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Any Allied exp. force to Finland should probably be modelled in the same way as the Spanish Civil War (ie optional event choice leading to formation of additional divisions and an increase in supply stockpile). This is primarily because of the current limits on unit interaction.

Before doing that we need a new USSR.AI which actually garrisons the German and Japanese borders rather than send 80% of its army to Finland. IIRC historically the Russians used 43 divisions (not all at same time) and many brigade/regiment sized formations as well as specialised battallions (such as the 201st Flame Tank Battallion).

As far as Denmark is concerned, this should just be linked into a Weserubung event chain with the Altmark incident. Specifically a "Pressure on Denmark" choice leading to an historical choice of Denmark surrendering with a B choice of fighting for independence. If Denmark surrenders or is later annexed, then there should be an event for the UK opting to seize Iceland with marine landing forces (ie triggered on absence of German garrison) with a follow-on event a year later to hand Iceland over to the US.
 
Originally posted by Steel
Any Allied exp. force to Finland should probably be modelled in the same way as the Spanish Civil War (ie optional event choice leading to formation of additional divisions and an increase in supply stockpile). This is primarily because of the current limits on unit interaction.

Before doing that we need a new USSR.AI which actually garrisons the German and Japanese borders rather than send 80% of its army to Finland. IIRC historically the Russians used 43 divisions (not all at same time) and many brigade/regiment sized formations as well as specialised battallions (such as the 201st Flame Tank Battallion).

As far as Denmark is concerned, this should just be linked into a Weserubung event chain with the Altmark incident. Specifically a "Pressure on Denmark" choice leading to an historical choice of Denmark surrendering with a B choice of fighting for independence. If Denmark surrenders or is later annexed, then there should be an event for the UK opting to seize Iceland with marine landing forces (ie triggered on absence of German garrison) with a follow-on event a year later to hand Iceland over to the US.
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who will code all that?
is someone currently working on that?
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I'll do the Scandinavian events if you want... both these and the ones in the other Scandinavian thread (ore trade). I just *really* need to shake off this cold I've been suffering the last four days, can't think straight :(
 
Originally posted by Steel
I'll do the Scandinavian events if you want... both these and the ones in the other Scandinavian thread (ore trade). I just *really* need to shake off this cold I've been suffering the last four days, can't think straight :(
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ok.
i got some events from Axe99 that simulates that, maybe you can use that as a guideline, do you want them?
 
Some events:
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-The Altmark raid:
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trigger: war wich= UK vs. GER
NOR= not at war
POL=does not exist

For UK:
A> Here's the Navy! (UK gains MP, supplies, dissent loss; triggers events for NOR/GER)
B> No, it will hurt our relations with the Norwegians too severly

For Norway:
A> Protest formally (triggers German event 1)
B> Call for German aid (triggers German event 2)
C> We don't know anything about a raid in our waters... (triggers German event 3)


For Germany:
Event 1:
A>Warn the Norwegians!

Event 2:
A> Great! (Norway joins the Axis,Germany DOW's Denmark, Norway gives military access to the Germans)

Event 3:
A> This means war! (Germany DOW's Norway and Denmark; Norway joins the allies and gives access to them; triggers a "Scandinavian AI" for Germany, UK and France)
B> Back down (DI loss; dissent increase)


-The Norwegian Crisis:
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trigger= Altmark, Norway ,Option A
OR Altmark, Germany event 3, Option A/B
both have an offset of about 60 days
UK event:
A> Lay mines in Norwegian waters!(triggers event for Norway)

B> This will only provoke the Germans!

Norwegian event:
A>Protest formally!(Triggers German event 4)
B>Deny the allies the right to use Norwegian territorial waters (Triggers UK event)
C>Call for German aid (Triggers German event 2)

German event 4:
A> They will feel the consequences! (Germany loses lots of Iron Ore; War with Norway and Denmark; Norway joins the allies and gives access to France and the UK; triggers "Scandinavian.AI" for UK, Fra, Ger)
B> Back down! (loss of DI, dissent hit, great loss of Iron Ore)

UK event:
A>Back down (loss of DI, dissent hit)
B>Press the issue; even it means war with Norway (triggers German event 6)

German event 6:
A> Great! (Norway joins the Axis,Germany DOW's Denmark, Norway gives military access to the Germans; Germany loses a large amount of Iron Ore)



-Denmark's reaction upon German invasion:
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trigger= war wich= GER DEN
A> We can not stop them so we should surrender (Germany gets options what to do with Denmark---> See German thread; I will post this later on)
B> We will fight for our freedom!


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"Scandinavian" AI's???
for Germany this puts priorities on landing on certain places in Norway, fleet goes there as well, however they should still keep a large force on the Russian and French borders
for the Allies this makes them send small amounts of forces to help the Norwegians; also their fleet should now leave it's ports and defend Norwegian waters (against Poland they would need to stay in port a bit more as currently they just get into the Baltic and stay there; blocking all German ships from doing anything) However when Germany controls one Belgian/Luxembourgian/Dutch or French it should switch to the "Westeren AI")
 
Originally posted by Burris
And what of the inaccuracies of the German attack on Denmark? In all, Denmark was basically a German puppet..
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how about having an event where germany threatens to bomb kopenhåvn if they don´t give in and become a puppet state?

read something about this threatening but can´t really remember how the full story went. other than that please correct me on that incident...
 
I was thinking about having them as puppets but this might create problems for German AI (ie not basing aircraft there for support Norwegian invasion). Annexation might work better in this case.
 
then you´d only need to expand german national claims to kolding and aarhus for that purpose. the rest would become a puppet state and the ai could go on conquering norway.

maybe?
 
Have you guys read my proposals allready???

And this is what I had in mind for the Germans to choose between after the "Denmark Surrenders" event:

A>It would be beneficial to give the King some power (trigger Danish event 1)
B>They will get their independance after this war is over!(trigger Danish event 2)
C>It's all ours; once and for all!!! (trigger Danish event 3)

Danish event 1:
A> OK! (secede provinces wich= Kolding/Aarhus/Odense to GER; become a German puppet; give access to the Germans; join their alliance; triggers events wich simulate Icelandic independence and US capture of Greenland)

Danish event 2:
A>OK(secede provinces wich= Kolding/Aarhus/Odense/Kopenhagen to GER; rest to US/ Iceland; triggers an event for Germany after the war is over; 1% dissent hit)

Danish event 3:
A>OK (Denmark gets annexed by the Germans; US/ Iceland take over; 5% dissent hit)
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The main thing I worry about is that the Sund must remain closed; what provinces affect this????
 
Originally posted by SykoNurse
then you´d only need to expand german national claims to kolding and aarhus for that purpose. the rest would become a puppet state and the ai could go on conquering norway.

maybe?
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Good idea. It works out from an IC point of view (10 IC if all Denmark is annexed but non-core, 8 IC if Kolding and Aarhus are core provinces and Denmark keeps other provinces) but not from a manpower point of view (+9MP). If the population command works I can set the MP to 1 in each province as part of the event and make corresponding increases in Kobenhavn and Odense. I'll test it.

Emperor Dennis, I wrote the events and included some of your ideas. For now I'm not giving the UK any choice though, the Altmark incident will just happen (there is no benefit for the UK so they would always pick No rescue if given the choice).
 
Hmm, just came in to suggest an "Altmark / Minelaying" event, but I see Emperor Dennis have come up with some good events already. The big question is: Is it possible to get the german AI to perform an effective invasion of Norway?
 
Originally posted by emperor dennis
Have you guys read my proposals allready???

And this is what I had in mind for the Germans to choose between after the "Denmark Surrenders" event:

A>It would be beneficial to give the King some power (trigger Danish event 1)
B>They will get their independance after this war is over!(trigger Danish event 2)
C>It's all ours; once and for all!!! (trigger Danish event 3)

Danish event 1:
A> OK! (secede provinces wich= Kolding/Aarhus/Odense to GER; become a German puppet; give access to the Germans; join their alliance; triggers events wich simulate Icelandic independence and US capture of Greenland)

Danish event 2:
A>OK(secede provinces wich= Kolding/Aarhus/Odense/Kopenhagen to GER; rest to US/ Iceland; triggers an event for Germany after the war is over; 1% dissent hit)

Danish event 3:
A>OK (Denmark gets annexed by the Germans; US/ Iceland take over; 5% dissent hit)
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I think event 1 and 2 should swich places as event 2 is more historical.
 
There should be an event if the Danish Navy exists, where it is transferred to Sweden, like it really was.

And should sweden have demands on "Mariehamn" (The Island inbetween finland and Sweden)? Or was this issue settled already?
 
Originally posted by Burris
There should be an event if the Danish Navy exists, where it is transferred to Sweden, like it really was.

And should sweden have demands on "Mariehamn" (The Island inbetween finland and Sweden)? Or was this issue settled already?
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The League of Nations settled that disptue (one of its few successes - in the mid-20s I think) with the islands remaining under Finnish rule but with local self-government. But I'd think a fascist Sweden might try to claim them given the chance.
 
Originally posted by Burris
But wouldn't a fascist sweden be running on a platform of "The Scandinavian Brotherhood"?
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It wouldn't be unrealistic for the Swedes to demand the "return" of Mariehamn, if the Finns were not in the same alliance as the Swedes. The Finns are sort of semi-Scandinavian (sharing the same culture and religion), but at the same time they are a separate people. Its a bit like the Hungarians and the Austrians.

I guess the Swedes could make a deal to give Finland Soviet Karelia (or recognise the Finnish claims to Soviet Karelia) in exchange for Mariehamn. I doubt very much that Sweden would go to war against Finland for it. But if they were at war Sweden would probably want Mariehamn as compensation.

The Scandinavian Brotherhood would be a union of Swedes, Norweigans and Danes. The Finns and the Estonians could have a similar union.
 
Originally posted by Aetius
It wouldn't be unrealistic for the Swedes to demand the "return" of Mariehamn, if the Finns were not in the same alliance as the Swedes. The Finns are sort of semi-Scandinavian (sharing the same culture and religion), but at the same time they are a separate people. Its a bit like the Hungarians and the Austrians.

I guess the Swedes could make a deal to give Finland Soviet Karelia (or recognise the Finnish claims to Soviet Karelia) in exchange for Mariehamn. I doubt very much that Sweden would go to war against Finland for it. But if they were at war Sweden would probably want Mariehamn as compensation.

The Scandinavian Brotherhood would be a union of Swedes, Norweigans and Danes. The Finns and the Estonians could have a similar union.
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Actually I think, from a swedish point of view, Finland is as much a part of Scandinavia as Denmark and Norway. There are many swedish speaking people living in Finland and it was under swedish rule for god knows how long.

BTW, can't wait to try out this mod, it looks as if it will turn out very cool indeed :)
 
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