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Then I shall entertain myself by burning your cities to the ground. By the way, I will only take 2 counties at max, 1 personal demesne, 1 vassal and I've decided to give away both Jaffa and Acre. But shouldn't I lose more than .2 BB, because granting a title means that you will get the holder of the title as a vassal and can use his troops still. So maybe it should be more, perhaps .4 BB per province (in which case I would lose .6 BB)? Or, it would be around .8 BB, that is if you also took away my claim on it.
 
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Solmyr said:
The officially announced position of the House of Vermandois is that France will not interfere in this war over insults, provided Poland takes no lands in the British Isles.
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Well, I will be taking land, but not much. And, as I take it, should you interfere, Germany shall as well, meaning you would be starting a war between you and Germany, which Aragon would then likely join, and Italy would as well.
 
I appreciate it that my peers have gone to the effort to translate for me the squeals and bellows of that Piast fellow. I could tell he was rather excited, of course, but for the life of me I couldn't make heads or tails of his rantings.

If King Piast wants to try to, er, "teach me a lesson", as it were, he's more than welcome to try. I have no doubt he'd be happy to try and steal more land in parts of the world that have nothing to do with him or his backwards Kingdom. I would caution him, however, that the water can be a dangerous place. It's not unheard of for people sailing to England to accidentally fall of their boats and drown.

Even if he does somehow make it to my Island alive- most likely requiring another sovereign to explain to him how a map works- and trys to use those twigs and stolen blades of his, he will find the walls of London quite superior to anything he's seen before. While he throws himself futilly against our fortifications, my archers will happily make of him a pin-cushon. I hear that Piast is himself a rather cowardly fellow, and likely will flee at the first sign of peril.

If this base thug wishes to wander over to my islands, he's welcome to come and attempt his vengance. His unfortunate people would likely prosper when I take some of his land in response. Otherwise, I would thank him to keep to his place and stay out of the discourses of his betters.
 
Solmyr said:
Perhaps you should not so readily speak for everyone else.
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Germany already said it themselves:

"Germany will not interfere on either side, as long as other continental kingdoms stay their hand in this private matter between the house of Rose and the house of Piast."

As for Aragon and Italy, I'm just saying that it is the best thing for them at the moment.
 
Rose... the more you insult the more I am tempted to take all of your land. I shall remember these vicious slanders, and you are the one who branded me a coward, after I valiantly fought hordes of Muslims and Russians. Your slanderous tongue must be cut out. All of England shall burn, not a single county shall be left untouched by my swath of destruction. You have called me a barbarian, so now I shall play the part of Atilla, yet it would seem that you have no Aetius.
 
Well, house von Habsburg has also mentioned that it doesn't look upon large transfers of land, during this war to reclaim honour, with approving eyes. We encourage house of Piast to prove true it's honour in the battlefield against house of Rose, but very much discourage using the cause of honour to justify large land grabs. Should the house of Piast proceed with such a dastardly act, the need for intervention on either side would go through immidiate re-evaluation of it's necessity.

To summary, we see this as a war to prove one's honour and mettle, so we except it's results to be on par to that.
 
Byakhiam said:
Well, house von Habsburg has also mentioned that it doesn't look upon large transfers of land, during this war to reclaim honour, with approving eyes. We encourage house of Piast to prove true it's honour in the battlefield against house of Rose, but very much discourage using the cause of honour to justify large land grabs. Should the house of Piast proceed with such a dastardly act, the need for intervention on either side would go through immidiate re-evaluation of it's necessity.

To summary, we see this as a war to prove one's honour and mettle, so we except it's results to be on par to that.
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I will take some land, but only as a means to punish the English King. For proving my honor on the battlefield will not quiet his tongue, as he will lose only troops. In fact, if I do not take land, he may not even mobilize his troops and just sit back while I can do nothing but wait. That is why at least some land must be taken. However, at the maximum only 2, and at least one will not be from his personal demesne, but rather, a vassal's, and I do not consider this too large of a transfer. My only hope in this is to discourage further insults or outright military attacks against Poland, both by Rose and by any other dynasty. Besides, even though this is a war of honor, it will be fought in England, and that requires me to send tens of thousands of troops by sea to the English shore, the costs of which are massive, and I do need compensation for the costs.

And, as they said themselves, the Roses would gladly take my land, if I were to somehow lose on the battlefield, likely only if Rose brought forth the hounds of Hell themselves.
 
Two counties can be small or large grab. We will also take into account the wealth of the counties when we consider is the grab any means reasonable. Might we know beforehand what counties would house of Piast consider reasonable reimbursement in the case should they be able to claim overwhelming victory?

OOC: Sterk, taking two counties gives you 2.4 BB (0.8 for grabs, 1.6 for forcing them), I hope you take that into account.
 
Solmyr said:
Incidentally, this may all be for naught as there is that repeatable CTD thingie. Anyone feel like looking through the save to try and determine what's wrong?
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I have looked around at the save file. I also got CTD on may 24th 1088 on a test run. Only thing that drew my attention were a couple entries of destroyed titles in amongst titles, but they had an enddate in them...
 
Sterkarm said:
Rose... the more you insult the more I am tempted to take all of your land. I shall remember these vicious slanders, and you are the one who branded me a coward, after I valiantly fought hordes of Muslims and Russians. Your slanderous tongue must be cut out. All of England shall burn, not a single county shall be left untouched by my swath of destruction. You have called me a barbarian, so now I shall play the part of Atilla, yet it would seem that you have no Aetius.
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What? I can't understand a word of your curious, animated speech. Perhaps one of my associates more accustomed to the odd squaking that comprises your native tongue could translate for me again.

Though watching you dance about like one afflicted by the touch of St. Vitius is highly entertaining, my time (unlike your apparent stupidity) is not infinite. If you don't desisit immeditately in annoying your betters, I shall be forced to teach you a lesson. I will invade your country and burn everything I see to the ground. I doubt you have anything worth plundering save the dowery the German King gave you for your daughter, so I will have to content myself with ravishing your women- who will likely be grateful for the experience- and keeping part of your country for myself.

Ho, hum.
 
Byakhiam said:
I have looked around at the save file. I also got CTD on may 24th 1088 on a test run. Only thing that drew my attention were a couple entries of destroyed titles in amongst titles, but they had an enddate in them...
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I'll see if I can't find anything, though if Byak can't detect an error I doubt I'll find something...
 
The King of England trembles in fear as he makes threats. This will be interesting to watch.

Though we highly frown apon the Piast taking land. Indemnities and honor is all that should be taken in this war. I don't see anything of interest Kazimierz could find in unwealthy, far away England. Also, no matter how much he has slandered you, that does not give you a right to any counties of England. Would you go to war to re-establish your reputation, only to have in demolished by the false claims you will have to produce?

I also frown on English threats to take land. Should the Rose seek to take root in any part of Poland, my neutrality is not as certain.

OOC: Solmyr, do you still have the 1086 autosave? If so, does it crash too? What about the oldautosave?
 
George, I suggest you refrain from taking any land in Poland. After all, who could want to rule such a backward country? And that would only make Piast look more the fool.

OOC: No, I don't have the autosaves from our game anymore. I guess the CTD might be caused either by one of the wars, or by someone making a claim that causes an id conflict.
Also I noticed that Arthwyr, the dead king of Wales, has an active claim on England that has type = 4715 (the only type like that, all other types are 4712). Removing it doesn't prevent the CTD though...
 
Solmyr said:
George, I suggest you refrain from taking any land in Poland. After all, who could want to rule such a backward country? And that would only make Piast look more the fool.

OOC: No, I don't have the autosaves from our game anymore. I guess the CTD might be caused either by one of the wars, or by someone making a claim that causes an id conflict.
Also I noticed that Arthwyr, the dead king of Wales, has an active claim on England that has type = 4715 (the only type like that, all other types are 4712). Removing it doesn't prevent the CTD though...
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You push me to my limits...

OOC: Well, when I reloaded with a save from may 22, 1088, it didn't CTD (I didn't bother to see if it CTDed at all), but then, in june, 1091, I CTDed, and it happened a second time as well.
 
It could be something in the scenario itself. I'll try running the scenario until 1100 or so, to see if I get a CTD. If I get a CTD, we might have to go back to A Game of Thrones until the scenario is repaired. If I don't get a CTD, and if we don't locate a cause for the save's crash, we might consider starting over. Plus side on starting over would be letting Arco and Jarkko begin at the same time as us...
 
I went back to the original scenario files and tried running it, and I got a repeatable CTD again, in Febuary 1089.
 
Ok, there is something bugged in original scenario, that for some reason appears in 1088-1089. Solmyr, you have experience in modding, what could be a cause for a CTD that waits 20 years or so from start before showing up?
 
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