Panay Incident
Phil K:
OK. I copied over your initial script and will start laying it out.
Phil K:
OK. I copied over your initial script and will start laying it out.
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Nomohan is finished by my view; I will now pick up NatChi (working up from the bottom). This will be with the newest files. From the wiki?
-PK
-PK
Phil,
I added your new changes to my nomonhan file. If you want me to email it to you so you can continue working on it for TCTmod 0.04, I will.
I would only make one suggestion, that would be to put the option text in a neutral or first person plural case. I think this reads better to the player, as they are aware (most of the time) of what country they are playing. I think that using direct commands (neutral) or the word 'We' (fpp) tends to personalize the choice better than using the third person. The player should be getting the feeling that he/she is the Head Commander making *Important* decisions for the country, when reading the option text...
JJ
I added your new changes to my nomonhan file. If you want me to email it to you so you can continue working on it for TCTmod 0.04, I will.
I would only make one suggestion, that would be to put the option text in a neutral or first person plural case. I think this reads better to the player, as they are aware (most of the time) of what country they are playing. I think that using direct commands (neutral) or the word 'We' (fpp) tends to personalize the choice better than using the third person. The player should be getting the feeling that he/she is the Head Commander making *Important* decisions for the country, when reading the option text...
JJ
Hey dude!
Does that mean the nomonhan I have is finished, or did you make further corrections past the last ones you posted here?
To answer your pm question, and the above one, you'll have to install the 0.6sc2 from the wiki... it will require you to remove 0.5, so backup your edited event files somewhere else first. D/nload and uninstall/install... you will notice that some of the event files are gone... that is because they have been integrated by Steel into the specific country files... e.g. Nomonhan.txt events have been split up into core_japan, core_nchina, etc... so to integrate your changes, you will have to do some cutting and pasting to move the text from your edited TCTmod 0.04 event files to wherever the event now resides in C.O.R.E. 0.6sc2. Are you ok with doing some of that?
JesseJames
I am fine with whatever.
How about this - since there is no Nomohan now there's no need to copy/paste my adjustments into the relevant country event files. As each file is checked we'll just alter whatever 'Nomohan' events may be in each file, be it SOV, JAP, or whatever.
That means we don't have to worry about incorporating my comments into the files and altering the option format in regards to PoV. I am all for continuity, even if I'd do things differently myself if it were my choice.
Now I am about done NChina. What do I do with the file?
Also, I guess you can go back to the first post in this thread and axe the files that no longer exist in v0.6
COMMENT: when it comes to events where there is no player choice persay, just action 'A', I have just been ditching the comments of 'OK' and 'Great!' and leaving it blank. Hope that's not a problem.
How about this - since there is no Nomohan now there's no need to copy/paste my adjustments into the relevant country event files. As each file is checked we'll just alter whatever 'Nomohan' events may be in each file, be it SOV, JAP, or whatever.
That means we don't have to worry about incorporating my comments into the files and altering the option format in regards to PoV. I am all for continuity, even if I'd do things differently myself if it were my choice.
Now I am about done NChina. What do I do with the file?
Also, I guess you can go back to the first post in this thread and axe the files that no longer exist in v0.6
COMMENT: when it comes to events where there is no player choice persay, just action 'A', I have just been ditching the comments of 'OK' and 'Great!' and leaving it blank. Hope that's not a problem.
If I get a vote, I vote otherwise. I think it adds flavour to have something, anything, showing there, and I think we can have fun if we don't go bat droppings with it. A fictitious example:
Yagoda is a pagoda!
Not satisfied with the complete ruination of his entire officer corps even as war began to loom, Stalin looked about for other scapegoats for the general malaise of his socialist model. He fixated on Yagoda, his Minister of Middle Management, and accused him of being a Japanese building--obviously a spy. Unsurprisingly, Stalin didn't get any flak about it from anyone; no one was that great a fool...
(One could say...)
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| Oh, brother |
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or:
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| What's next? 'Molotov is a sauna?' |
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Just a thought.
jkk
Originally posted by Phil K
Yeah, I still think about all those times playing 3R as a kid, wanting all the diplomatic options that exist in HoI and WiF and other games and making my own rules, including a post-WW2 showdown between the Allies and Soviets. Somehow I don't think I'm the only one who did or wanted that?!
Did you ever play NATO?
Many of us wanted that final showdown. We finally got the option in the twilight of boardgaming with WWII:ETO and PTO, IIRC, though the combination of them was necessarily clunky.
If you mean the Victory Games NATO, yeah, I played it hardcore. What I really liked was GDW's, but their stuff was always excellent. I've already determined that we have some old Europa grogs here, but their four-game combo of Third World War was a pure delight, unlike SPI's near-unplayable The Next War.
jkk
Yeah, I think I'll take you up on that no-option comment thing. It was only the NChina file anyway (some guy named Steel screwing things up 
) I'm gonna go back and add funny racist remarks in there. Things like:
* Ancient Chinese secret, Joe! *wink, wink*
* Column A or Column B?
* What happened to the dog? He was here a minute ago...
Just kidding.
In Other News from the Rear
Who in the HELL wrote the Partisan event file??
One look at that file and it makes me realize what a screwup it was for Paradox not to make looping events a possibility.
I have gotten about halfway through the file, but am bordering on going insane walking around and saying, "Let's hear the bad news!" - no, "Let's teach them a lesson!". And my cat just looks at me all odd-like.
It could take one hour to check that file. And that's just for removing the exclamation mark at the end of every action that is there. You realize that file is almost twice as big as the next biggest event file? Admittedly, though, it's all the same two events for the most part.
I noticed some of the event triggers weren't keyed correctly and I am not up to proofing it and doing the debugging of trigger IDs in the same evening.
Anyhow, cue the vinyl, gents:
The Text Police
they live inside of my head
the Text Police
their eyes are turning all red
the Text Police
they're coming to correct me
Oh no....
EDIT: Ironically, I had to edit that little ditty because I wrote "there eyes are turning all red".
Another beer, maestro! I've lost it!!
) I'm gonna go back and add funny racist remarks in there. Things like:* Ancient Chinese secret, Joe! *wink, wink*
* Column A or Column B?
* What happened to the dog? He was here a minute ago...
Just kidding.
In Other News from the Rear
Who in the HELL wrote the Partisan event file??
One look at that file and it makes me realize what a screwup it was for Paradox not to make looping events a possibility.
I have gotten about halfway through the file, but am bordering on going insane walking around and saying, "Let's hear the bad news!" - no, "Let's teach them a lesson!". And my cat just looks at me all odd-like.
It could take one hour to check that file. And that's just for removing the exclamation mark at the end of every action that is there. You realize that file is almost twice as big as the next biggest event file? Admittedly, though, it's all the same two events for the most part.
I noticed some of the event triggers weren't keyed correctly and I am not up to proofing it and doing the debugging of trigger IDs in the same evening.
Anyhow, cue the vinyl, gents:
The Text Police
they live inside of my head
the Text Police
their eyes are turning all red
the Text Police
they're coming to correct me
Oh no....
EDIT: Ironically, I had to edit that little ditty because I wrote "there eyes are turning all red".
Another beer, maestro! I've lost it!!
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Hahah, lmao... actually, I think it is still worthwhile to add *something* into the no option events, anything is better than "Great!", "No!", or "OK!" Make it up, make it funny if you like... but please put something in there.
I think you can have repeating events, but those ones apparently have different text... hence... different events. Their writers *could have made it generic... but that would have saved the TCT a lot of time and effort, now we can't have that, now can we?
Now you know how I feel, when I did every single event in 0.5 myself... hours upon hours upon hours... it got so addicting, I wasn't even playing HoI anymore, I'd rather correct text errors...
I think we can leave fixing those until TCTmod ver.0.05...
Don't worry, we've only got 2.52 megabytes of text to go...
No, seriously, thanks for all your help Phil and Jkkelley!
JesseJames
Integration of 0.5 events to 0.6
Phil, Jk, just for your information:
The first post in this thread will be updated to include three lists:
1. C.O.R.E. 0.5 event files from jjevents version3 to be integrated (just cut & paste the title,desc., and option texts) into wherever they belong in the 0.6 files. *Integrating this list should be our primary focus* Please don't just edit the 0.6 files, as I already did many hours of work on the 0.5 ones... no need to re-invent the wheel, but you're welcome to correct my spelling mistakes and typos
2. C.O.R.E. 0.6 event files - these also contain quite a few NEW events that I never had a chance to edit at all... but I think for us to make the 0.6 release, we should first try and move all of the work done on the 0.5 files... changes to the new events can be released in a hotfix...
3. New event files requiring editing, debugging, and approval by Steel.
Let me know here what file you are integrating, I'll mark it on the list... When you are done, email me a copy of the finished file in 0.6 format. I'll collect them to send to Steel before 0.6 general release.
JJ
Phil, Jk, just for your information:
The first post in this thread will be updated to include three lists:
1. C.O.R.E. 0.5 event files from jjevents version3 to be integrated (just cut & paste the title,desc., and option texts) into wherever they belong in the 0.6 files. *Integrating this list should be our primary focus* Please don't just edit the 0.6 files, as I already did many hours of work on the 0.5 ones... no need to re-invent the wheel, but you're welcome to correct my spelling mistakes and typos
2. C.O.R.E. 0.6 event files - these also contain quite a few NEW events that I never had a chance to edit at all... but I think for us to make the 0.6 release, we should first try and move all of the work done on the 0.5 files... changes to the new events can be released in a hotfix...
3. New event files requiring editing, debugging, and approval by Steel.
Let me know here what file you are integrating, I'll mark it on the list... When you are done, email me a copy of the finished file in 0.6 format. I'll collect them to send to Steel before 0.6 general release.
JJ
Steel, Generalisimo, Copper Nicus:
Event 852003: Holland
Reversed the option texts and effects, AI should choose to align politically with France 85% of the time instead of with Germany.
Event 852005: Belgium
Reversed the option texts and effects, AI should choose to secure the Belgian border especially if Netherlands has already elected to do so.
Event 852006: Belgium
Same as 852003 above.
JJ
Event 852003: Holland
Reversed the option texts and effects, AI should choose to align politically with France 85% of the time instead of with Germany.
Event 852005: Belgium
Reversed the option texts and effects, AI should choose to secure the Belgian border especially if Netherlands has already elected to do so.
Event 852006: Belgium
Same as 852003 above.
JJ
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Don't
I hope you haven't put too much effort into it already, but basically the Nomonhan Incident no longer exists as you know it. It was the first event chain I wrote and while it did appear to be quite popular it was overdue for a re-write.
S'aright. What I did in this thread basically turned out to be an exercise anyways. No big deal.
JJ, I got your PM and understand now what we have to do. Quite a little ordeal, eh? Basically, we have to take 0.5 file info and find the relevant 0.6 file to include it in?
I'll have to give this a further look later after work.
-PK
JJ, I got your PM and understand now what we have to do. Quite a little ordeal, eh? Basically, we have to take 0.5 file info and find the relevant 0.6 file to include it in?
I'll have to give this a further look later after work.
-PK
Work only on the v0.6 files please
Each option must have a name = "whatever", leaving it blank can cause the event to not display in game.
Each option must have a name = "whatever", leaving it blank can cause the event to not display in game.
Steel,
Will do. I have to think up some good responses for those.
Got your PM on the nation reference thing in the event title. I understand the reason and once we are comfortable with the event integration it's an easy thing to go back and eliminate, as you mentioned. It is something - when the time is right - that I'd like to do for continuity and text flow.
I am working only on v0.6 files then.
ATTN: I am halfway through 'Partisan'. Don't anybody waste your time on it. Steel, I'll have to forward that one to you as there are a few trigger events that I can see are pointed incorrectly, but it's not my place to alter it. I'll get that over to you later today after I finish proofing.
-PK
Will do. I have to think up some good responses for those.
Got your PM on the nation reference thing in the event title. I understand the reason and once we are comfortable with the event integration it's an easy thing to go back and eliminate, as you mentioned. It is something - when the time is right - that I'd like to do for continuity and text flow.
I am working only on v0.6 files then.
ATTN: I am halfway through 'Partisan'. Don't anybody waste your time on it. Steel, I'll have to forward that one to you as there are a few trigger events that I can see are pointed incorrectly, but it's not my place to alter it. I'll get that over to you later today after I finish proofing.
-PK
the idea is that Holland & Belgium react AGAINST France if France decides to defend ONLY itself by enlarging the Maginot Line to the Belgium frontier...
So, if France decides to extend the maginot line, both countries (HOL & BEL) should start thinkng their relation with Germany to counteract the decision of France.
So, you do not need to reverse the options.
See?, this is what i was talking about the other day... this is why it is good to discuss the changes before implementing them...
Gen:
I still highly doubt (even if France extended the Maginot line) that Belgium and the Netherlands would have gone gracefully into the clutches of the Nazis. I think there may have been some amount of support for this, and a small chance (let's say, 15%) that these two countries would reverse their political agendas in reaction to the French action, but I doubt the outcome would be Fascist repolarization of the entire political leadership.
See?, this is why it is good to discuss changes before implementing them. Now that we have both presented our arguments, others who read this post can say whether or not the changes. The decision should not lie solely in my hands, but it should not lie solely in yours, either. I believe these things should be open to debate.
JesseJames
I still highly doubt (even if France extended the Maginot line) that Belgium and the Netherlands would have gone gracefully into the clutches of the Nazis. I think there may have been some amount of support for this, and a small chance (let's say, 15%) that these two countries would reverse their political agendas in reaction to the French action, but I doubt the outcome would be Fascist repolarization of the entire political leadership.
See?, this is why it is good to discuss changes before implementing them. Now that we have both presented our arguments, others who read this post can say whether or not the changes. The decision should not lie solely in my hands, but it should not lie solely in yours, either. I believe these things should be open to debate.
JesseJames
It is not that they become "best Hitler friends", they start looking France in another way, the only way to simulate that is to add more points to their fascist corner, that doesn't mean that they will join the axis...
The event is there to represent the political crisis that would had happened if France decided that they should protect only their country instead of protecting the rest too.
This NEVER happened in history, France never finished the maginot line, they moved their forces into Belgium and Belgium knew that...
Ok, I agree with you , but is 50 points towards Fascism too much? I'm not even sure how many it takes to shift across the scale...
JJ
, but is 50 points towards Fascism too much? I'm not even sure how many it takes to shift across the scale...JJ