Surface detection - planes
Yes, looks like that's another one thing to correct in air units. Thanks for info.
Yes, looks like that's another one thing to correct in air units. Thanks for info.
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About the portuguese navy:
Scratch this question, I've found out the answer, it was NRP "Afonso de Albuquerque" and NRP "Dão".
I'm now off to post a suggestion for an event for Portugal.
Scratch this question, I've found out the answer, it was NRP "Afonso de Albuquerque" and NRP "Dão".
I'm now off to post a suggestion for an event for Portugal.
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OK, that will get into the production for Italy at the beginning of the game. How about the Roma? Was she laid down before the beginning of the game or not?
Veneto class was a treaty class battleship. I don't have anything right in front of me, but I seem to remember a 30 knot top speed, a standard displacement of 35000 tons (40000 tons normal displacement) and about 13" of belt armor. A North Carolina class battleship had a 28 knot top speed, a standard displacement of 35000 tons, and about 12.5" of belt armor. Trade the extra speed and a little more armor, for the heavier guns of the American ship and they look pretty equal. They also don't look greatly superior to the French Jean Bart class battleships which were built to match them. MDow
Roma and Impero, the 3rd and 4th in class were laid down in 1938.....and come to think of it, you are correct, they should be treaty BBs. Of course the Bismark-class really had nothing basically enhanced over the treaty battleships.....less guns (than Veneto or KGV or NC), no speed advantage, better armor scheme for sure and a better AA system than Veneto/Bart). Don't want to start a major war here......her one victory and some myths make her seem perhaps greater than she was?
Naval Construction
Are there any other naval construction issues out there? I now realize that the default HoI OOBs for navies left a little to be desired. All I corrected them for was type of vessel.
Corrections to date
German Z Plan
Italian BB Construction
Need Data
US CL Construction
Japanese Cruiser Construction
UK Cruiser Construction
Anyone Else? MDow
Are there any other naval construction issues out there? I now realize that the default HoI OOBs for navies left a little to be desired. All I corrected them for was type of vessel.
Corrections to date
German Z Plan
Italian BB Construction
Need Data
US CL Construction
Japanese Cruiser Construction
UK Cruiser Construction
Anyone Else? MDow
Portugal was rearming in 1936, could you check if it was building anything? And, come to think of it, what is a sloop? How does it compare to a corvette?
Need Data
US CL Construction
Japanese Cruiser Construction
UK Cruiser Construction
-->What do you want specifically for these? I have the data available. Drop me a PM with a list.
US CL Construction
Japanese Cruiser Construction
UK Cruiser Construction
-->What do you want specifically for these? I have the data available. Drop me a PM with a list.
Naval wise, just about everything the Portuguese had durring the war was launched by 1936. Only 1 class of Gunboat was produced domestically after 1936 (Azevia class Fishery protection vessels built 1941-42). And Portugal didn't begin buying foreign vessels until aqfter the war.
Thanks for the reply JRaup (and sorry I took so long to thank you 
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Anything about what a sloop is? I found a site that says the portuguese navy built or bought, in the early years of salazar's rule, 2 1st class "avisos" (these are the sloops, I gather), 5 destroyers, 3 submarines and 4 "avisos" (2nd class). It also describes the "aviso" as a small cruiser. Also found a site for the portuguese navy saying the "Vasco da Gama" class frigates are the first ships in the portuguese navy to operate aircraft since the "Afonso de Albuquerque" class sloops. Which means the sloops must be largish if they were capable of it. Especially as they had to retain the ability to actually fight other units in a time when gun batteries were THE armament for ships.
So, summing up:
1) I was way off on the corvette question.
2) If those "sloops" are light cruisers, shouldn't Portugal get 1 or 2 CL?
3) I saw a couple of pages back a destroyer and sub flotilla for Portugal, no need to mention those here (but I just did)
4) Those 4 "2nd class sloops" probably are the 4 escorts Portugal gets on convoy duty (or at least we can pretend they are...
BTW, I forget, where were you guys on the Carrier Air Group discussion? Abstract or actual unit?
)Anything about what a sloop is? I found a site that says the portuguese navy built or bought, in the early years of salazar's rule, 2 1st class "avisos" (these are the sloops, I gather), 5 destroyers, 3 submarines and 4 "avisos" (2nd class). It also describes the "aviso" as a small cruiser. Also found a site for the portuguese navy saying the "Vasco da Gama" class frigates are the first ships in the portuguese navy to operate aircraft since the "Afonso de Albuquerque" class sloops. Which means the sloops must be largish if they were capable of it. Especially as they had to retain the ability to actually fight other units in a time when gun batteries were THE armament for ships.
So, summing up:
1) I was way off on the corvette question.
2) If those "sloops" are light cruisers, shouldn't Portugal get 1 or 2 CL?
3) I saw a couple of pages back a destroyer and sub flotilla for Portugal, no need to mention those here (but I just did)
4) Those 4 "2nd class sloops" probably are the 4 escorts Portugal gets on convoy duty (or at least we can pretend they are...
BTW, I forget, where were you guys on the Carrier Air Group discussion? Abstract or actual unit?
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From Conway's 1922-1946
Albuquerque Class Sloops
Displacement: 1780t stabdard; 2440t full load
Dimensions: 99.6 x 13.49 x 3.81m
Armament: 4 x 120mm, 2 x 76mm, 4 x 40mm AA, 2 Depth Charge throwers
Complement: 189
Alfonso du Albuquerque, launched 28.5.1934
Bartolomeu Dias, launched 10.10.1934
"They were intended for colonial service and were equipped to operate as general-purpose vessels, being weel-armed and equipped for anti-submarine work. They were also designed to carry a seaplane on the forecastle deck just forward of the mainmast but this feature appears to have been discontinued not long after they completed."
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I'd say these would be closest to a destroyer, not a light cruiser. Destroyer-sized, small crew, no armor, and the seaplanes didn't last long.
Albuquerque Class Sloops
Displacement: 1780t stabdard; 2440t full load
Dimensions: 99.6 x 13.49 x 3.81m
Armament: 4 x 120mm, 2 x 76mm, 4 x 40mm AA, 2 Depth Charge throwers
Complement: 189
Alfonso du Albuquerque, launched 28.5.1934
Bartolomeu Dias, launched 10.10.1934
"They were intended for colonial service and were equipped to operate as general-purpose vessels, being weel-armed and equipped for anti-submarine work. They were also designed to carry a seaplane on the forecastle deck just forward of the mainmast but this feature appears to have been discontinued not long after they completed."
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I'd say these would be closest to a destroyer, not a light cruiser. Destroyer-sized, small crew, no armor, and the seaplanes didn't last long.
Damn, that was fast! Thanks!
OK, no CL for Portugal then... And two of those doesn't warrant a destroyer flotilla, either... But maybe the portuguese naval historian considered them a small CL because they were more powerful than the Douro class destroyers... (I don't know, just guessing, as I don't know much about the "Douro" either) That doesn't change anything, just trying tio figure it out.
Damn pitiful fleet Portugal had... Where were those built, does it say that? (In other words, does Portugal have the tech to build that kind of stuff in '36?)
OK, no CL for Portugal then... And two of those doesn't warrant a destroyer flotilla, either... But maybe the portuguese naval historian considered them a small CL because they were more powerful than the Douro class destroyers... (I don't know, just guessing, as I don't know much about the "Douro" either) That doesn't change anything, just trying tio figure it out.
Damn pitiful fleet Portugal had...
Where were those built, does it say that? (In other words, does Portugal have the tech to build that kind of stuff in '36?)
Originally posted by Gwalcmai
Damn pitiful fleet Portugal had...
Apparently, the order was originally placed with an Italian shipyard in 1931, cancelled, and then given to the British firm Hawthorn Leslie. It looks like there was some destroyer construction in Portugal, though - most of the Douro class destroyers were built in Lisbon, although they were a British design. One of the two classes of second-class sloops (which appear to be the equivalent of small-ish destroyers) was built in Lisbon, too.
Sloops
A sloop in the British tradition was a small warship designed for colonial (or overseas) patrol work during peacetime. The United States called this class of warships gunboats.
The closest class of warship to a sloop that is in the game is the protected cruiser. It is a little better that a 1500 ton destroyer in terms of stats, but it will get upgraded by cruiser techs rather than destroyer techs.
As for the Portugese sloops, based on the stats that were listed above, they do look more like 1500 ton destroyers of other navies rather than a true sloop or gunboat in the British and American traditions. Those warships had a standard displacement of around 4000 tons and usually had 127mm or 152mm (5" or 6") guns. The American Eire-class gunboats completed shortly before WW2 had 4 152mm guns and facilities for two aircraft. They were used for convoy escort duties almost exclusively during the war because they were too slow for fleet work. MDow
A sloop in the British tradition was a small warship designed for colonial (or overseas) patrol work during peacetime. The United States called this class of warships gunboats.
The closest class of warship to a sloop that is in the game is the protected cruiser. It is a little better that a 1500 ton destroyer in terms of stats, but it will get upgraded by cruiser techs rather than destroyer techs.
As for the Portugese sloops, based on the stats that were listed above, they do look more like 1500 ton destroyers of other navies rather than a true sloop or gunboat in the British and American traditions. Those warships had a standard displacement of around 4000 tons and usually had 127mm or 152mm (5" or 6") guns. The American Eire-class gunboats completed shortly before WW2 had 4 152mm guns and facilities for two aircraft. They were used for convoy escort duties almost exclusively during the war because they were too slow for fleet work. MDow
Portugese Naval Tech
I will look at updating the Portugese naval techs here in the next couple of night to take into account that building program. MDow
I will look at updating the Portugese naval techs here in the next couple of night to take into account that building program. MDow
And, of course, the funny part about me trying to get a CL in the portuguese navy is the fact that I'm writing an event in which you had a chance of losing it... Now I have to come up with another effect for that event...
Now I have to come up with another effect for that event...
New carriers
Do the new carriers on the naval tech. tree have different capacities or just different defense values? Sorry if this is addressed on the CORE homepage. The site is down at moment due to exceeding bandwith.
John
Do the new carriers on the naval tech. tree have different capacities or just different defense values? Sorry if this is addressed on the CORE homepage. The site is down at moment due to exceeding bandwith.
John
Various Answers
Yes, the carriers have different capacities based on the size of the carrier. It ranges from 1 for escort carriers and aviation cruisers to 4 on super carriers.
There is a bug in the Diesel Generator. I have found the problem and the solution.
Steel- Can you change the pre-requisite in Diesel Generator (Tech 6724) from 6112 to 6723.
OK, all fixed. If you want to correct your game that you are playing now, that is the fix.
I am starting to look at revising the submarine tech tree. That is something on the list for 0.7 since I have some events and other changes to finish before 0.6. If anyone is interested in helping, frop me a PM. My goal is to make it as detailed as the naval tree and make it more difficult for minor nations to build advanced submarines (hmm, sounds familiar). Unfortunately, I don't have the technical knowledge about submarines that I have about surface ships, so I would love working with someone who does have that knowledge so the tree has the right feel. MDow
Yes, the carriers have different capacities based on the size of the carrier. It ranges from 1 for escort carriers and aviation cruisers to 4 on super carriers.
There is a bug in the Diesel Generator. I have found the problem and the solution.
Steel- Can you change the pre-requisite in Diesel Generator (Tech 6724) from 6112 to 6723.
OK, all fixed. If you want to correct your game that you are playing now, that is the fix.
I am starting to look at revising the submarine tech tree. That is something on the list for 0.7 since I have some events and other changes to finish before 0.6. If anyone is interested in helping, frop me a PM. My goal is to make it as detailed as the naval tree and make it more difficult for minor nations to build advanced submarines (hmm, sounds familiar
). Unfortunately, I don't have the technical knowledge about submarines that I have about surface ships, so I would love working with someone who does have that knowledge so the tree has the right feel. MDow
Re: Re: Various Answers
They have different capacities in the unit files (as the vanilla HoI carriers do). Those capacities are not yet used by the engine. Only one aircraft "division" per carrier right now.