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Byakhiam said:
Well, seems that with our schedules only sunday morning is good for all. Unfortunately we have Sunday Game there, but then again, we have ruined most of Europe already in that and everyone (except Arcorelli) of that game's players are participating in this game. Also both would be king games.

So, there could be reasoning to either put Sunday Game on hold or end it.

Well, I don't mind switching. It gets kind of boring watching you all tremble in fear of the Germanic-Hungarian alliance, anyways. ;) Before we actually consider this as a possibility, though, Arco should be brought into the discussion. I'm sure he wouldn't mind starting out on an equal footing, but we should ask him before we give serious consideration to chucking that game out the window.
 
Patrucio said:
Well, I don't mind switching. It gets kind of boring watching you all tremble in fear of the Germanic-Hungarian alliance, anyways. ;) Before we actually consider this as a possibility, though, Arco should be brought into the discussion. I'm sure he wouldn't mind starting out on an equal footing, but we should ask him before we give serious consideration to chucking that game out the window.

Well, we don't have to. I think what I suggested is quite reasonable and doable, as long as what jark said still applies.
 
Best times for me:

- same as our Sunday morning game; I'm fine with putting that game on hold
- Saturday evening (from roughly 4pm GMT on, i.e. some time before our Sunday morning game)
- Sunday evening (not too late though, until 8-9pm GMT or so, as I like to sleep well before my work on Monday)

I'd rather not do it on Friday evenings (traditional time to go out ;)) or Saturday morning (traditional time for sleeping long after going out on Friday evening :D).
 
Sterkarm said:
Well, we don't have to. I think what I suggested is quite reasonable and doable, as long as what jark said still applies.
It applies. Until September I have to make his Saturday shifts too, after September he'll make my Saturday shifts too.

However, as I am currently playing three CK MP's and one EU2 MP already, I wouldn't really care to take a fifth game along. I do like my family, and I'd like to spend some time with them too :) So if one of the four games I currently play do croak for me, then I am ready to take a game on Saturday (in September).

One additional note: Week 43 I am on reservist training, and probably will miss game-sessions on the both weekends around it.
 
Patrucio said:
Well, I don't mind switching. It gets kind of boring watching you all tremble in fear of the Germanic-Hungarian alliance, anyways. ;) Before we actually consider this as a possibility, though, Arco should be brought into the discussion. I'm sure he wouldn't mind starting out on an equal footing, but we should ask him before we give serious consideration to chucking that game out the window.

Byak told me about this by ICQ and I agree that the best it seems to be shut down the current game and starting this. I discussed with Byak about the possibility of being Aragon -that I like.

But I will confirm later if I participate in this game, but do not worry about me regarding the fate of the current game.
 
Jarkko Suvinen said:
However, as I am currently playing three CK MP's and one EU2 MP already, I wouldn't really care to take a fifth game along. I do like my family, and I'd like to spend some time with them too :)

I only play in 1 CK MP game, and my girls like to suggest that 1 might be too many. ;)

Anyways, I'll start putting Italy's NPCs in code when I get a chance, and I'll generate some for Aragon (since I have an older version where Aragon is not coded yet.) If Jarkko and Arco decide to play, I'll add them in. If they don't, then I won't bother.

Either way, it seems that we've decided that we're going to put the other game on hiatus, which isn't the worst way to go about it. That first game has served as an excellent platform to learn from, and hopefully will serve to make a more stable second game. At the very least, I'm confident we WON'T see a rash of kinslaying in this game. ;)
 
Patr, if you think that there won't be kinslaying, you don't know me very well... :p
 
Solmyr said:
I don't doubt that for a moment. :p

Sterk's usual strategy: Wife not pregnant immediately upon marriage? She must die!

Well, I was rightfully worried last session, because, as it turned out, I died before my wife produced a boy...
 
Well Pat, I have not filled Aragon to my version either as it started to seem (and seems even more now) that Aragon gets a human player. So, if Italy and / or Aragon stay as NPC realms, take the best of the NPC bunch and put him as king and put best of the rest as dukes. That will save from doing them twice. ;)
 
This is the duchy province setup in Aragon, choose two duchies to serve as royal demesne:

Murcia: Almeria, Murcia, Almansa
Valencia: Denia, Valencia, Castellon
Zaragoza: Tarragona, Albarracin, Catalyud, Zaragoza
Catalonia: Lleida, Barcelona, Empuries
Spanish March: Urgell, Jaca, Rosello
Mallorca: Menorca, Mallorca

All duchies are coastal, meaning any one of them can be mercantile. You can have one archbishopric. All duchies are catalan.
 
Pat, here is the latest version, with all npc realm rulers, their wives and AI kingdom technologies (thanks Hyz). Player kingdoms we agreed you would be doing (France, Germany, Poland, Hungary, Italy, Aragon) are on the stage of having only their kings, but I guess it's easy to copy-paste all relevant information from your version into these files. Aragon has only a placeholder king, as Arco has not posted final version of his character. Aragon currently has AI kingdom techs, but I you can rework them while you put Aragon in place.

If you think something is odd or wrong in the scenario at present, please let me know.

EDIT: There are some easter eggs in one NPC kingdom. ;)
 
I already generated some Castillian and Italian nobles (I looked Castile up inthe files to figure out it's duchies), but until Arco and Jarkko decide whether or not they're playing we're kinda stuck in the water.
 
I hope you mean catalan and Aragon, but fine work anyway. I am quite certain Arco is gonna play, I got an ICQ message from him last night asking about is his character idea good. We just need confirmation from Jarkko, I think.
 
It depends really if this is going to be played on Sunday morning game spot :) If it is, yes then I am available, if not, then I unfortunately have to step aside.
 
Well, I think the understanding had on time is that we play on sunday morning, on the time spot of sunday kingdoms game.
 
We got Aragon. The only real important thing about them is that the dinasty should be called Jimenez (as in the vanilla scenario) Why? Is my name :D

Regarding characters:
Our king, a 20 years by the name of Juan: a naive wirepuller, deceitful, wise, energetic, temperate. And in some rating scheme that our feudal lords had never understood he got some strange numbers: 8-7-2-8, 8-7

Our queen, a young catalan noble of 17 years named Claudia: a scholarly teologian (why she married a naive man? blame her father), sceptical, just. With stats of 6, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8.

There is anything I should do? (I read in the thread about different kind of duchies, what I should to do regarding them?)
 
When Pat will post the courtiers you'll get, you need to assign them as dukes. Mercantile duchy = Republic, with all the goods and bads with it. Archbishopric = Archbishopric, with all the goods and bads with it. All three duchy types get unique technology, found in post #206.

The ones you don't assign, will be your starting court.

EDIT: The version for DL on this page doesn't have techs or improvements for England yet. Sorry, will be added.
 
Byakhiam said:
When Pat will post the courtiers you'll get, you need to assign them as dukes. Mercantile duchy = Republic, with all the goods and bads with it. Archbishopric = Archbishopric, with all the goods and bads with it. All three duchy types get unique technology, found in post #206.

K. I will assign duchies now (waiting for courtiers).
Royal Duchy: Valencia.
Duchy for the heir: Zaragoza.
Mercantile duchy: AKA Republic of Catalonia
Archbishopric: Mallorca.
Spanish Marche and Murcia normal feudal duchies
 
Aragon

The King's Brother

Bertran Jiminez

Bertran the Hunch-Backed was fifth child and second son of the late King Jaume of Aragon. Bertran was sent to the military to train, so that he could serve his older brother capably when Juan came to the throne. Bertran demonstrated the great energy all Jiminez seem to possess at an early age, and his natural aptitudes seemed well-suited to a military life dispite his deformity. A tragic training accident took the life of the knight Bertran was training under when he was 11, however, and ever since then Bertran has been something of a fearful person. Bertran's malformed body and cowardly spirit lead him to focus more on the strategic side of warfare rather than the physical side, and in the study of tactics Bertran found his niche. Even at the young age of 16, many remark that Bertran is a very knowledgable general- even if he doesn't exactly inspire the men who follow him.

The King's Brothers-in-Law

Martin de Borja

Martin served King Jaume as his Steward, as Martin's father did before him. Martin is widely hailed as the greatest steward of his generation, and perhaps the greatest financial thinker in all of Europe. To ensure that the talent of the de Borja did not leave Aragon, Jaume wed his eldest daughter Aurembaix to Martin shortly before his death. Martin is an energetic man, though he seems slowed recently by illness. He has never lifted a sword, however, and is widely known to be a coward when faced with physical danger. Dispite this question about his manly courage, however, he has never wanted for feminine attentions. Many wonder whether he will be able to stay faithful to the King's sister.

Vidal d'Empuries

Vidal was born with a great natural talent for management and estates. Unfortunately, however, he was born with little talent for anything else and his skill with finances went unnoticed. Vidal, along with his good friend Ramon de Luna, fought with the Catalans who helped to free the Holy Land from the hands of the Saracens. Vidal recieved his ordination while there, commended widely for his courage if not for his greatness but forever scarred in the soul with a deep suspicion of others from all the treachery he saw on both sides. Vidal was wed to Joana Jiminez when he returned, no doubt in part due to the power and influence of his esteemed family.

Bofill de Cerdanya

Bofill is a balanced and capable nobleman, a veteran of many armed conflicts with Aragon's neighbors and proven in almost every sphere of noble leadership. Bofill is known to have a towering temper, and when riled can be exceedingly violent and merciless to those that anger him. He is, however, also a forgiving man, understanding of other's weaknesses just as he hopes they are understanding of his. Bofill is married to King Juan's youngest sister, Titbores.

The King's Cousins

Roger de Luna

Roger is the fraternal twin brother of Ramon de Luna. While his brother was drawn to spiritual matters from an early age, Roger has always been powerfully interrested in the here and now. Roger has a keen intellect and an amazing talent for growing wealth. Indeed, some whisper that Roger shares the same gift King Midas of old had in turning things into gold. Roger's natural brilliance has brought him success at an early age, and has also managed to transform him into a lazy man. Roger is also known to delight in the suffering of others, and spends lavishly on developing instruments of torture. Roger is praised for his devotion to the virtues of chastity, but it has been rumored that his respect for womanly virtue is more due to his preference for the intimate contact of men than his earnest belief in the goodness of women.

Ramon de Luna

Ramon fought in the crusades to free the holy lands while his brother Roger built up the family's fortunes. Ramon took holy orders while he was there, and came back with a very notable talent for leading men in times of war. His times of trouble in the Holy Land taught him the virtues of moderation, and that is something he still practices. He also came back with a petty and vengeful streak, however, and is not one wise people cross.

Pere Fernandez

Pere is the foremost scholar on religious matters in all of Aragon. He is a delightful, charming man who demonstrates tremendous natural talent in anything he tries. He is widely regarded as a paragon of Christian virtue, widely believed to be the most honest man in Aragon, and perhaps the kindest as well.

Domingo Certores

Domingo is a grizzled survivor of Aragon's military, having successfully lead many campaigns against the Kingdom's enemies in the past. He is also remarkably handsome, although he has never exploited his good looks excessively. Indeed, for one so accomplished as Domingo, he is remarkably modest and kind towards everyone he meets.

Sunifred d'Urgell

The haughty Sunifred d'Urgell is not someone you wish to anger. He is a master of courtly intrigues, and his skill in and love of the unseemly aspects of noble life make him widely feared. Sunifred served King Jaume as his personal spymaster, and it is said that many "hunting accidents" that happend throughout Europe happened because Sunifred willed them to. He is relentless in defending his liege from unseen threats, and gleeful in exacting elaborate and drawn-out miseries for his Lord's enemies.

Marqueas de Canamas

Marqueas the Humble was taught at the finest monistaries Aragon had to offer. Unfortunately, however, Marqueas never wanted to be a priest. True, he is a chaste and modest fellow, meek and unwilling to fight those that would harm him, but Marqueas always admired more his cousin Sunifred. Because of his reluctance, Marqueas has proven to be somewhat detached and disinterested from his duties. Still, Marqueas is a talented young man, and generally skilled at many things.