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Originally posted by Steel
Lunar, it's in another thread (the source of endless confusion :( ) here

There will be German-Sweden trade events, an Altmark Incident (Norway), maybe some Anti-Comintern Pact events (Generalisimo?) and I'm thinking about rolling a Swedish option into the Fall Weserubung event chain for Germany. So keep your eyes open for the 0.2 release :D and keep the ideas coming, the minors will not be forgotten in C.O.R.E.
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How about increasing infrastructure in Finnmark if Germany controlls it and Sweden accept to transport troops on their railroad. As to this day there are to few intencives for Germany to invade Norway, so a "Swedish steel" event should be created, but then again i have never seen Germany with a "steel problem", they can just get it elsewere.
 
I was just at a lecture last night about the danish nazi party before and during the war (a very good lecture btw.) Anyway it gave me an idea for an event (I might think of some more later). It seems that the danish population was generaly consurned when the soviets attacked Finland in the winterwar. Perhaps this could be shown with an event where the country moves 15 points towards both the allies and the axis.
 
There is already a Swedish Steel event; and I posted some suggestions on Altmark Incident and the Brittish lay mines in Norwegian waters as well. This would make sure the Germans would attack Norway.
 
Greenland

Does anybody have sources on the Hall-Heroult process for extracting metallic aluminum from bauxite? Cryolite mined in Greenland was apparently used for this and it was a critical element for American aircraft industry. Don't know if this could be represented as some rubber in-game but it probably wouldn't really matter much to the USA anyway... I'd welcome any ideas on how to implement ideas to reflect the importance of cryolite and Greenland.

Also, any opinions on the Hull-Kauffmann Agreement of April 9, 1941? This gave Americans the right to build airbases and "defensive facilities" in Greenland, enabling the re-basing of aircraft from USA to Scotland via Canada, Greenland and Iceland. An infra increase perhaps? Any other ideas?
 
Originally posted by emperor dennis
There is already a Swedish Steel event; and I posted some suggestions on Altmark Incident and the Brittish lay mines in Norwegian waters as well. This would make sure the Germans would attack Norway.
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Why would this make sure Norway got invaded? We had a friendly little arsehold called Quisling that greatly helped motivate Hitler to do it....:mad:
 
After much tweaking the way it stands now is that the UK has no option to avoid the Altmark incident. The first event is for Norway when the incident has already happened. The historical choice for Norway is to protest ineffectively, which is followed by a German event with a historical choice of starting to plan for the Norwegian invasion. Some months later, Fall Weserubung kicks in with pressure on Denmark, invasion of Norway and optionally an attack on Sweden.

I've chosen to ignore Quisling for now and let Germany do a standard invade-and-annex. Check out the Altmark/Weserubung events when 0.2 is released, then let me know if you think there should also be "Quisling visits Berlin" and "Germany installs Quisling regime" events.
 
UK involvement in Winter War

Im not sure if it was discussed already, but in 1940 there was a serious chance for conflict between Western Allies and USSR based on Soviet invasion on Finland.
How about to add this to CORE as an event? In case of prolonged war (3 months after the start of war) Allies would get 3 options:
a) Prepare to send them troops and supplies (flag, after 1 month game checks if Winter War is still on) - 2 random inf. divisions are deleted (for now) some resources and supplies are lost,
b) Limited involvement in war, some resources and supplies are lost,
c) Germany first!

FIN events (in case of b action):
- Western support for Finland (supplies and some inf and art techs),

If option "a" is chosen, then after 30 days game checks (first event), if Winter War is still on. If yes, then troops and supplies arrive to Finland (2 new inf. divisions, resources, techs) and SOV get the event to react (default option WAR, b option - ignore it, war limited to Finland, +5 dissent).
If Winter War ended during the offset period, then Allies get the event with their units and resources back.

If you find this scenario too dangerous (early war with USSR), then we could switch options in first event (Limited involvement as an "a" option).
 
The allies was only able to get involved if they were allowed to pass through Norway and Sweden.
But Churchill had an alterior motive to doing that, namely occupy the Swedish mines.
So unless Sweden and Norway are allied to the UK that event shouldn't be able to trigger.
 
Originally posted by peo
The allies was only able to get involved if they were allowed to pass through Norway and Sweden.
But Churchill had an alterior motive to doing that, namely occupy the Swedish mines.
So unless Sweden and Norway are allied to the UK that event shouldn't be able to trigger.
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Thanks for info, I wasn't aware of that... I'm not sure, but UK sent troops anyway (they were redirected to Norway when Germany started invasion), even without alliance with Sweden?
 
Originally posted by Copper Nicus
Thanks for info, I wasn't aware of that... I'm not sure, but UK sent troops anyway (they were redirected to Norway when Germany started invasion), even without alliance with Sweden?
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There were some voulonteers in Finland but not any significant amount and the ones that were there were kept back due to complete inability to fight in winter.
 
Originally posted by peo
There were some voulonteers in Finland but not any significant amount and the ones that were there were kept back due to complete inability to fight in winter.
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No, I talk about units prepared to send. In first quarter of 1940 polish moutain brigade (part of Polish Army at the West) was prepared to send to Finland (ewentually they fought in Narvik).
 
a) Prepare to send them troops and supplies (flag, after 1 month game checks if Winter War is still on) - 2 random inf. divisions are deleted (for now) some resources and supplies are lost,
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I think it's better to stay away from deleting units since this could have very awkward results for example if the UK is fighting Japan. Handling it as per the Spanish Civil War (deduct MP, supplies, add divisions) would be an ok solution IMHO.

There would need to be some events for USSR, Germany and Sweden if the UK and/or France intervenes in Finland. Certainly a USSR reaction to intervention and also perhaps a peace conference if the war is not finished 3-6 months after Allied intervention.
 
Originally posted by Steel
I think it's better to stay away from deleting units since this could have very awkward results for example if the UK is fighting Japan. Handling it as per the Spanish Civil War (deduct MP, supplies, add divisions) would be an ok solution IMHO.
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Right, but they should loose something for those units in Finland (if we won't give these units that way, Finland won't get any troops - AI won't send them). Maybe small loss of manpower and supplies? Hmm...

Originally posted by Steel
There would need to be some events for USSR, Germany and Sweden if the UK and/or France intervenes in Finland. Certainly a USSR reaction to intervention and also perhaps a peace conference if the war is not finished 3-6 months after Allied intervention.
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Probably... As far as I know, Allied forces fighting in Norway were initially prepared for Finland. Main question is if only end of Winter War made them go to Norway, or they wouldn't go there anyway (because of Swedish protest, for example).
 
I've chosen to ignore Quisling for now and let Germany do a standard invade-and-annex. Check out the Altmark/Weserubung events when 0.2 is released, then let me know if you think there should also be "Quisling visits Berlin" and "Germany installs Quisling regime" events.
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How about: When german sinvade Oslo, Quisling seizes power (the government flees). Then Quisling orders norwegian soldiers to lay down their weapons. Norway then gets the choise of surrender or fight to the last man. If latter, germany has their conquer-and-annex. If Norway give up, the germans can have a choise of letting Quisling have a puppet government or just "inherit" Norway. When one of these happens, germany gets a message that the norwegian royal family flees to UK (if it exists. If not, to Canada or USA)

How about that?
 
Liberation event

I was just thinking that maybe there could be an event incase USSR annexes Finland that Germany could liberate Finland just as it can liberate Ukrania.
 
Mini-poll

There's a problem with the German-Swedish trade events terminating too often. As a player would you rather...

... be able to make a choice and immediately terminate the trade (perfect player control over resource flow)

- or -

... negotiate one year in advance (realistic as the event really represents one year of deliveries) to stop the trade, thus getting a final delivery as you cancel the trade but also sending away a final amount

I had originally included both options, one has to go. What's your opinion, player control or realism?
 
I think I'd opt for realism (if it doesn't make you lose too much control ofcourse). :)
 
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