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Sterkarm said:
It seems as an insult... however, my difficulty with this is that it seems you gained a wife/great steward for free (3k marriage aid duty-3k dowry).
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Not for free, I would have got that 3k of Marriage Duty for myself, if I would not have given it to you. Besides with Poland's income 3k is very significant amount of cash. 3k is a significant amount of cash to me too, about 30 months income or cash enough to build three Grand Palaces. Don't lose your sense of proportionality now.
 
arcorelli said:
I am not forced? Buhh, well I will going with the RPish ducky, because my son and heir only a count when other people is a duke? Never
(well after we got Toledo and kick some castillian butt, unless they kick our ass first :p)
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Well, I didn't say you should not give your son a duchy to rule, I just pointed out you don't have to. ;) Also demesnes don't have to correspond to claimable areas when giving out titles during the game. It's just an aesthetic issue.
 
Byakhiam said:
It was not intended as an insult. Besides who would want to separate mother and children? Please don't make such outrageous demands if you wish to keep our relations as warm as they were in the day of marriage. House of Habsburg doesn't bow to threats or demands.
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I doubt that the Pole knows the difference between threats, demands, and diplomacy, Sigfried. Indeed, I am impressed that you were able to distinguish anything from that grunting that passes for speech in the Kingdom of Poland. Such cleverness is why I sought friendship with Germany in the first place.
 
Well, my brother Zygmunt, the scum, told me of deceitful happenings in Germany... I suppose he has proven, to my sadness, his habit of lying...

Anyway, Germany, I seek amends, and, a permanent alliance.
 
Patrucio said:
I doubt that the Pole knows the difference between threats, demands, and diplomacy, Sigfried. Indeed, I am impressed that you were able to distinguish anything from that grunting that passes for speech in the Kingdom of Poland. Such cleverness is why I sought friendship with Germany in the first place.
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These insults must be paid for in the blood of the Rose family... someday I shall set foot upon the cliffs of Dover, and Brittanica shall cower before the might of my sword. That, I know is a threat.
 
Sterkarm said:
These insults must be paid for in the blood of the Rose family... someday I shall set foot upon the cliffs of Dover, and Brittanica shall cower before the might of my sword. That, I know is a threat.
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Hah! More likely the Poles will get lost at sea and disembark in Estonia, thinking it to be England.

As for Aragon, I warn you that any attack on our allies in Castile will bring the might of France against you. Navarra has already fallen to our armies, do not force us to bring the same fate upon Aragon.
 
Sterkarm said:
These insults must be paid for in the blood of the Rose family... someday I shall set foot upon the cliffs of Dover, and Brittanica shall cower before the might of my sword. That, I know is a threat.
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I'm really sorry, my boy, but I can't make heads or tails of that grunting of yours. I'm sure what you said is quite clever for your homeland, but then again I'm also sure that my dog would be hailed as an intellectual giant in your backwards kingdom. If you cared to learn a real language, like English or Latin or German or French, perhaps someday I could enjoy your..ah..unique insights.

Now, if you don't mind terribly, I have actual things of importance to deal with. While your wild gesticulations and manic mumblings are entertaining, I do have feet that need rubbing and Welshmen to humiliate.
 
That, by the way, is a sample of the warmth that exists between England/France on one side of Germant and Poland on the other. As the German King is allied to English and French Kings and has recently taken a Polish bride, he's serving as a bored buffer between the glefully bickering parties.
 
Solmyr said:
Hah! More likely the Poles will get lost at sea and disembark in Estonia, thinking it to be England.
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Oh, THAT's what he said!

I have no doubt that his foot will wash ashore somewhere after his ship is ripped apart by the tides. Poland, unlike England, is not known for their ship-building prowess.

And as for his quip about his sword, I assure him that all of England already fears it. The number of diseases that are rumored to fester in that pitted, low-quality blade is rightly feared by all thinking men. That blade of his is the very embodiment of foul humors.
 
Patrucio said:
That, by the way, is a sample of the warmth that exists between England/France on one side of Germant and Poland on the other. As the German King is allied to English and French Kings and has recently taken a Polish bride, he's serving as a bored buffer between the glefully bickering parties.
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And could someone explain to a kind of amused king of Aragon the reasons of that warmth? (let say, to choose sides :) or to decide to be neutral)
 
arcorelli said:
And could someone explain to a kind of amused king of Aragon the reasons of that warmth? (let say, to choose sides :) or to decide to be neutral)
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Actually Patrucio is a bit deceptive in describing the alliances of Germany, as Germany is not allied with France (we actually have some border disagreements in Hainaut). Germany's allies are Italy, Aragon (allied with AI, as they asked) and England. Germany does plan to ally Poland when one of it's current alliances lapse though.
 
Well, King of Aragon, I will explain:

The English and French have constantly made insults towards the Polish nation, with no provocation. They claim that Krakow is a disease-ridden cess pit, that my wife used herbs to deny me sons, and on numerous ocassions referred to many members of the Polish race, including my own brothers, as stupid. The final straw was when he outright insulted me, saying that I speak in grunts and am uncivilized. Also, these men frequently speak of disrespecting their wives by bedding with others, and even when arranging marriage between the French heir and a daughter of England, the French king said, "Certainly she shall not be so strong as to deny my son other women?" These "kings" cannot call themselves true Catholics, and the English outrightly practice pagan arts and daily they insult the Almighty.

Therefore, because of these insults, I shall war soon with these heretics. France is not so insulting nor is it as outright heretical as the Kingdom of England. Therefore, I offer the olive branch to France, under one condition: That they stay neutral or side with Poland in this war. They have nothing to gain from harming Poland. They have quite a lot to gain from a weak England. Also, I call all true Catholics to aid me, Germany especially, for the English have even dared to insult Dobronega, my daughter and your wife. So, son-in-law, I wish for you to help me fight these heretics. I also ask for the aid, if it is needed, of the Hungarians, my erstwhile ally.

Hopefully now France, Aragon, Germany, Italy, and Hungary know where they stand, for this is a war of honor for Poland, and we shall make the English suffer for their insults.
 
An oddity. England and Poland are indirectly allied - England is allied to France, who is allied to Hungary, who is allied to Poland. Also I believe England has an alliance with Germany, who is planning a future alliance with Poland in exchange for the marriage of Dobrenega. The Hungary believes that George Rose is a coward, which is shown by his alliances with both great powers of Europe. Should conflict rise between them, doubtless he will choose the stronger side, if he chooses a side at all.

His insults are also cowardly. Kazimierz is foolish to attack England because of worthless slander. Of course, the House of Hannus does not rule Poland and cannot make this decision. We will not choose a side, as there is little Hungary can do against England. I, Gaspar, formally announce a policy of neutrality should fools come to arms. We advise the rest of Europe to do the same - let the Roses and Piasts settle this out man to man, without outside interference. Though George will likely not be so eager to make fun of Kazimierz should France and Germany decline an alliance call...
 
Hyzhenhok said:
Though George will likely not be so eager to make fun of Kazimierz should France and Germany decline an alliance call...
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Exactly, that is why I must punish him for his arrogance and cowardice. I do not care so much when Rose insults myself, but when he insults my relatives, my countrymen, and my own daughter, I will not stand idle.
 
House von Habsburg's official stance regarding this "War over Insults" is, according to king Sigfried the patriarch of the house, that England and Poland may fight as much as they like over these matters of honour. Germany will not interfere on either side, as long as other continental kingdoms stay their hand in this private matter between the house of Rose and the house of Piast.

We would also be pleased if this war would not lead to massive devastation or huge land areas changing ownership.
 
On an OOC note, what will be the status of those KoJ duchies that rebelled? Will they be left independent? Can we offer them vassalage, and if they accept will it affect anything?

IC: See, those reckless Poles drove even the Kingdom of Jerusalem into the ground with their mismanagement. :p
 
They rebelled. I think it would be best if they would be left as independent mini-realms there, viable for vasallization of course, but still subject to the rule that if you become able to create / do inherit the title of king of Jerusalem it has to be given to a vassal on the area.
 
arcorelli said:
And could someone explain to a kind of amused king of Aragon the reasons of that warmth? (let say, to choose sides :) or to decide to be neutral)
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England started mocking Poland after he went to the "aid" of the Kingdom of Jerusalem and decided to keep the land he retook rather than giving it back to it's rightful King. While George doesn't give a whit about the Kingdom of Jerusalem as a symbol of religious power, he doesn't like the notion of another King stealing parts of what England spent blood and treasure on forming (Kingdom of Jerusalem)- especially since the King of Jerusalem wound up being a Polish noble rather than an English one. Since then, Poland has done little to change George's opinion of him as a low-brow thug and his pretentions at civility have fallen laughably short of King George's standards. Therefore, George entertains himself by riling up the Polish King and his pretentions.
 
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