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Originally posted by ElQuapo
Actually I think, from a swedish point of view, Finland is as much a part of Scandinavia as Denmark and Norway. There are many swedish speaking people living in Finland and it was under swedish rule for god knows how long.
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Sure but from an ideological point of view (i.e. like the Nazis) I doubt they would be considered as a part of the same "race". Obviously there are historical connections to Finland, but AFAIK the student driven "pan-scandinavian" movement during the 19th century was limited to Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
What a Nazi Sweden would have done is pretty much speculative...
 
Originally posted by Aetius
Sure but from an ideological point of view (i.e. like the Nazis) I doubt they would be considered as a part of the same "race". Obviously there are historical connections to Finland, but AFAIK the student driven "pan-scandinavian" movement during the 19th century was limited to Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
What a Nazi Sweden would have done is pretty much speculative...
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OK, but if you are doing it that way I would then suggest that Sweden also gets claim on the finnish mainland provinces that have "swedes" living in them. Can't remember which off the top of my head but I believe it would be some of the westcoast provinces.
 
well, i have been working on new things and i have a question for you scandinavians.... :D
if Finland is fighting against the Soviet Union and Germany declares war against the Soviet Union... then, Finland joins the Axis; can i make Finland sign the "Tripartite Pact"?, so if the axis wins, they get Karelia from the Soviet Union.
this are the provinces that i thought they should receive when peace is signed:
804 - Petrozavodsk
807 - Belomorsk
811 - Kandalaksja
805 - Segezja
the idea is that they will ONLY receive those provinces if they signed the Tripartite Pact. :D
any thoughts?
thanks.

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Hitler wanted to give them: Murmansk,Kirovsk, Kandalaskaja, Belomorsk, Segezja, Petrozavodsk. He even once said Leningrad should go to the Finns if they'd help him capture it.
 
Originally posted by emperor dennis
Hitler wanted to give them: Murmansk,Kirovsk, Kandalaskaja, Belomorsk, Segezja, Petrozavodsk. He even once said Leningrad should go to the Finns if they'd help him capture it.
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are you sure?? Leningrad?? i don't think so...
i am in doubt about Murmansk, i could never find good info about that city... :(
 
Well, it was all on these maps I have here, I scanned it allready but it's too large to mail it; i'll send it too you trough msn, ok?
 
Originally posted by ElQuapo
OK, but if you are doing it that way I would then suggest that Sweden also gets claim on the finnish mainland provinces that have "swedes" living in them. Can't remember which off the top of my head but I believe it would be some of the westcoast provinces.
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Vasa/Vaasa, Abo/Turku, I doubt that Finland would give them up. Or Sweden would claim them. There were a lot of Finns living in Sweden as well.
 
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Originally posted by Aetius
Vasa/Vaasa, Abo/Turku, I doubt that Finland would give them up. Or Sweden would claim them. There were a lot of Finns living in Sweden as well.
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Yes, you're right, they would never have been given away. But I'd guess that many Finns want to get rid of Ahvenanmaa (Åland) nowadays ! :p But probably not in the 40's...
 
It's about 1.5 Megabyte per map (have about 3 maps) and it's a .bmp type file
 
I'll do that; what is the smallest type I can have? Jpg or Gif???
 
Originally posted by emperor dennis
I'll do that; what is the smallest type I can have? Jpg or Gif???
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with .gif, reducing the color (loosing some) you wil have a smallest one, but with .jpg file you will have little bigger file but with better colors.
I usually use .jpg (at 80% quality if the program let you choose that).
I usually lost many colors in .gif (but i need them if i want to make an animation)
well, i am talking too much, just make it a .jpg :p :D :D
 
Originally posted by Aetius
Vasa/Vaasa, Abo/Turku, I doubt that Finland would give them up. Or Sweden would claim them. There were a lot of Finns living in Sweden as well.
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Yes, but as you said before if Sweden went Fascist there is no telling what they would have done. I am not talking about just joining the axis but if their government itself was couped and became Fascist they might wan't to free the swedes in Finland like Germany and the Sudetenland. What I would suggest is that if they just join the axis but stay democratic they should be able to demand Åland (the island), but if their government changes to Fascist they should also be able to demand the provinces you just named.
 
Originally posted by Burris
There should be an event if the Danish Navy exists, where it is transferred to Sweden, like it really was.

And should sweden have demands on "Mariehamn" (The Island inbetween finland and Sweden)? Or was this issue settled already?
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Sweden didn't get any boats from Denmark.
Germany took the armoured ships and used them for training mainly. Sweden built all our ships ourselves exept for 4 old destroyers which we traded with Italy for, got planes and engines in the deal to.

As for Åland and the Swedish posibility of claims.
Finland was a part of Sweden for more than 600 years, most of the finnish socitity is modeled upon the Swedish system and there are a lot of finnish swedes.
The Åland conflict was solved in the 20's, it was one of the few things the league of nations managed to solve, mainly due to that Sweden realy didn't care that much.
As for the rest of Finland the areas which were Swedish speaking in the 40's iirc was most of the coast from Helsinki to Karleby or something like that. However the area wasn't very deep.
If Sweden should have claims it should only be if Sweden is fascist or nazi and then it should be on the whole of Finland and also on Norway. This only to represent some views that Sweden should become a great power again.
But while Sweden is democratic there should be no claims on someone else.

Oh and just one point about the Swedish A-bomb. We didn't need any help from the bohr institute to build one. We were 2 months away from starting the construction on one when the politicians decided that we should have no defence.
 
I must've read wrong.. but I thought I read that parts of the Danish navy refused to surrender their ships and scuttled them to the Swedes..

While reading it over, i've noticed it said "Danish sailors were prepared to sail to Sweden, or scuttle their ships"

So maybe an option for the Danes?
 
1941, June 25

In response to a demand from Germany and Finland the Swedish government allowed the passage of one division of German troops from Norway to Finland.

-Perhaps a temporary military access for say..two months can be given to Germany from Sweden if this passes? Sweden can choose to allow full and neverending access [Major dissent hit, move alignment towards axis], temporary access [medium dissent hit], or no access [Germany can issue an ultimatum or back down].
 
The Transit Agreement was discussed earlier, it doesn't fit very well within the Military Access rules of HOI (ie Germany could base bombers in Sweden etc). The relevancy of the event for the game is also pretty limited.
 
Lunar, it's in another thread (the source of endless confusion :( ) here

There will be German-Sweden trade events, an Altmark Incident (Norway), maybe some Anti-Comintern Pact events (Generalisimo?) and I'm thinking about rolling a Swedish option into the Fall Weserubung event chain for Germany. So keep your eyes open for the 0.2 release :D and keep the ideas coming, the minors will not be forgotten in C.O.R.E.
 
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