirely ignorant of what arrangements are feasible and Edward will do whatever Wallis wants...

And so the child is permitted to drive the car while the indulgent parent climbs into the back seat for a nap. Disaster is imminent, but - hey - the child isn't pitching a tantrum, so that's a good thing, right?

Edward needs a large stick of dynamite to use on Chamberlain and he both hasn't got one and, more tellingly, doesn't see the need. After all, he's always been allowed to do anything he likes and no one would dare tell the King no...



Crazy Eddie is a mythological creature in Motie folklore (the aliens from The Mote in God's Eye by Niven and Pournelle). He always does the right thing at the wrong time with horrific results. One example given is that of a large city that is so huge it can barely function - and Crazy Eddie leads the sanitation workers out on strike for better wages, precipitating a pandemic and collapse.
 
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Think of it as a 1930s version of the Princess Diana story but centered on Edward.
Except one was technically the Authority, and certainly not a man of the people, whilst the other died at the height of their popularity.
 
Perceptions can be shaped by good media engineering.
Is he really worth the bother? Compared with George and Elizabeth, who are going to be the next monarchs anyway no matter what happens?

If the tories are going to bother with cloak and dagger at all after this point, it will be to have both king and consort die in an accident. Then Bury them under Buckingham Palace's stairs. No one will ever think to look there.
 
Walter Monkcton doing valuable research work finding out just how far you can stretch professionalism and duty to the client before a lawyer snaps. My suspicion is "Infinitely, as long as the bills keep being paid" but Eddie is definitely stress testing the theory. The reception with von Ribbntrop, with that company, sounds hell, I doubt I could even manage to stay for one glass of champagne without saying something undiplomatic.

I continue to believe there is only one way this ends for Eddie (abdication) and we are just waiting to see how much damage he does on the way out of the door. In contrast the upcoming naval shenaningans around treaties and new build seem more interesting, as that is less of a foregone conclusion.

A second Ark Royal is a very interesting choice, the Third Sea Lord was absolutely dead set against a repeat Ark Royal (too vulnerable to aircraft, risky to operate in the Med / North Sea, etc) and the '36 programme actually authorised two carriers to be built (with another two at the very start of the '37 programme). Given an Ark is considerably cheaper than an armoured carrier (say 75% of the cost as all that armour plate is expensive) and only one is being built, and the savings from only two KGVs being ordered and not three, there is a great deal of 'spare' money sloshing about to be spent on something. I wonder where it ends up? Will it even stay in the Admiralty budget?
 
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Chapter 66, Downing Street, 6 November 1936

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The man was smartly dressed, but a certain lazy disinterest destroyed his aura; he looked small, uninspiring. He also looked fearful of what was about to happen, and stared, mournfully, disconsolately, like a cow for the abattoir, into the distance. Somewhere in the building a clock chimed that it was seven o’clock.

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A civil servant, looking irritated at still being at work so late, stalked past him with the merest of nods. He stared lugubriously back. He noticed that the usual round of Downing Street attendants was lacking.

“Your Excellency”, an aide finally called, his respect and courtesy also best described as ‘lacking’, “the Prime Minister will see you now.”

Victor Hope, 2nd Marquess of Linlithgow, rose awkwardly from his chair and trudged along behind the aide. He didn’t think to ask the man his name, seeing only a functionary. He wasn’t cruel, just engaged in his own concerns.

“His Excellency the Viceroy of India,” the aide announced. Linlithgow was not surprised to see that Churchill was sat beside Lloyd George. Churchill glowered at Linlithgow.

“Quite the display,” Lloyd George in attempt at levity, gestured at the Viceroy’s evening clothes.

“Winston, Prime Minister,” the Viceroy said bitterly, curtly, ignoring Lloyd George. Churchill looked furious.

“Well, man, why the flummery?” Lloyd George seemed fixated upon this, as if there was a clue from his formal dinner wear.

“I will, this evening, be invited to become a bencher, an honorary bencher, of Middle Temple. In thirty minutes,” he added dully. “And I’m going to resign.”

“Resign!” Churchill spat the word. “And so, this,” he jabbed at Linlithgow’s evening attire, “was what?”

“It was a ruse,” Lloyd George said cannily. “You needed a reason to come home.” The Prime Minister was so angry, a frustrated rage that was so thinly concealed that he could barely find the words. With Churchill still smouldering next to him an uncomfortable silence descended. Finally Lloyd George spoke, with forced calm. “Alright then, let us be clear. You are a failure,” Lloyd George said bluntly. “Your pronouncements and public comments on the conduct of His Majesty and his Government have been completely unprofessional and disloyal to the Crown,” he said in a rapid delivery. There was no Celtic charm this evening.

“I see,” Linlithgow said, rather primly.

“By siding with your friends Zetland and Halifax you’re serving one man, Neville Chamberlain, and by doing that you have created a breach between you and the Government that you represent and the King for whom you act,” Lloyd George said, again in a mildly offhand way.

“If this is all concluded, may I leave, then?” Linlithgow didn’t say this sarcastically, just directly and flatly.

“I would add,” Churchill said, his anger triggered anew by Linlithgow’s rather ‘bombproof’ attitude, “that your tenure thus far is hardly crowned with laurels.”

Linlithgow, who hated the opportunism of Lloyd George and the ‘diehard’ imperialism of Churchill, frowned. “I have tried, Winston,” he said sharply, with the first hint of emotion as he replied in mild rebuke to Churchill’s disrespect for the office, “to institute Whitehall’s desire for the Government of India Act to actually be in effect. I understood that ‘empower local self-government’ was British policy,” he said with an air of assumed innocent misunderstanding.

“Stop changing the subject!” Churchill was angry. “We were talking of your comments to the press, and to the princely states!”

“And you, Chancellor,” Linlithgow said acidly, “were criticising my performance after a mere six months in office. I have the right to defend my conduct in office.”

Churchill gave vent to his rage. “And you have the obligation, Sir, to be loyal to your King!”

Too much, or too little, had now passed. Lloyd George patted Winston’s arm gently. “That’ll do. Was there anything else?”

“Only that my comments will be carried verbatim in the The Times tomorrow with interviews in a range of newspapers. As it is my duty to provide notice of my spoken comments, you have notice.” Linlithgow stood and walked heavily out of the study.

“Turd,” Churchill snapped.

“Tool, more like,” Lloyd George said wearily. “I’ll telephone Beaverbrook, it’ll be too late for tomorrow but we can counter this nonsense in the editions after that.” Churchill grunted which Lloyd George accepted. “India?”

“Best that we impose direct control for a while,” Churchill said immediately.

“Uh huh,” Lloyd George said, never really interested in Indian affairs, “we need a new Viceroy, though.” He picked up the telephone. “Could you see if Lord Lothian is in London this evening and have him sent around urgently, please.” Lloyd George looked at Churchill. “Poor Lothian, he has this nonsense to deal with.”

“Ask one of the regional governors to step in,” Churchill suggested.

“Yes, yes,” Lloyd George agreed, “and we can always give the Viceroyalty to one of our supporters. The list of peerages we’re going to approve is bloody obscene.”

Churchill looked glum. “I’ll have a think, see which of the governors can step up.”

Lloyd George’s thin crust of a forced interest was finally pierced. “I actually asked you here to talk about Morrison. You’ve seen his letter?”

“Sly, most opportunistic, his decision, threatening to resign.”

“Oh no, Winston, he’ll go. We’ll lose most of the Labour lot. All of them if Dalton jumps.”

“Attlee won’t have them back,” Churchill said, but not confidently.

“He’s not as timid as you might…”

“A gerbil,” Churchill said dismissively.

A secretary knocked at the door and entered immediately. “Lord Lothian’s compliments, Sirs, and he is on his way.”

Lloyd George acknowledged the secretary with a wave. “Thank God,” he said with a sigh.

“We’ve given it our best,” Churchill said simply.

“I’m not done yet,” Lloyd George said with relish. “I am not handing over to Neville bloody Chamberlain. We need to get old Eddie out of that Palace and onto the streets.”

Churchill frowned. “But…”

“…the one thing that everyone has forgotten,” Lloyd George said conspiratorially, “is that the people get a say. And if the country sees the King being good at his bloody job, they might just vote in a government that supports him.”

“My dear David,” Churchill began, thinking of at least three elements of Lloyd George’s comments that would not stand scrutiny, but Lloyd George was already thinking far ahead.

“We send him somewhere redolent with grief, with suffering.”

“Where?”

Lloyd George picked up a newspaper, still mourning the recent clashes between the left and right. “Jarrow. Wearside.”

“Tyneside,” Churchill said immediately.

“Fine, fine,” Lloyd George swatted away Churchill’s interruption. “We send the King to Jarrow. Never mind pointless debates with Attlee and Neville. No. We get the King to Jarrow, mixing with his people. Ah, here he is.”

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“Well normally I’d be delighted to see you, I suppose you know that the rumour in my club is that Linlithgow is resigning.” Philip Kerr, 11th Marquess of Lothian and the Secretary of State for India had an amused smile. Lloyd George suspected, slightly enviously, that he was one of the few of the makeshift Cabinet that would survive, politically, this increasingly desperate drama.

“Aye,” Lloyd George said quietly, conceding that Chamberlain was playing this round well if the rumours were already out there. “I’ve got two questions for you. How do we manage governing India going forward, and who do we get as stand-in Viceroy?”

“Ah, well let’s deal with the Viceroy bit first, shall we boys?” The secretary returned with a glass of water for both Lothian and Lloyd George and a whisky for Churchill. Lloyd George, teetotal, frowned while Lothian, whose Christian Scientist beliefs encouraged abstinence, beamed. “Oh come on David, we’re hounded by the press and hated by half the public. And you’ve dragged me from a quiet night for one filled with intrigue and skullduggery. I’d say Winston has earned a tipple, a wee dram!” The ‘wee dram’ was said in a truly awful faux Scottish accent, for Lothian’s normal voice was not that dissimilar to Neville Chamberlain’s, thin and English. Lothian had known both Lloyd George and Churchill for years and sought to leaven the obvious tension.

“Continue, please, Philip,” Churchill said this calmly. He and Lothian had clashed as often as they had found common cause, and he simply wasn’t in the mood, on this night of all nights.

“My advice is that you get young Knatchbull to do it.”

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“Brabourne?” Churchill was sceptical. “He is, Philip, not a dramatic, inspiring figure!”

“Yes, Winston, precisely. If you give it to Anderson or one of the military they’ll want to meddle, have a stir of the pot, make lots of speeches. Gandhi will either end up as Prime Minister or prisoner,” Lothian said with a swashbuckling smile. “Young Brabourne is a safe pair of hands. And that’s what we need.”

“Alright then, that’s the Viceroy. How we appoint him?” Lloyd George frowned. “Do I need Parliament to do it?”

“Prerogative power,” Churchill said knowingly, a hint of disapproval in his voice.

Lothian nodded agreement. “It’s one of the easiest things that you can do, providing that you can get the Palace to sign up.”

Lloyd George smiled wearily. “The one thing that I can guarantee. What about running India?”

Lothian frowned. “The Government doesn’t agree on this.” He looked sharply, shrewdly, at both men, swirling his water around the cheap Downing Street tumbler (Lloyd George had, probably wisely, refused to bring his own glassware). “And, candidly, a government that includes yon Winston here,” he sketched a salute in the air with the tumbler, “and Amery, as well as Slippery Sam, will never agree.”

Both Lloyd George and Churchill nodded. “So…”

“…so,” Lothian said softly, mirroring Lloyd George. “The dramatic thing to do is in this moment of crisis is what, no doubt, yon Winston would have said. Tear down the house, leave a figurehead Viceroy, and impose rule from London.”

Churchill, annoyed at being so easily predicted, glowered while Lloyd George, smiling wryly, looked to Lothian. “Alright,” he said with a theatrical tweak of the moustache. “Permanently?”

“Goodness no. But Winston would no doubt say long enough to calm everyone down, given an opportunity to let everyone air their views.”

“You disagree,” Lloyd George read Lothian’s expression.

“Aye, I do,” Lothian said softly. “I do not see what appointing and then publicly ripping away his authority does for us.” He took the silence of the other two as permission to continue. “It’s a sly old thing to snatch reform away yet again.”

Churchill glowered while Lloyd George, who had never really cared for India, gestured for Lothian to continue.

“The report of the Simon Commission was a let-down, and even that was lost in the chaos of MacDonald and his little gang,” Lothian said, a hint of melancholy creeping in. “And then Edward and his round table…”

“A most seditious act,” Churchill said, glowering from his corner.

Lothian shot an exasperated look at Churchill before looking at the Prime Minister. “Three conferences, a white paper, a Parliamentary Select Committee…”

“…chaired by Linlithgow.”

“Aye,” Lothian said with a hint of piratical swagger.

“So?”

“So,” Lothian again mirrored his Prime Minister, “we appoint Brabourne as Viceroy. We then quietly slow down any reforms and changes that were planned. Cabinet,” he gestured at Winston, “will no doubt demand that anyway.”

“Some of them,” Lloyd George murmured.

“If you publicly rip up the GOA…”

“…GOA?”

“Government of India Act,” Lothian said with a hint of surprise.

“Yes yes,” Lloyd George said wearily. “Fine. What of it,” he said testily.

“So, there are expectations out there,” Lothian said. “Expectation which we, of course, will never have to worry about. But if we publicly rip it all down you’re throwing down the gauntlet to the Congress.”

“But we always will have the power…”

Lothian sighed. “If you look at the thing it looks as if all the powers are vested in the Governor General and the governors. But is not every power here vested in the King? Everything is done in the name of the King but does the King ever interfere? Once the power passes into the hands of the legislature, the Governor or the Governor General is never going to interfere.”

“Well,” Churchill said, slowly, “India is not London…”

“…so we delay everything quietly,” Lloyd George replied as he grappled with the problem, cutting across both of them. “Aye, it’s all we’ve got, at least. At least…”

“…at least,” Churchill said finally, exploding with contained rage, “until Neville and his cabal give us the most noble order of the boot. India,” he continued, “must be governed with a vision…”

“…one thing at a time, Winston,” Lloyd George said, a hint of patronising creeping in.

Churchill caught the undertone, and half stood, towering over the little Welshman and the languidly leaning Lothian. “Rule from Whitehall, yes. A new Viceroy, yes. But with a plan for…”

“…that’s enough,” Lloyd George snapped, “for a government fighting for oxygen to do. Keep India quiet for now,” he stood, trying to match Churchill for height. “And,” he jabbed, unconsciously emulating Churchill, “off our desks,” each word was fired like a bullet, and accompanied by a jab.

Churchill was angry, and tossed his tumbler into the fire. “Waste of good whisky,” he said finally, quietly. He left, noisily.

Lloyd George didn’t say much, but smiled secretively. An idea was forming, one that sought to pair the chaos of India with a desire to survive.

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GAME NOTES

I have made it a rule, an undertaking, to mention when, as HOI4 occasionally forces us to, I have cheated / tweaked the game (perhaps via a console command). I’m afraid that with India, utterly buggered up (in every way) India, there is quite a bit of said ‘tweaking’. Starting with the ‘normal’ HOI4 India experience; as you all know I hate, deplore, that India (or “British Raj”) is a semi-autonomous subject of the UK. This means a different Army (although some Indian Army generals appear in the UK OOB), the ability to make her own military equipments, the ability to choose what domestic infrastructure (small ‘i’, so I include all that civilian factories can make) to build. The contrast with other elements of the British Empire that lack this autonomy (Egypt is the obvious one, as was discussed ages ago) is striking. And it is stupid.

And then we have the event that really triggered the need for this update. In my view this TL’s India would be relatively benign (compared to the chaos elsewhere) as the King and the marriage crisis is a UK political squabble and one that wouldn’t automatically mean much for British India. It certainly didn’t in the OTL Abdication Crisis. For reasons left as an exercise for the player, India, in the no-Abdication decision tree, is treated as a Dominion and therefore declares full independence when the “Dominions Break with the Crown” event happens. For the traditional (i.e. actual) Dominions of Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa, this is simple enough (if a little odd, we’ll deal with this in a looming update) but for India it is dramatic as we suddenly see an Indian PM / President (it’s never made clear, I think) and a complete rupture with the UK. My reaction, when this first happened, was ‘colourful’ at best. So when the second game following the premise of Edward VIII holding out was played (the basis for this AAR) I immediately diplo annexed India using the console commands, and ruminated that it could be reflected in prose by the DLG team pausing any enacting of the Government of India Act, tied in with some form of rupture with Linlithgow. This is an imperfect solution and will have ramifications, in game and in AAR, which I will do my best to navigate with as much plausibility as I can.

India, both OTL and here, is already probably lost to the British if one’s view of British India is the Victorian Raj; I believe that a British Government willing to be repressive or, at the other end of the spectrum, incredibly far-sighted, might have held on (either to a police state or some form of Dominion), and in the conclusion of the other AAR suggested that the British (stronger than OTL thanks to Halifax’s deal with Germany) carved up India ruthlessly, with self-governing regions divided among ethnic / religious / baldly geographic lines but lacking even the partial unity that they had in the OTL 1947. The 1935 Government of India Act, the “GOA” referred to above, was a horribly controversial statute that tried in part to achieve this, although “federation” was one three big proposals. The sum of the GOA was that it was just too controversial; it produced some of the 1930s’ most colourful parliamentary exchanges and nearly did for Churchill’s career through the deep divisions it exposed within the Conservative Party. What was the problem? IMHO this mammoth piece of legislation (‘twas the largest Act of Parliament ever enacted at that time) tried, in my view, to do far, far too much. It is true that the Raj was looking rather tired by 1935, and a range of factors (contribution to WW1, rising Indian and sectarian nationalism, the sheer bloody cost of the thing, some cack-handed British reactions, a wider sense of British drift) meant that some form of reform was probably overdue by the 30s. Previous efforts, particularly those immediately after WW1, to do something, anything, to maintain the British grip didn’t work. By the early thirties you have a chain of abortive attempts to allay some of the varying Indian demands, particularly greater Indian representation in the legislature (but not really the executive). Of course, India being India, there is a third element to the weird dance between the British and their subjects, the princely states. The GOA tried to reconcile all three. And here the problems begin…

Previous conversations on the role of the Viceroy and Secretary of State fluctuated between abolition to reduced autonomy to rule by decree (essentially what the DLG government is going to do while it clings on to power). In the GOA the British Government, in the person of the Secretary of State for India through the Governor General of India (Viceroy) would continue to control India’s financial obligations, defence, foreign affairs and the British Indian Army and would make the key appointments to the Reserve Bank of India and Railway Board. No finance bill could be placed in the legislature without the consent of the Governor General. The Viceroy, under the supervision of the Secretary of State for India, was provided with overriding and certifying powers that could, theoretically, have allowed him to rule autocratically. Again, DLG will explore these going forward.

Viceroy aside the three main features of the Act were provisions for ‘Federation’, responsible government with safeguards, and separate representation of communal and other groups. Lovely. So what did that mean? The United Federation of Planets All Indian Federation was supposed to the binding bit, tying together the paternalistic British, the provinces and the princely states. There would be 11 provinces administered by a governor, another 6 by a chief commissioner, and then whomever among the princes could be arsed to join (it was their choice – they absolutely could refuse to join if they wanted to). Each constituent part would have a seat on the Federal Legislature. The Federation would not be effective until at least 50% of the legislature seats had been filled and states representing at least 50% of the population of India had formally acceded (joining the Federation was via an accession treaty overriding, for the princely states, all previous agreements). This of course never happened; the princely states hated it and then the situation in Europe dominated British attention. The establishment of the Federation was indefinitely postponed after the outbreak of the Second World War.

The composition of provincial legislatures was not straightforward; for one they varied from province to province. In all legislative assemblies all members were directly elected by the people, apart from those that weren’t (Madras and Bombay, to name two) where there was an assembly and a council; membership of these councils included some representatives nominated directly by the local Governor (British appointed). Seats in the local assemblies were divided with representation from separate constituencies of ‘General’ (basically those falling under another category, as well as the castes), Muslim, European, Anglo Indian, Indian Christian and Sikh communities.


Breathe, grab a glass, some nice young aide will be round with snacks shortly. All better? And we’re back…


The (British appointed) regional governors retained substantial authority to interact with legislatures, safeguard minority rights as well as the privileges of civil servants and British business interests, and to step in (under the assent and supervision of the Viceroy) and manage the administration of a province indefinitely under special provisions. His ministers were to be chosen from among the elected members of the provincial legislature and were collectively responsible to it. So, while it increased the power of the locally elected ministers, the governor was always hovering, waiting to take over.

Although the Act was intended to go some way towards meeting Indian demands, both the detail of the bill and the lack of Indian involvement in drafting its contents meant that the Act met with a lukewarm response at best in India, while still proving too radical for a significant element in Britain (Churchill and the “diehards” – don’t be mistaken, he’s seriously p***ed here). It’s a mess, and in OTL only parts of it (the legislative elections particularly) were starting to take shape by 1937. Here, with DLG in power, (sighs) it’s not going to be as rosy.

On the ‘India as Dominion’ point, this stems, I think, from a Paradox misunderstanding of the nature of the Viceroy; he certainly wielded more power than, say, the Governors General of the ‘white’ dominions and had a stronger relationship with his Secretary of State than the others had with the Dominions Secretary. Halifax, as Lord Irwin, suggested during his tenure as Viceroy (a job he never really warmed to) that full Dominion status was a (vaguely defined) logical outcome of constitutional reform. Beyond a few slow handclaps it made little material difference to the course of Indian affairs (although I accept the impact of the perception of this statement from the Crown’s senior official in India). The GOA was silent on Dominion status. Again, in KFM I suggested that a multitude of smaller states joined the Commonwealth as Dominions rather than large unified India.

Linlithgow, or, more properly, Victor Alexander John Hope, 2nd Marquess of Linlithgow, KG, KT, GCSI, GCIE, OBE, TD, PC, FRSE, was as dull, plodding and uninspiring as portrayed here. A literal and metaphorical ‘stiff neck’ (not entirely his fault as a war wound meant that his neck mobility was limited – no, I’m not joking) he invariably comes across as either “a big, doleful cow,” (a quote I have seen twice, both unattributed) or a unimaginative, surly, dour Scot who didn’t achieve much during his tenure as Viceroy. Would he have resigned as a result of King Edward’s dalliances? Accepting that I needed something in which to dress the game events (and my attempts to correct), I lean to a conclusion that he alone probably wouldn’t (while he was dour and Establishment, I’m not sure that he had it in him to actively do anything in protest), unless Whitehall drove him to it. That is why I have suggested that the DLG administration has pushed him into coming home (along with pressure from the Chamberlain cabal).

If Linlithgow is a rather dull character then Philip Henry Kerr, 11th Marquess of Lothian is anything but. A good two-thirds of the pictures of him show a cheeky, beaming, slightly naughty character and a lot of his remarks show a wonderful irreverence. I have gambled that, like Lloyd George, he would have refused a ‘wee dram’ (I’ve looked, at length, for evidence of his abstinence, but in the absence of evidence either way have gambled that he would have followed the Christian Scientist teachings); but his cheerful nature demonstrates that he doesn’t need it. He certainly had a colourful life, and is probably best known for being the British Ambassador to the United States at the start of the war, and for being something of a committed appeaser. He died, of course, in Washington in 1940 and was replaced by Lord Halifax.

Ah, it returns. HoI4 AARs were going a little bit crazy without such calm influences...

Oh God - I'm the AAR version of The Antiques Roadshow.

As it would. I’m sure Ribbentrop didn’t even know the word for subtlety in German, nor understand the concept and certainly not be able to demonstrate it in an English context.

I still find it truly bizarre that the best a vast country like Germany could provide as Ambassador is Ribbentwerp. It's not that he wasn't good, it's that he actively reduced relations. Remarkable.

Well, still have to recall Parliament, boot out the government, sign off on the new one...or not...and then get rid of the King. Or Wallis. Or both.

Probably not getting sorted by Christmas...no.

Agreed - this is going to roll over into '37. That is precisely want dear old DLG wants, it's a race against time between the Simpsons getting a divorce and Chamberlain getting into Downing Street.

Who needs the Abwehr at this point? Von Ribbentrop of all people just discovered what would normally take weeks if not months of intelligence work.

And all of this adds to Hitler's view of Ribbentrop.

Quite a cavalcade of horror... Ribbentrop the Nasty, Chamberlain the Contemptuous and Edward the Oblivious.

As an ironic note, Chamberlain's father once proposed an 'understanding' with Imperial Germany, which was spurned by the Kaiser's men. One wonders what Neville's opinion would be if he had been at this little meeting. to hear Britain again propose an 'understanding' with Germany and again be told they'd have to pay through the nose for it.

I persist in thinking that some patriot will simply shoot Crazy Eddie (there's a literary reference for you) and put the nation out of its misery... or can the royal family have him declared non compos mentos and shuffle him off to, oh, I don't know. Bermuda and the Bahamas are lovely - the Yukon isn't - the Andaman Islands are far enough away....

I'd love to have him shot (and toyed with the near miss in July '36 being successful) but usually feel that it's too easy a butterfly.

I can't help but think that it would be a more interesting (that is to say, disastrous) story if instead someone shot Wallis. With no prospect of an unsuitable marriage the justification for getting rid of the king is gone, but there's too much enmity and hostility for people to just move on.

Ooooh! Now that is an intriguing idea!

I think - and this may be uncharitable - I think both the power-brokers and the people would be willing to have Crazy Eddie (See also: The Mote In God's Eye) as King without Wallis no matter what the Church and conservatives say - the same deal that Chamberlain just offered. Very few are willing to have Wallis, but some would accept her if Edward insists. Were Edward more skilled he would accept Chamberlain's offer and then use the whole power of the crown to wreck him... but Edward isn't smart or skilled, Wallis is entirely ignorant of what arrangements are feasible and Edward will do whatever Wallis wants...

I agree that it's not entirely inconceivable that a cleverer King could have manipulated the situation to get what he wanted, it's a very tall order but possible. Sadly, of course, we have Edward VIII is erratic and petulant.

Except one was technically the Authority, and certainly not a man of the people, whilst the other died at the height of their popularity.

True.

Perceptions can be shaped by good media engineering.

Also true, and Beaverbrook deserves a lot of credit for keeping the Edward / DLG show on the road.

Is he really worth the bother? Compared with George and Elizabeth, who are going to be the next monarchs anyway no matter what happens?

If the tories are going to bother with cloak and dagger at all after this point, it will be to have both king and consort die in an accident. Then Bury them under Buckingham Palace's stairs. No one will ever think to look there.

And Princess Elizabeth. As we have already said, butterflying the reign of QE2 out of the way is nigh on impossible.

Walter Monkcton doing valuable research work finding out just how far you can stretch professionalism and duty to the client before a lawyer snaps. My suspicion is "Infinitely, as long as the bills keep being paid" but Eddie is definitely stress testing the theory. The reception with von Ribbntrop, with that company, sounds hell, I doubt I could even manage to stay for one glass of champagne without saying something undiplomatic.

So to this point, Monckton gamely served Edward VIII in the OTL crisis so I anticipate that he will continue a while longer, although his disgust with his master is palpable and there is an interesting side point on whether he is a lawyer providing professional advice to a client or an employee carrying out general duties. One confers an ethical responsibility, the other is more transactional.

I continue to believe there is only one way this ends for Eddie (abdication) and we are just waiting to see how much damage he does on the way out of the door. In contrast the upcoming naval shenaningans around treaties and new build seem more interesting, as that is less of a foregone conclusion.

A second Ark Royal is a very interesting choice, the Third Sea Lord was absolutely dead set against a repeat Ark Royal (too vulnerable to aircraft, risky to operate in the Med / North Sea, etc) and the '36 programme actually authorised two carriers to be built (with another two at the very start of the '37 programme). Given an Ark is considerably cheaper than an armoured carrier (say 75% of the cost as all that armour plate is expensive) and only one is being built, and the savings from only two KGVs being ordered and not three, there is a great deal of 'spare' money sloshing about to be spent on something. I wonder where it ends up? Will it even stay in the Admiralty budget?

So I'm grateful for the time taken on this. I agree that Admiral Henderson was reluctant, what we don't yet know is how far these plans have proceeded and, as you say, what the broader plans will be. The Navy, like everyone else, is in for an interesting time. Channon is a fool so this is Churchill's meddling - I think that he would spot the economy of the Ark Royal class and throw one into the Naval estimates. I do have an idea, and it is very Churchill.
 
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This is not looking good for the British Empire, the UK government, the general health of the Tory Party or the inevitable and eventual WW2 leadership.

HOI4 is weird about the british empire. With France, they made the fairly correct decision of having pretty much all of it as 'France', which is certainly how the French viewed it all, even if it wasn't quite like that in practice.

With the British though...directly controlling Egypt is presumably something to do with Suez and Mediterranean balancing...but otherwise the decisions made are so crazy. The British Raj is a Dominion (and thus one step away from independence in 1936). British Malaya and Malaysia next door on the other hand, is annexed and directly administered. And whilst the dominions can be built up by the british, industry and otherwise, you can't dump a load of produce and force/flood them with your military cast offs to make sure they are properly equipped/you get your money's worth out of the Empire.

Honestly, Eygpt should probably be in the dominion camp, or the one below it (not quite semi-autonomous vassal state), and the Raj should be broken up into the British controlled bits, the Indian Congress stomping grounds and...um...the actual Raj. Then you could also have some gameplay playing the latter two off each other for your benefit, eventually enslaving both again for the glory of the empire.

One of the interesting potentials of HOI4 India is that should it go independent following a failure to get them to join Imperial Federation, Viceroy Mountbatten is the Head of government and possibly the Head of state. Not sure why.

But this has led to the awkward scenario of Mountbatten led India defending itself from an invading British Commonwealth. Fortunately, the United States called up the Roman Empire to come save the day and kick the British out.
 
I understand the importance of India to Britain - also its remoteness from London, which makes it somewhat hard for politicians and public to take Indian problems seriously. But I will say that I think an Indian uprising would be Very Very Bad, and especially so since war is coming.

I see definite parallels here. Lloyd George tries his tricks and stratagems, hoping to hang on to power despite what his head tells him is coming. And Britain hangs on to power in India, unable to either crack down and rule it or to peaceably let it go. There is a lot of denial going on, and I am not talking about a river in Egypt.

So expecting Lloyd George to do anything constructive about India ia a pipe-dream. I confess I don't see how he plans to turn the Indian situation to his advantage in domestic politics, and frankly I'm glad I'm not in his position.

Send the King to Jarrow? Mayhap he will get himself shot. Still, getting the public to support the King is the only way Edward or Lloyd George survive.
 
expecting Lloyd George to do anything constructive about India ia a pipe-dream. I confess I don't see how he plans to turn the Indian situation to his advantage in domestic politics, and frankly I'm glad I'm not in his position.
Mm. Maybe the way Churchill survives this while ordeal is by being booted to India and seeing what he can do with the place.

If it works, he's a hero and must back the government up regarding India and the empire because he came up with some of it. DLG looks like a visionary trying to save England etx etc.

if it doesn't work, DLG has obvious scapegoat for everything that went wrong, can distract from home issues etc etx.

These aren't good ideas, but DLG hasn't been playing the potlcial game optimally for a long time now...
Send the King to Jarrow? Mayhap he will get himself shot. Still, getting the public to support the King is the only way Edward or Lloyd George survive.
Make the King really popular with voters, general election success riding off the back of that...and the establishment forces him out anyway. I don't think DLG has quite got this. The Church will not crown him, and will not accept the marriage. Parliament is at this point almost untied against him, personally, and everyone is pretty dead set against Wallis Simpson.

All I can see of this is a gigantic poltical scandal that will hurt the whole establishment right when it needs stability the most (in the run up to confronting Hitler), and the Tories in particular. Electoral success has tied them to this specific king. And he's going out, no matter what at this point.
 
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Mm. Maybe the way Churchill survives this while ordeal is by being booted to India and seeing what he can do with the place.
Would the next government keep him there, or barring his resignation could they replace him? Perhaps if he wasn't doing too well then Chamberlain would leave him to twist in the wind?