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Solmyr said:
Incidentally I've created my family genealogy so far, you can see it here: http://www.kolumbus.fi/solmyr/CK/verman1.html
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I may do one for the Roses, too, just to keep track.

As usual, there is quite a bit of inter-marriage between the English and the Franks. I've never played this scenario when England and France have not allied and their nobility married into each other's lines extensively, even when both countries are AI-controlled.
 
Byak, you could just give the vassal to Byzantium (since it's a one county count), though it would be more benifical to Byzantium to control Byzantion directly.
 
Hyzhenhok said:
Byak, you could just give the vassal to Byzantium (since it's a one county count), though it would be more benifical to Byzantium to control Byzantion directly.
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It's much less of a hassle to transfer vassal from one liege to another. Byzantium will revoke those if it needs then. :)
 
I, Kazimierz II, King of Poland, put forth a call to all true Christians for a crusade to the Holy Land, led by Poland, to create once more the Kingdom of Jerusalem. This crusade would be a grand one, and we would take back the Holy Land, and then create the KoJ under new leadership, beating back the heathens.

OOC now. I think we should probably make it a rule to edit sheiks and emirs to the muslims and, if we DOW, we declare total war on Abbasid and the Fatimids (whoever is in Africa) and perhaps even the Turks? Also, whoever gave away land would be given more BB reduction, more prestige and piety. Anyway, I think the participants should discuss this, but I think we should give the AI a chance and make this challenging.
 
Well, adding vassals to oversized heathens is a standard policy in this game, because otherwise heathens are just pushovers after they become too big which really is illogical and not particulary fun.

I think BB reductions and prestige and piety boosts already defined in first post are already very good, because you can get -5 BB (equilevant to -3 monthly loyalty) from just 10 provinces given and there are a bit over 30 provinces in KoJ area. Not to mention +1000 prestige and piety from 10 provinces and the piety boost given by game from taking provs there.

If we go for a many player cooperative Crusade, it's unlikely to have anyone with enough provinces to create title king of Jerusalem and we can't have all of that land to one united kingdom without editing anyway, so in a large cooperative crusade we can let everyone keep their land in KoJ area until end of session where we'll make KoJ from that land. If you participate in cooperative Crusade, it's suggested that you give out all KoJ area to new vassals you specifically want to be part of KoJ or give it as part of your demesne. That will help me big time with the editing. After session we'll just edit KoJ area vassals into one kingdom of Jerusalem and all participants of cooperative Crusade have to either agree who will be king of Jerusalem or we'll make strongest duke there king. Anyway, point being that you can freely take part in cooperative Crusade to retake Holy Land and gain the prestige, piety and BB reduction involved and I'll make it into a good kingdom with edit. Again this is not here to complicate the game, but to add RP feel and fun in the game itself.

Here, a map of KoJ area:
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Cristoforo has had enough of the expansionistic Kazimierz. If Kazimierz does indeed attack Hungary, Cristoforo will defend Hungary and not its bloodcrazy "ally" in Poland.
 
France would not be opposed to the idea of a Crusade. To make it easier, I propose that each of us recover lands of one of the former duchies, in order to recreate it. Naturally, we get the choice of who will be the new duke. If this is agreed upon, France will take it upon herself to restore the French duchy of Antioch as well as Armenia Minor.
 
Jarkko Suvinen said:
Cristoforo has had enough of the expansionistic Kazimierz. If Kazimierz does indeed attack Hungary, Cristoforo will defend Hungary and not its bloodcrazy "ally" in Poland.
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Me and Hungary reached an agreement some time ago... It seems Concini is getting a tad bit bloodthirsty himself.

Anyway, Vermandois, I agree in that respect, and actually, I will attempt to recover the Duchies of Tyre, Galilee, and Palestine, depending on the amount of those who take the Cross.
 
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Solmyr said:
So will there be any editing or do we play from the save as posted?
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Yes there will, I am just waiting for the deadline for edit requests pass. :) It is unlikely any concern now as there haven't been any requests in lately.

As you host, character name file either might or might not give problems. It depends largely on whether or not clients get kid names displayed drawn from the name file on client or name file on host, because if former, it's possible that client sees the kid with different name than the host.
 
Byakhiam said:
As you host, character name file either might or might not give problems. It depends largely on whether or not clients get kid names displayed drawn from the name file on client or name file on host, because if former, it's possible that client sees the kid with different name than the host.
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Names are text strings though, once they are taken they no longer change as they are stored in the character entry rather than referring to another file like dynasty entries. Guess we'll have to try and see.
Or I could just post my names file for DL. :D
 
Solmyr said:
Names are text strings though, once they are taken they no longer change as they are stored in the character entry rather than referring to another file like dynasty entries. Guess we'll have to try and see.
Or I could just post my names file for DL. :D
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Well, how is it different from 1.04 name file?
 
Byakhiam said:
Well, how is it different from 1.04 name file?
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- more names for some cultures (Arab, some others)
- Greek and Russian name lists overhauled (the Paradox lists aren't very representative, and in some cases downright funny)
- some common names for certain cultures repeated to make them more likely to appear (like Otto for German, or Boleslaw for Polish)

Basically it's the 1.04 list with more names added.
 
Solmyr said:
Basically it's the 1.04 list with more names added.
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Well, I could take it as my list as long as there are no Björns in finnish list. :rolleyes: But 1.04 had taken care of that already. We might all use it if other agree.

Have you been using your modded list earlier in MP, btw?
 
Ho hum, my regular UL site is down. It seems I have to give you the edited save tomorrow morning. I did not put new moslem vassals in, because I began the editing late tonight (damn addictive Victoria...) and I figured that you'll prefer getting a certainly working save instead of new moslem vassals.
 
Damn, now it's gonna be really easy... oh well, hello Baghdad.
 
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