Kings, Emperors, and Statesmen: A Saga 1066-1920

[Sid Meier]

so ya, Sterk www.zambinidirect.com/vassili/

these is where the saved are and www.zambinidirect.com/vassili/teamspeak holds the ts tutorial pictures.

usually the save is KESXXXX

once we all got the hang of it getting into game took like only a minute, im not kidding you its went really fast.

 

[Sterkarm]

Sid, if that is really the map (assuming you didn't just take a screenshot from a save in SP to piss me off), someone's gonna have to die.

 

[Sid Meier]

no no I'm joking Sterk Goto the link I gave you and check yourself, i did it to because it was a hilarious thing to do. My friend was in on it

 

[Sterkarm]

no no I'm joking Sterk Goto the link I gave you and check yourself, i did it to because it was a hilarious thing to do. My friend was in on it

Hence my little comment in my other post.

 

[Sid Meier]

? hmm I think my eyes are decieving me I coulda swore there was alot more test before I refreshed

 

[Sterkarm]

? hmm I think my eyes are decieving me I coulda swore there was alot more test before I refreshed

Hmm, want me to put it back in? Maybe I will, cause I don't find these stupid jokes funny when they're done over and over again.

 

[Sid Meier]

heya man, I joined in May 2005 I have no clue whethor or not these jokes were done over and over again, these jokes are bound to come your way your fault for having such a huge empire.

 

[Sid Meier]

c'mon man take a practical joke, you know we luv you.

 

[Sterkarm]

c'mon man take a practical joke, you know we luv you.

Internet's very screwy lately, but I think I may have fixed it by installing some firmware or something.

Anyway, yes, I've taken many a practical joke. But man, Dominus used to pull this crap in March Through Time again and again on everyone. It got old quickly.

 

[unmerged(31960)]

hehe, just as planned sid!
Anyway, i hope you can play next session so Ai doesn't edn up conquering Germany too :S

 

[Kujy]

Well, while it may not mean much to the point you're making, I'd like to explain the situation in question: old king Richard had two sons. His eldest died young, but sired two sons. The younger one of these sons, also named Richard, survived. The king's other son, Jordan, was designated heir to the throne by the salic consanguinity laws. Old king Richard fell into depression in his 50's, and succession seemed imminent. However, the king lingered on, and suddenly Jordan dies very young(in his early 30's IIRC). Now you'd expect Jordan's eldest son Robert to be next in line? Hell no. Richard the younger pops up like jack-in-the-box, reserving the throne both for himself and his own three children.

If a particular character falls out of the inheritence line I can live with it. If a whole branch suddenly and unexpectedly falls off and reveals a neglected half-rotten branch, I get upset. Especially considering the circumstances.

I'll bow to the wishes of the majority. Personally though I'd prefer to leave it an open issue for the players. Just because I wanted help doesn't mean someone would provide it.

I don't really mind or care if a player assassinates heirs or not. Myself, though, I tend to steer clear of this practice (with one exception in the current game). If I have a bad heir I just tell myself "tough sh-t" and accept it.

 

[Sterkarm]

Well, I don't assassinate heirs, but I certainly find other ways to get them out of inheritance. However, I think it should be allowed.

 

[Spinalcurve]

Sterk, you have a Turk as Duke now(not joking)!

 

[Jens Z]

Well, while it may not mean much to the point you're making, I'd like to explain the situation in question: old king Richard had two sons. His eldest died young, but sired two sons. The younger one of these sons, also named Richard, survived. The king's other son, Jordan, was designated heir to the throne by the salic consanguinity laws. Old king Richard fell into depression in his 50's, and succession seemed imminent. However, the king lingered on, and suddenly Jordan dies very young(in his early 30's IIRC). Now you'd expect Jordan's eldest son Robert to be next in line? Hell no. Richard the younger pops up like jack-in-the-box, reserving the throne both for himself and his own three children.

If a particular character falls out of the inheritence line I can live with it. If a whole branch suddenly and unexpectedly falls off and reveals a neglected half-rotten branch, I get upset. Especially considering the circumstances.



I'll bow to the wishes of the majority. Personally though I'd prefer to leave it an open issue for the players. Just because I wanted help doesn't mean someone would provide it.

hehe, thank you for the sitrep. Salic consanguinity can indeed sometimes be a curse.

Succession with Salic consanguinity law can change frequently depending on the children's age, power, prestige, stats etc. That's the danger of this inheritance law. However, while giving the most options to the King, Salic consang. is not ment to be a tool for free-of-choice heir choosing as it is still bound to certain rules.

In your particular case Richard the Younger, son of the King's older son, was the strongest (adult) male with Robert, son of the King's younger son, being still a child. So I fear that Richard the Younger was indeed right to claim the heir's title, at least at that time.

Btw, I assume, you would not have questioned the succession line if Richi the Younger had been a supa-doopa-man?

May god have mercy with King Richard the butcher!

 

[Jens Z]

Well, I don't assassinate heirs, but I certainly find other ways to get them out of inheritance.

No complaints from my part. This is indeed the more subtle way of handling it.

However, I think it should be allowed.

Why? Assassinating was designed as a tool to hurt another family, not to help it. So ur voting for a game exploit?


Anyway, if we cannot find a rule against this game exploit I beg you to keep it to an absolute minimum otherwise I will get the trait "stressed" I fear.

What do the others say btw?

 

[Sid Meier]

i dont particularily care either way no one ever assasinated MY king when I asked in other games

sterk make sure you bookmark my server so i wont have to repeat it. and ppl start writing a new round of aars!

 

[Sterkarm]

Joohoo, do you mean my ruler is a Turk, or just one of the many, many dukes which are my vassal?

 

[Varyar]

In your particular case Richard the Younger, son of the King's older son, was the strongest (adult) male with Robert, son of the King's younger son, being still a child. So I fear that Richard the Younger was indeed right to claim the heir's title, at least at that time.

That's the weird thing: he wasn't. He was a courtier. While OTOH the man who should've inherited had several titles and outranked Richard the Younger in every possible way. It's like Salic consanguinity all of a sudden turned into Salic Primogeniture on its own. Hence my unhappiness.

Btw, I assume, you would not have questioned the succession line if Richi the Younger had been a supa-doopa-man?

Well, I've never claimed I'm impartial But OTOH, if he had been any good, he would probably have been my designated heir anyway.

Most of all I was surprised that Salic Consanguinity worked this way.

 

[unmerged(31960)]

Sterk: he is talking about your most powerful vassal me, my duke got ill since he was a kid and he lasted on the throne just a cupple of years, the duchy was inherited by my most powerful family member, which heppened to be a turkish nephew.
About the assesination thing, well, ikts one of the features of the game, so i support it, it was common to see in those days i think

 

[Jens Z]

About the assesination thing, well, ikts one of the features of the game, so i support it, it was common to see in those days i think

This is indeed correct. Assasinations against enemies were not uncommon in medieval history. (That is what the game feature is about)

However, assassinations against a close family member (like an heir), who seemed to be a wimp or gimp with the only intention of removing him from the family gene pool, are not recorded in any historical document.