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OMG! OMG! OMG!

Sterk, you conniving dissembler! Your AI has conquered Hungary! I mean, quite literally - it got 100% and then grabbed all the King titles! Just look at this:

Europe1408.jpg


Ye gods! "Pwease help me, Traveller! I'm going to get cwushed!" And like a fool, he beleived you. Now, that's what I call diplomacy! I congratulate you, Sterk, at one stroke you've become the completely dominant Power in Europe. Mind you, it's only going to last for the few months it'll take your BB to drive all your vassals away, but hey! All things are temporary. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Incidentally, Pskov is now mine again; the Count you put over it declared independence, then decided he liked my offer and swore allegiance to me. Very nice of him, I must say.
 
Experiment.. Releasing all I could outside King titles for Poland reduced BB penatly to -7.9... Reducing King titles reduced it to -2.5 but reduced Poland to... well Poland...

Also checked.. Giving Hungarian crown to one of the Hungarian lords pretty much restores Hungary.. Seemed to do it for all three I tried... Does lose significant land, but not horrible by any means... Restored lands each time included much of Cuman, Bolgar and Persia as well as Georgia and Trans..
 
Weekly Game Update


We played at Slow for most of the game with 5 players. We played from February 26, 1404 to March 6, 1408. Newest game MAP is up. For some reason Zupload is not working for me at the moment. I will keep trying until I get the most recent save posted.

The players this session:
  • Traveler - King of Italy
  • KoM - King of Norway
  • Sterk - King of Poland
  • Dom - King of England
  • Blackeye - Emperor of Byzantium

We had 3 game stops. I’ll list the causes for each stop:
  • Everyone except Host CTD, not sure why
  • Everyone CTD, not sure why
  • AI Poland annexed all of Hungary, decided to stop here.

A big war with Hungary versus Poland, Italy and Byzantium resulting in Poland completely absorbing Hungary. We didn’t see that coming. Gonna take a lot of negotiating to figure this one out. We do have a Jan 1408 save if we have to back up.

Open realms:
  • Kingdom of Bohemia needs good leadership
  • Kingdom of France a bit chewed on, potentially fun in the right hands
  • Kingdom of Jerusalem a future power

Traveler

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Just to make it absolutely clear to everyone who was not present, I'd like to state what happened.

At the beginning of the session, AI Hungary DOWed the vassal of one of my vassals (my vassal was Duchy of Cheremisa I believe) causing about 3 of my dukes to DOW. To protect my vassals, I DOWed Hungary. Hungary at the beginning of the war was beating me, but then I fought them to a stalemate as my armies arrived from northern Russia. Oh, also, AI Burgundy DOWed me because the County of Mar (which I was fighting for Opole) pledged allegiance to Burgundy.

I had to leave at about 9:30 AM my time (CST) (10.30 EST, 16.30 CET) when Hungary still held two of my provinces and had annexed at least 2 vassals. That is all I really know. After that, I can only go on what Traveler has said.

Furthermore KOM, I consider that bad form, annexing a four-province vassal of mine while I was away (AI annexing Hungary is quite different by the way, though not excusable). People were lecturing RP for doing the same on a smaller scale (offering vassal to someone in France), I think stealing vassals like that while I'm away isn't exactly fair (though I can see how you wouldn't really have a problem with it once AI annexed Hungary, but I assume you did so before my AI annexed Hungary).
 
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Sterk, as I said, that guy had declared independence from you. Now, I'm not saying I would never steal a disloyal vassal, but this guy wasn't just disloyal, he was actually independent, and at peace with Poland, even.
 
King of Men said:
Sterk, as I said, that guy had declared independence from you. Now, I'm not saying I would never steal a disloyal vassal, but this guy wasn't just disloyal, he was actually independent, and at peace with Poland, even.
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Ok, whoops, misread your post there, sorry.
 
No problem, Sterk. :)

Now, gentlemen, I have been trying to get my converter ready for MyMap. It is becoming more and more clear to me that this is not a one-man job. There are about 800 CK provinces, each of which needs to be assigned to an EU province. I am willing to do quite a bit of it, but not all; therefore, I suggest that, if you wish to see us use MyMap in EUII, you sign up for some blocks of provinces to convert.

Bin has already volunteered to begin at the beginning of the CK province list; I am starting at the end. So these blocks, at the very least, can be considered open :

300-399
400-499
500-599
600-699

Please tell me, "KoM, I will do a block for you", and I shall give you more details on what needs to be done, and send you the relevant files. If nobody signs up, I'm going to say the hell with it and just live with the vanilla map. So if you want MyMap, speak before the conversion, or forever hold thy peace.
 
Uh, could you give me a general idea of which numbers correspond to which areas? I don't want to pick provinces around Poland, Russia, or anything within my sphere of influence (which for the time being includes Hungary, Persia, and about half of Europe ;)).
 
You did, yes, but you're still at war, and I think Dom is gearing up for another land grab, so you'll even have an ally. I think Napoleon himself could be playing France, and short of massive Italian intervention, he'd still lose. Badly.

Sterk, I don't think it's really possible to gain any advantage here; all you need to do is look at the CK province and decide which EU province it belongs in. You just have to make sure that each EU province gets at least one CK province, and that they are spread more-or-less evenly; I cannot see how you could possibly gerrymander it to your own advantage. (Well, short of ridiculous things like assigning Krakow to Akershus, or something.)

However, if you want something outside of Poland, why don't you start with the block 100-199, which is Iberia and southern France? Here is what needs to be done :

This is the format of my converter file :

Code: 
100;Avranches;5;413;NORM;FRAN
101;Rennes;4;414;BRIT;NONE
102;Penthievre;2;414;BRIT;NONE
193;Alcantara;1;440;BADA;LEON
194;Plasencia;2;440;BADA;LEON
103;Leon;2;415;BRIT;NONE
104;Cornouaille;2;415;BRIT;NONE
105;Vannes;3;416;BRIT;NONE
106;Nantes;5;416;BRIT;NONE
107;Anjou;6;412;ANJO;FRAN
108;Maine;5;412;NORM;FRAN
109;Vendome;5;412;ANJO;FRAN
110;Blois;5;411;ORLE;FRAN
111;Chartres;6;411;DFRA;FRAN
112;Ile de France;10;385;DFRA;FRAN
113;Vermandois;4;379;HAIN;FRAN
114;Reims;4;376;DFRA;FRAN
115;Luxembourg;5;377;LUXE;GERM
116;Liege;6;378;BRAB;GERM
117;Brabant;7;378;BRAB;GERM
118;Andernach;6;344;LOLO;GERM
119;Köln;5;343;LOLO;GERM
120;Göttingen;3;333;SAXO;GERM
121;Nassau;4;333;THUR;GERM
122;Leiningen;3;346;FRAC;GERM
123;Mainz;7;345;LOLO;GERM
124;Pfalz;6;345;UPLO;GERM
125;Baden;3;373;SWAB;GERM
126;Nordgau;5;374;UPLO;GERM
127;Lorraine;5;375;UPLO;GERM
128;Metz;3;375;UPLO;GERM
129;Verdun;3;376;CHAM;FRAN
130;Troyes;3;376;CHAM;FRAN
131;Sens;5;386;ORLE;FRAN
132;Auxerre;4;386;BOUG;FRAN
133;Saintois;3;375;CHAM;FRAN
134;Sundgau;3;374;UPLO;GERM
135;Besancon;5;387;BOUG;BURG
136;Dijon;6;409;BOUG;FRAN
137;Nevers;3;409;BOUG;FRAN
138;Orleans;6;411;ORLE;FRAN
139;Bourges;4;410;ORLE;FRAN
140;Tourraine;5;410;ANJO;FRAN
141;Poitiers;5;417;POIT;FRAN
142;Thouars;1;417;POIT;FRAN
143;Saintonge;3;418;POIT;FRAN
144;Lusignan;4;418;POIT;FRAN
145;La Marche;3;419;BOUR;FRAN
146;Bourbon;3;420;BOUR;FRAN
147;Limousin;5;419;BOUR;FRAN
148;Angouleme;2;418;BORD;FRAN
149;Bordeaux;6;424;BORD;FRAN
150;Albret;3;424;BORD;FRAN
151;Labourd;4;425;BORD;FRAN
152;Navarra;3;428;DNAV;CAST
153;Viscaya;4;431;DNAV;CAST
154;Asturias de Santillana;4;431;ASTU;CAST
155;Asturias de Oviedo;5;432;ASTU;LEON
156;Compostela;4;433;GALC;LEON
157;Santiago;4;433;GALC;LEON
158;Porto;3;434;BRAG;PORT
159;Coimbra;1;434;COIM;PORT
160;Lisboa;3;441;TEJO;PORT
161;Alcacer do Sal;2;441;TEJO;PORT
162;Silves;3;442;ALGA;PORT
163;Faro;3;442;ALGA;PORT
164;Niebla;3;443;SEVI;PORT
165;Cadiz;7;443;SEVI;CAST
166;Algeciras;6;445;SEVI;CAST
167;Malaga;5;444;ALME;CAST
168;Almeria;4;444;ALME;ARAG
169;Murcia;4;438;MURC;ARAG
170;Denia;4;438;VALE;ARAG
171;Valencia;6;437;VALE;ARAG
172;Castellon;3;437;VALE;ARAG
173;Tarragona;3;429;ZARA;ARAG
174;Albarracin;3;429;ZARA;ARAG
175;Calatayud;5;430;ZARA;ARAG
176;Molina;4;436;TOLE;CAST
177;Cuenca;3;436;TOLE;CAST
178;La Mancha;4;439;CORD;CAST
179;Almansa;3;438;MURC;ARAG
180;Granada;6;444;ALME;CAST
181;Cordoba;10;439;CORD;CAST
182;Sevilla;6;443;SEVI;CAST
183;Aracena;3;443;CORD;LEON
184;Badajoz;9;440;BADA;LEON
185;Mertola;3;442;VISE;PORT
186;Evora;1;441;VISE;PORT
187;Castelo Branco;1;434;COIM;PORT
188;Braganza;3;434;BRAG;PORT
189;El Bierzo;4;432;GALC;LEON
190;Leon;5;432;BRIT;NONE
191;Zamora;3;435;SALA;LEON
192;Salamanca;1;440;SALA;LEON
195;Caceres;3;440;BADA;LEON
196;Calatrava;3;439;CORD;CAST
197;Toledo;5;436;TOLE;CAST
198;Valladolid;2;435;SALA;CAST
199;Burgos;6;431;ASTU;CAST

The important numbers for this purpose are the first and the fourth; let me highlight an example :

198;Valladolid;2;435;SALA;CAST

This says that CK province 198, Valladolid, belongs to EU province 435, which Leon. You need to look at the CK map, find Valladolid, compare to MYmap, figure out which MYmap province Valladolid would fall into (in cases where it straddles a border, just flip a coin, or use your judgement, or something), and then find which number that is. For Iberia, we very fortunately have a map with province numbers here. You will probably not want to use CK as your viewer for the CK map, that would quickly get a bit clunky; instead I suggest you download this little tool. Then you just change the 435 to whatever the new number is (in some cases it might be the same) and continue down the list.

Note : You can assign two or more CK provinces to one EU province, but you should strive to make sure that each EU province has at least one CK province, and that they are reasonably evenly spread - don't load five into one, and only one on another.
 
Btw, about the Polish situation : My vote is we leave it as it stands, and watch Sterk's empire crumble around him. I'll bring popcorn. :D
 
Hello folks,

Well been working with the save and the 1408 march 6 save has a bug. Hungary has no controlled counties. What I mean is, Hungary has three King titles but no land. If you select one of the surviving dukes it will show their liege as the young King of Hungary but he has no land. Also if you select Hungary from the scenario screen and try to load you bounce out to the end screen.

So what I did was load the autosave from Jan 1 and freed Persia, Transoxania and Georgia. Then I adjusted Prestige and Bad-Boy, for Poland and Hungary, so as not to mess up any ruler due to the quirky war results. Finally, I made peace between the major combatants (i.e. Poland, Hungary, Byzantium and Italy).

For some reason Zupload is just not working can’t get any save files uploaded truly annoying. Anyway, here’s a MAP to look at hope it helps.

CKmap1408sn.JPG

Europe after Great Calamity

CKmap1408ps.JPG

Peace in Our Time

Anyway expect lots of debate, but I feel this is a good solution to the problem. On another note, why are we going to use a Map for EUII other than the one that comes with the game?

Traveler

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Um, Trav, I do feel you shouldn't release Ear's lands, just because Poland conquered him when he wasn't there.

On the MYmap thing, it was quite strongly requested by several people, and I thought it was agreed on by everyone.

I have now reached province number 650, working my way down from 997. Please sign up for blocks, or it'll be the vanilla map.
 
OK,

Lets take a vote:
Those in favor of Mymap say so and those opposed say no.


We have 1-0 for Mymap:
  • KoM - Mymap

I wont vote yet as I don't know enough about this Mymap thing.

As far as the peace, well we have to decide on that as well, Hungary is at war with Poland, Italy and Byzantium. If we jump back into the orginal save we'll end up still at war with 90 percent of Hungary's demesne occupied. We are getting close to conversion time and to expadite the results of future conflicts feel it is the most advantageous way to resolve the matter. Again, I welcome everyone to debate the issue and make their thoughts known to the rest.

Traveler

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For the peace, I would prefer to go back to the autosave, and everyone gets a WP.

For the MYmap thing, if you vote MYmap, I will assume you are also volunteering to do some of the work, and assign you a block of provinces to do.
 
KoM,

I'm willing to help but need to understand what exactly I have to do. The example you gave earlier is confusing to me (be nice I'm a little slow).

198;Valladolid;2;435;SALA;CAST

This says that CK province 198, Valladolid, belongs to EU province 435, which Leon.
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What's the 2 mean after valladolid? What's SALA and CAST mean? and what do you mean "which Leon"? Ok give me some idiot proof step by step instructions and I will work my tail off for ya. Of course, I reiterate I need iron clad instructions, hehe ;).........

Come on people lets talk about the peace. Italy will not rest until the middle east is free. I'm sure Byzantium feels the same way as well as Poland.

Traveler

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I've been following this for a while and I think I can help you out Traveler. SALA is the tag for the CK Duchy of Salamanca, the duchy Valladolid belongs to. CAST is the tag for Castile, the kingdom Valladolid belongs to. But those are not important. I think KoM meant to say "which is Leon" and say that EU2 province 435 is Leon in the vanilla map. I'm not sure what the 2 means, so KoM will have to explain that. Hope this helps, I'm looking forward to this being converted to EU2.
 
If you choose MyMap, you'll be needing a MyMap-Vic converter as well in a few months, which currently does not exist...
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Is that a problem?
I mean, do you really think a group of people who are week or such away from announcing CK->MYMAP_EU2 converter can't make MYMAP_EU2->Vicky one?;)

Traveler:

1.My vote is for MyMAP and Earendil expressed something like definite wish for MyMAP in this thread.

2.Why should we go MyMAP:
- bigger (+400 provinces)
- more ROTW-power
- generally more fun and historically accurate (no flaws like a hundred-province Siberia while 30 province China and 5 province Japan)

3.Explanation:

To take part in CK->MYMAP conversion you need to:

1.DL KoMs CK->EU2 converter (available from his sig) and take a look at the files it has with it - you'll notice they bear resemblance to what is in your EU2 game folder(-s)

2.Assemble the tools which will allow you to check CK map versus MyMAP, you have 2 options here:
- DL the tools KoM linked to
- run CK and MYMAP EU2 simultaneously and check using 'showid' commands (does it work in EU2?).

3.Make up the block of converter file you're supposed to:
198;Valladolid;2;435;SALA;CAST
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198 - CK province ID
Valladolid - CK province name
2 - ?(Kom, you better explain!:) )
435 - MyMAP province name which resembles the CK province with ID 198 in MyMAP
SALA - Duchy tag for CK province with ID 198
CAST - Kingdom tag for CK province with ID 198


KoM, I almost made it past those 100 already!:p

My blocks then:

1-99
200-399

(I will probably make some more once I get into the gear)


4.Hungary issue:
There's no telling what crap AI can do when let run in the wild, so we better revert to original situation.


5.My absence:
I must apologise to Lurken whom I promised to sub this session, I was again unable to be there.
The reason is my relative was on a death bed and in the rush and frustration I forgot to inform you before leaving.
 
Bin,

Thank you very much for your explanation it does make more sense. Also your argument for Mymap is persuasive and I definitely like the idea of more provinces to explore, expand and exploit. I vote to use Mymap. KoM sign me up for a block, I’ll do my level best to get it done.

MTT players,

With regard to the Peace, I must confess I’m a little afraid of the situation in the Middle East. I never ran this game as a GM. Mostly I hosted the sessions and posted info about the game. I allowed the players to run the game and enforce the rules. I never imposed my will, except with regard to fighting and foul language.

My point is this; I don’t want to go into EUII with the entire Middle East controlled by players. I had planned with other players to smash those realms that held massive chunks of land in those regions to create free realms. It was just fortuitous that Hungary attacked Poland and allowed us an opportunity to smash them quickly. I tell you, had Ear shown up it would have gone much the same route.

Now the choice is this. Do we load the save and force us to slog through hours fighting to decide the fate of the Middle East. Can’t we use this opportunity to discuss the matter amongst the players and try to come to a reasonable conclusion that we all can live with? Now the realms that are shown free in the MAP are not the only answer, just a suggestion. We have the week to discuss it.

Everyone has an interest in the outcome of this matter therefore your input is important. But, please refrain from snap decisions and dramatic statements. Remember this is a suggestion an opportunity to work out a problem before we have to play. Think about it, post your response and be open to compromise.

Traveler

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