Stellaris - Hints Explained

[Dagda]

Ehh, it WAS Chris King but since he left there is doubt that there IS a Vicky guy at all. Shams hinted at that being the reason for there not being any Vicky 3 in development at the time a question about it came up, like a year or so ago.

What hint was that?

I wasn't really sad when King left since he had some strong political opinions that I disagreed with it. But if he was really the Vicky guy then that is a huge loss.

But let's all take a step back for a second. Just because a Paradox SPACE GSG is being made doesn't mean there won't be a Rome 2 or Vicky 3 in the future. New IP is very valuable these days (which will promote future PDS ventures) and honestly, most of the space 4x and GS have been mediocre at best since MOO2 (and SOTS 1 imo). I have faith Doomdark and Paradox can deliver and am super excited at the fact they are addressing the issue with the lack of end game variability. Seriously now , almost every space 4x/gsg becomes a joke after the initial early game so I'm excited to see what they have in store to mitigate this since EU definitely suffers from this as well.

 

[Reidy]

Personally i thought the 7 was pointing towards the 7 different phenotypes/species and the 3 was pointing towards the 3 different forms of technology (its said in the RPS preview that there are 3 "departments" Physics Social and Engineering....unless i read it wrong :/ )

on another note the last hint went over my head due to the fact i had no idea about a leak, so thats a plus i guess haha

 

[Meanmanturbo]

What hint was that?

I wasn't really sad when King left since he had some strong political opinions that I disagreed with it. But if it he was really the Vicky guy then that is a huge loss.

But let's all take a step back for a second. Just because a Paradox SPACE GSG is being made doesn't mean there won't be a Rome 2 or Vicky 3 in the future. New IP is very valuable these days and honestly, most of the space 4x and GS have been mediocre at best since MOO2. I have faith Doomdark and Paradox can deliver and am super excited at the fact they adressing the issue with the later game variablity. Seriously now , almost ever space 4x/gsg becomes a joke after the initial early game so I'm excited to see what they have to mitigate this.

Well, what Shams said in one Paradox stream (about a year or so ago) was that there was currently no Vicky 3 in development. And the reason was no one on the team who was a "champion" of Vicky 3 with new cool ideas on how to improve it and stuff like that. So "hint" might have have been an understatement on my part.

 

[TheAtreides84]

In europe, the latest time, in other times and places it's been just as prevalent. And you're wrong about Locke, Bacon said to study the world by looking at the world before him (roughly a century). And they are just the first english speakers to make the statement. Da Vinci suposedly had similair ideas (a century before Bacon).

Understanding of mathemetics and physics helped the ancient civilisations build their wonders of the world. measure distances and so on. Everything static they could measure. And they did.

In india there were philosophers who proposed the energy nature of matter before the birth of christ. That's more than two thousand years before eninstein.

We are not understanding each other. I'm Italian, I know well enough that Da Vinci and Galilei had very clear ideas about experimental science. I'm not talking about who came up with the thing first, I'm talking about the time when the experimental method started to be a reliable source of new advancements. The first peer-review in Europe is about middle 17th century. Between empiricism and enlightment, as I said. Sure as hell not in the classical times. The most similar thing we have to government or corporate large scale purpose driven research is the tyrant of Syracuse asking Archimedes some wunderwaffen to sink ships.

 

[wolfing]

Since they have yet to implement the agree disagree systme here:
Disagree. You wanted it not to be something so you made your facts fit that, other people wanted it to fit something so they made the facts fit that. Humans always make the facts fit whatever they hope to be true. It's one of the nig problems we've had when developing science and the reason that scientific methoc looks like it does (to minimize the damage of people doing this). Also several of your comments are just wrong.

Oh but you misunderstand me... I wanted Rome 2, but I was not delusional. To me it was clear it wasn't Rome 2 from hint 1, It was a new IP, that ruled Rome 2 out straight away, but people kept saying like "oh, well if they continue the game after 27 BC" or "if they start the game from the foundation of Rome" "it's not technically Rome 2!". And to me the delusion never stopped after that. It's like people thought that when Paradox said (overtly or covertly) that it's not Rome 2, they thought Paradox was just trolling.

 

[Haldan]

Well, this was to say to you that it was NOT rome2 or victoria 3.

To tell you once again.. Its NOT rome2!

The tears! Oh, I need a napkin. Is that blood?

6 - Elections and Technological Development are important parts of the game.
To eliminated ancient games from speculation, and hint that its set in the future.

Yeah, there's no reliable evidence of the Greek, Roman and Carthaginian Republics anyway.
Nor is there any of Archimedes or Hero. Isn't Archimedes that bird that lives within chest cavities?

 

[Thure]

Yeah, there's no reliable evidence of the Greek, Roman and Carthaginian Republics anyway.
Nor is there any of Archimedes or Hero. Isn't Archimedes that bird that lives within chest cavities?

Greeks mostly don't had elections... Only some of the city states had them.

And technological development is the important thing here. Of course there was technology during antiquity... but 'Technological Development' is a later concept. Technological development as a system wasn't important during the antiquity.

 

[loup99]

Greeks mostly don't had elections... Only some of the city states had them.

It was quiet limited too. Not what we consider as "elections" today.

 

[TheDungen]

Oh but you misunderstand me... I wanted Rome 2, but I was not delusional. To me it was clear it wasn't Rome 2 from hint 1, It was a new IP, that ruled Rome 2 out straight away, but people kept saying like "oh, well if they continue the game after 27 BC" or "if they start the game from the foundation of Rome" "it's not technically Rome 2!". And to me the delusion never stopped after that. It's like people thought that when Paradox said (overtly or covertly) that it's not Rome 2, they thought Paradox was just trolling.

Whait you want EU:Rome? You're the first one I've spoken to who does most want a real Rome/antiquity IP. to them not rome2 was good news, it opened up the potential for an actual dedicated IP.

 

[Dagda]

Well, what Shams said in one Paradox stream (about a year or so ago) was that there was currently no Vicky 3 in development. And the reason was no one on the team who was a "champion" of Vicky 3 with new cool ideas on how to improve it and stuff like that. So "hint" might have have been an understatement on my part.

Ah ok. So imo that's for the better. Vicky 3 should be developed when the devs have inspirational ideas to improve on it's successors

The idea that Paradox should coform to a Call of Duty development cycle is ridiculous.

 

[TheDungen]

Greeks mostly don't had elections... Only some of the city states had them.

And technological development is the important thing here. Of course there was technology during antiquity... but 'Technological Development' is a later concept. Technological development as a system wasn't important during the antiquity.

Totally disagree on the latter.
And as to the former, it's kind of hard to say when a tribal council becomes a republic. Many of the greek cities had always been "democracies". It's a simple enough system as long as you have few enough individuals.

 

[Haldan]

It was quiet limited too. Not what we consider as "elections" today.

The men of the city got together to chose new leadership/new leaders, or the few important politicians got together to do it. Sounds pretty much like elections today. Except now Slavery is abolished and women got the right to vote, but that wasn't until quite recently.

 

[loup99]

The men of the city got together to chose new leadership/new leaders, or the few important politicians got together to do it. Sounds pretty much like elections today. Except now Slavery is abolished and women got the right to vote, but that wasn't until quite recently.

At least where I live, slavery has been abolished for a quiet long while. They also had more direct democracy with open votes.

 

[TheDungen]

hint 6 might not have completely ruled it out, but the chances of it being an antiquity game became exceedingly slim there.

I'll be honest, I kept hoping, but I didn't really believe it'd be a Antiquity game

Well it excluded everything besides mordern, antiquity and sci-fi. Since no one does modern games (becuase of the implications) and paradox have never before done a sci-fi my conclusions were quite diffrent. Tech might not fit perfectly with the common perception of antiquity (Which of course is a missassumption technological progress has always been around, though granted it has been trending at picking up speed) but once you elliminate the impossible whatever remains however unlikely... you know how it goes.
Also can't blame me for thinking technology is always important, they said exactly that as an exaplanation of the terrain thing. And belive me there was more technological progress in the antiquity than there is 'terrain' in space (at least real life space).

 

[TheDungen]

At least where I live, slavery has been abolished for a quiet long while. They also had more direct democracy with open votes.

Define long, time is relative (not to be confused with relativistic). As for women voting it's in the last century. Which is kind of scary.

 

[TheAtreides84]

Since no one does modern games (becuase of the implications)

And that is a real shame. Had hoped for a insurgency-counterinsurgency strategy game since I was 14.

 

[TheDungen]

I wasn't really sad when King left since he had some strong political opinions that I disagreed with it. But if he was really the Vicky guy then that is a huge loss.

What political opinions? You make it sound like he was a commie but if he's the guy behind vicky2 then it seems unlikely.

 

[TheDungen]

We are not understanding each other. I'm Italian, I know well enough that Da Vinci and Galilei had very clear ideas about experimental science. I'm not talking about who came up with the thing first, I'm talking about the time when the experimental method started to be a reliable source of new advancements. The first peer-review in Europe is about middle 17th century. Between empiricism and enlightment, as I said. Sure as hell not in the classical times. The most similar thing we have to government or corporate large scale purpose driven research is the tyrant of Syracuse asking Archimedes some wunderwaffen to sink ships.

You're makign a common mistake and think all tech has to be advanced by our standards like archimedes energy weapon. Better metalglury techiques was also technoligical progress, better lighter swords and shields. Riding, the saddle the war chariot, the wheel itself.
And formalised peer reviews have nothing to do with technology, also we've been doing dialogues where a scholar had to defend his thesis since antiquity.

 

[grandad1982]

Ehh, it WAS Chris King but since he left there is doubt that there IS a Vicky guy at all. Shams hinted at that being the reason for there not being any Vicky 3 in development at the time a question about it came up, like a year or so ago.

Both Podcat and Wiz have said they would champion the game but obviously they are both busy. It was said somewhere in a thread on the PDS general forum.

 

[TheDungen]

Rome 2 is a CA title. Also antiquity deserves it's own IP not just a EU spinoff.