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I would if I could. But I am at work. Not home during the weekend (but i will play on sunday)
I emailed the details to Duuk so maybe he could give me a hand?
I emailed the details to Duuk so maybe he could give me a hand?
Sorry. I was waiting on a consensus of the edits?
Are we all agreed that the Bolgar provinces can be given then?
This is his email to me:
Edit2:
A map
Are we all agreed that the Bolgar provinces can be given then?
This is his email to me:
Edit2:
A map
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Duuk,
Sorry for some reason I didn't see the map at first. I agree looks good, if you could make the changes then we could meet and I could get the save from, ya that would be great.
Thanks,
Traveler
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Sorry for some reason I didn't see the map at first. I agree looks good, if you could make the changes then we could meet and I could get the save from, ya that would be great.
Thanks,
Traveler
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Editted savegame file: http://duuk.com/pdox/EDIT_MTT_1137_January_13.eug
NOTE! There is an ISSUE.
Lower Volga is owned by the Count of Don portage. (county directly next to it)
Should I give Bolgar BOTH or NEITHER?
NOTE! There is an ISSUE.
Lower Volga is owned by the Count of Don portage. (county directly next to it)
Should I give Bolgar BOTH or NEITHER?
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Going with NEITHER is:
The 3 provinces locked behind him are the property of various Russian Princes.
The 3 provinces locked behind him are the property of various Russian Princes.
Lets not forget our new rule - No more asking to have your monarch assassinated by other players. Suicide is not very christian.
Also I do hope that Sterkarm realizes he is facing his 2nd player-badboy war in 20 years. With a long, long time to go in this game it might be wiser to make friends, not enemies.
Also I do hope that Sterkarm realizes he is facing his 2nd player-badboy war in 20 years. With a long, long time to go in this game it might be wiser to make friends, not enemies.
I must agree with RP. All diplomacy and all aside the rest of the players are left with no choice but to attack you Sterk when you are growing so strong.
Remember that we are playing for another few hundred years.
Remember that we are playing for another few hundred years.
Capitan said:
There are some double morals flying around here. One is that when a player gets powerful they are attacked and feared (Sterk) and the other is that when a player gets really powerful (like me), they don't get attacked. Why?
It could be coupled with that while I only have gone after easy AI realms, Sterk has sometimes gone after player realms. So....if Sterk only had gone after AIs nobody would have feared him. Or is it that they also fear me, but do not acknowledge it.
Who do I directly threaten? I have only attacked Rus once and that was due to the fear of a mighty Hungarian-Russian alliance. My worst fears have been realized it seems. Yes, I have fought player realms, but that's because I have nothing else to fight. I am completely and totally surrounded by player realms. Hungary in the south, Rus in the east, Norway in the North, Brandenburg and Bavaria in the west. I've had no choice but to expand considering that Rus and Hungary alone command 40-50k more troops than I do. What else can I do?! Watch Rus and Hungary grow and grow while I sit back and do nothing? Also, please don't forget, I have used my power to bring stability to the region in past years. I saved Hungary from a massive rebellion that nearly tore it apart. I saved Naples from absolute destruction by the heathen hordes. I saved Brandenburg from re-incorporation into the HRE.
Then there is the matter of lands I've released. I could have a chance against a Russian-Hungarian alliance if I had not released Georgia. Hungary has given up about three provinces, all worthless, and that is all he has ever released. I've given up nearly two dozen provinces to KoG and KoJ. Had I kept those, I could at least hold my own against the barbarians east and south.
Simply realize, Rus and Hungary could take me on alone. They have far more troops than me and I have just fought a rather large war. These two powers allied are unstoppable. Castille and Naples couldn't bring them down, maybe if Byz and Norway joined in they could. But basically... Poland has had to attack humans because there's nowhere else for it to expand and there normally would be no need except for the expansion of the Hungarians.
Then there is the matter of lands I've released. I could have a chance against a Russian-Hungarian alliance if I had not released Georgia. Hungary has given up about three provinces, all worthless, and that is all he has ever released. I've given up nearly two dozen provinces to KoG and KoJ. Had I kept those, I could at least hold my own against the barbarians east and south.
Simply realize, Rus and Hungary could take me on alone. They have far more troops than me and I have just fought a rather large war. These two powers allied are unstoppable. Castille and Naples couldn't bring them down, maybe if Byz and Norway joined in they could. But basically... Poland has had to attack humans because there's nowhere else for it to expand and there normally would be no need except for the expansion of the Hungarians.
I do not deny it. I would stand by you, unless it was that pesky pledge that my grandfather gave to Naples. I fear Hungery-Rus.
There is also the thing that we agreed not to exploit the coming of substitutes in the game. New players starting as vassal werent allowed to break free from their lord in their first session, because it can screw up a kingdom and we don't know if the new player is coming back.
You (and Trav) went against our gentleman's rules by having the subs hollow out Germany and then profit vastly from it.
Actually I wouldnt mind replaying last session and forget the whole exploity buisiness.
You (and Trav) went against our gentleman's rules by having the subs hollow out Germany and then profit vastly from it.
Actually I wouldnt mind replaying last session and forget the whole exploity buisiness.
I thought Dom was gonna be a perm? Well, if he's not playing I'd agree to editing BB back as vassal of Germany and editing the provs Silesia and its vassals got from war (I granted title) to Franconia and Meissen. I did not realize what was going on, my intent was not to exploit in any fashion the subs.
I thought that the Duchies was played by perms. Otherwise I would have trown a fit over it.
Prime,
I also believed that both duchies would be permanent players as well.
Hey ya'll,
Game is up in Vnet, see ya there.
Traveler
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I also believed that both duchies would be permanent players as well.
Hey ya'll,
Game is up in Vnet, see ya there.
Traveler
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I am considering not continuing playing this campaign. I am put off by the attitude of some and giving up other things for not enjoying myself does not seem like a good deal.
Anyway, I hope you all have fun!
- el capitan
Anyway, I hope you all have fun!
- el capitan