Byakhiam said:
Well, the biggest problem with a game at this time is the lack of available players/subs, but hopefully an American would be available.
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Well, the biggest problem with a game at this time is the lack of available players/subs, but hopefully an American would be available.
Hyzhenhok said:
Well, it depends on the alternate history, I think for this we should simply assume that Manzikert (or something like it) occured in 1060, about 11 years earlier than in real history, so that the Turks have, in this history, just conquered it, and therefore the population is still mainly orthodox. Perhaps we should clear all of the alternate history stuff up...
Truth be told, I'm really bored, so I just thought maybe I'd write something up.
Russia:
The untamed wilderness of Rus, much of it still pagan, was christianized before the Schizm of the Church, splitting into Catholics and Orthodoxes. Before this, the Poles and the Russians were united in an effort to christianize both of their realms, leading joint forces against the pagans along the Baltic and in the Lithuanian region. Jan Piast, first son of Mieszko Piast, even lead a massive force against the pagan Rus which stretched from the Volga all the way to the Prepit Marshes. With his great leadership, he formed the Russian and Polish forces into one army, taking precedence over any Russian who could step up to command. His mighty force of Polish knights and Russian light cavalry smashed through the Pagans, and as the Pagans had no strong leader, they fled easily, and the Russians ran them down.
However, after the Schizm, the Poles and Russians were split forever, as was Poland itself. The Poles were split between the Extremist Catholics and the Orthodox sympathizers. Kazimierz I Piast united it, but it was once again split between his many sons, Wladyslaw the most powerful among them, but the Kievans constantly stopped him from reuniting Poland. Once his son, Kazimierz II matured, though, he was able to unite the nation, since the Russians were occupied fighting a great Pagan leader, by the name of Alexandrii Rurikovich, who managed to retake former Pagan lands and even expand further.
Very fine first session. de Medici wife didn't give me any sons, but I can now try a Piast girl instead. Added some "Ancient Parts of Germany" into the realm and got hugely money and prestige. We went 20 years in about five hours. Only one rehost was necessary during that whole period.
I'll change all heirless countesses into counts. If there is any other edit you feel justified and necessary, please let me know with an IM or by posting in the thread.
Oh yeah Sterkarm, please state will you keep Acre and / or Jaffa or give them back to KoJ.
I'll change all heirless countesses into counts. If there is any other edit you feel justified and necessary, please let me know with an IM or by posting in the thread.
Oh yeah Sterkarm, please state will you keep Acre and / or Jaffa or give them back to KoJ.
Lots of bluster, insults, threats, and debauchery. 
AI Italy and Aragon made some conquests and are doing well in the sons department. DL the save here:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/solmyr/CK/Kingdoms.zip
AI Italy and Aragon made some conquests and are doing well in the sons department. DL the save here:http://www.kolumbus.fi/solmyr/CK/Kingdoms.zip
Sorry for not being there first session but yesterday I was too tired after a whole day of work so I went to sleep. But it seems my AI regent did not bad.
Well, Arco & Jarkko, check around the save, if there is something obviously wrong there, that could very likely ruin your game.
Well, there is an edit that need to be made in England. Namely, my brother that rules Cornwall is not currently my brother. If there are other edits you need to make, Byak, do that one while you're at it.
Solmyr said:
Suffice it to say that there is some bad blood between eastern and western kingdoms, while central kingdoms roll their eyes and think both sides inferior.
Byakhiam said:
Nothing too bad, only 2 things:
1) The AI gave my heir a county (Castellon). it could be edite to the Duke of Zaragoza as intended? (and gave back Castellón to the king).
2) I got a claim on Toledo (a claim that was grabbed I guess not inherited), so can I act on it or not? (if not I could like to get back the prestige).
Other than that, nothing too bad (other than it is very strange to find so many silver tongued and midas touched kings
Happy to say that Galich, Kiev, and Chernigov are now part of the realm of Poland, and we have strong allies in Germany and Hungary, as we have married daughters of Poland into their courts.
Well, I'll keep only Acre, and give Jaffa away... but Jaffa belongs to my brother, the Duke of Krakow, so could you give it from him to the KoJ?
Also, Byak, discussing Dobronega, I think that she should move back to the court of Poland, once Sigfried dies, and hopefully the alliance will be renewed once Sigfried dies, since by then the ruler would either be my grandson (with my current ruler) or my nephew (with my heir).
Well, I'll keep only Acre, and give Jaffa away... but Jaffa belongs to my brother, the Duke of Krakow, so could you give it from him to the KoJ?
Also, Byak, discussing Dobronega, I think that she should move back to the court of Poland, once Sigfried dies, and hopefully the alliance will be renewed once Sigfried dies, since by then the ruler would either be my grandson (with my current ruler) or my nephew (with my heir).
@Patrcucio: I'll edit the duke of Cornwall to be your brother as intended.
@Arcorelli: You can take duke of Toledo, if the duke of Toledo has no vassals. If he has, you need to first remove them in the way you see fit (assasination / vasallization / conquering). Do you not want your heir to be count of Castellon?
@Sterkarm: Moving Jaffa from Krakow to KoJ is not a problem as afaik it's not his only province. You won't lose any BB from it as you have already got the -0.2 to BB from giving it to your vassal. You will get 0.8 BB from Acre. Dobronega has no intention to move back to Poland if Sigfried dies before her, as she has grown accustomed to the lavish palace of Mainz.
Considering Defensive Crusades and giving the land to vassals: If the land that is to be edited away is owned by one prov count or one prov duke without vassals, I will just change the liege for that vassal. If it's held by a multiprovince vassal, I will just move the province like I would move your demesne provs.
@Arcorelli: You can take duke of Toledo, if the duke of Toledo has no vassals. If he has, you need to first remove them in the way you see fit (assasination / vasallization / conquering). Do you not want your heir to be count of Castellon?
@Sterkarm: Moving Jaffa from Krakow to KoJ is not a problem as afaik it's not his only province. You won't lose any BB from it as you have already got the -0.2 to BB from giving it to your vassal. You will get 0.8 BB from Acre. Dobronega has no intention to move back to Poland if Sigfried dies before her, as she has grown accustomed to the lavish palace of Mainz.
Considering Defensive Crusades and giving the land to vassals: If the land that is to be edited away is owned by one prov count or one prov duke without vassals, I will just change the liege for that vassal. If it's held by a multiprovince vassal, I will just move the province like I would move your demesne provs.
Byakhiam said:
Well, having the lands of the duchy of Zaragoza is not bad, but since the idea is that your heir gets a duchy I think he should be duke of Zaragoza instead of count of Castellon.
Toledo is a county of the demesne of the king of Castille not a duchy, so I guess I can DOW Castille for it?
I take that as an insult, Dobronega will move back to Krakow once our palace is finished and if Sigfried should die.
arcorelli said:
Well, let me get your point: You are duke of Zaragoza and count of rest of Zaragoza, except Castellon and your son is count of Castellon and your vassal, riiight? If this is the case, you have the handy "Grant Title" option in the game to fix the issue.
arcorelli said:
Counties are free to take, unless they are king's or duke's only demesne prov and he has vassals.
Sterkarm said:
It was not intended as an insult. Besides who would want to separate mother and children? Please don't make such outrageous demands if you wish to keep our relations as warm as they were in the day of marriage. House of Habsburg doesn't bow to threats or demands.
Byakhiam said:
It seems as an insult... however, my difficulty with this is that it seems you gained a wife/great steward for free (3k marriage aid duty-3k dowry).
Ah well, looking in save, I have a 14 steward... :wacko:
Byakhiam said:Well, let me get your point: You are duke of Zaragoza and count of rest of Zaragoza, except Castellon and your son is count of Castellon and your vassal, riiight? If this is the case, you have the handy "Grant Title" option in the game to fix the issue.
Castellon is part of the Valencia duchy (the royal one) not Zaragoza.I could need to gave title and take back title, a process that I could like to avoid if possible
(if the edit is too much trouble, np, but I wanted to avoid a hit in the loyalty of my vassals). Or I could have a 2 demesne
arcorelli said:Castellon is part of the Valencia duchy (the royal one) not Zaragoza.I could need to gave title and take back title, a process that I could like to avoid if possible
Well, he is your heir, so Castellon is united with Royal Demesne when he inherits. Not a problem big enough to need Revokations or Edits. It will solve itself in next generation. The "Heir duchy" is practically mostly a fancy RP:ish name for it, as you are not forced to give it to a heir.
Byakhiam said:
I am not forced? Buhh, well I will going with the RPish ducky, because my son and heir only a count when other people is a duke? Never
(well after we got Toledo and kick some castillian butt, unless they kick our ass first
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