Stellaris - Hints Explained

[TheDungen]

And that is a real shame. Had hoped for a insurgency-counterinsurgency strategy game since I was 14.

Yeah but that would require you to touch the conflicts of the day, which includes really controversial things like, what would the effects be if Obama had gotten his own healt care plan of? If you had made it a good thign you'd be pissing some people of, if you had made it bad you'd be pissing others of. What about Russia? How would you portray it without upsetting either europe of russian customers?
I'd love to see one to but it would require actually taking a stand on the issues of today. Democracy did that, but then again even they keep it in very arbitrary term. If you spend to little on military then unnamed insurgents from an unamed country and culture occupies some unnamed stuff.

 

[A_Dane]

Well it excluded everything besides mordern, antiquity and sci-fi. Since no one does modern games (becuase of the implications) and paradox have never before done a sci-fi my conclusions were quite diffrent. Tech might not fit perfectly with the common perception of antiquity (Which of course is a missassumption technological progress has always been around, though granted it has been trending at picking up speed) but once you elliminate the impossible whatever remains however unlikely... you know how it goes.
Also can't blame me for thinking technology is always important, they said exactly that as an exaplanation of the terrain thing. And belive me there was more technological progress in the antiquity than there is 'terrain' in space (at least real life space).

Oh I don't blame you for thinking such, but I figured that since they used "development", which kinda Implies focus on advancing research (at least to me), it sort of pointed to sci-fi above antiquity. - not that it completely rules it out, no, but to me it just didn't look like it anymore

 

[The Fremen]

Rome 2 is a CA title. Also antiquity deserves it's own IP not just a EU spinoff.

Absolutely. I meant of course a Paradox title of Rome which is not some sort a EU based, but a title of its own. It might be under development, might be not, but I really it is, because many people in this community are asking for it. I follow Paradox's game release and not once they canceled their own titles or other titles (East vs. West) assumably due to two reasons quality, which they mentioned as far as I can remember after every cancelling and sales potential. It is very likely that Paradox's view on potential sequel or a completely new Rome title stems from the probable lack of success of EU:Rome, which quite frankly didn't stand up to the standards set by his bigger brothers. However, I do believe that Rome is a highly desired era and without conducting much research I can quite surely say that if done correctly it would be a very successful title. I also think that the RPG elements is crucial for a game like Rome success.

If I compare titles of Paradox, like CK2 to other games in strategy genre and other genres, what makes their game so attractive is the replaybility that what makes it a cash cow it is. In summary, we can say that Paradox's activity is characterized by risk averse nature, but Rome is a popular era and combination of high quality and replaybility should lower the risk and higher the potential of it becoming major title similar to its older brothers.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

1 - This will be our first new major IP released since the original Crusader Kings over 10 years ago.
Well, this was to say to you that it was NOT rome2 or victoria 3.

2 - Seven and Three are important numbers.
Well, this was to create discussion, but 7 and 3 are numbers very important in cosmology.

3- There will be no stabbing of pigs.
To tell you once again.. Its NOT rome2!

4 - Terrain truly matters in this game.
Because it does in all our games, but in some much more.. And in this game its more involved than ever before.

5 - Game Director is Henrik Fåhraeus, 15 year industry veteran, lead designer behind the Crusader Kings and Hearts of Iron series.
Me and Henrik are slightly different in our designviews. He's the ck guy, i'm the eu guy.

6 - Elections and Technological Development are important parts of the game.
To eliminated ancient games from speculation, and hint that its set in the future.

7 - This is a project we've always dreamt about doing, something all of PI have been involved in, not just the PDS developers.
Every department has been a part of it, and this hint was also posted by Fred who have said he wanted to make a spacegame a lot of times.. (So have I)

8 - Picture
Futuristic looks that most of you saw directly.

9 - Leader characters play an important role in the game.
To indicate the game we wanted to be.

10 - I have seen things you people wouldnt believe..
Quoting Blade Runner to confirm to you guys that the leak was real.

-Already posted on hint #1 before. I did get hints 1 and 3, but I wasn't taking it as a slam dunk that there was no ancient game at all.

-But number 2...
Ooohhh, cosmology is the belief that "the answer is in the stars", I get it now!!! I was thinking numerology... totally missed that one.

-Hints 4, 5 & 9 hinted at the type and quality of the game to me, nothing about the place or scope.

-Hint 6... Yes, I saw the trademark filing of a GSG game called Stellaris posted earlier than this point, and I was already convinced Augustus was Stellaris. But since hint 6 definitely eliminated everything set before the scientific revolution, this was the "official" confirmation of Stellaris to me.

-Hints 7 & 8 really hinted at space.

-Hint 10 really got me exited. The developers are showing off cultural knowledge of Blade Runner instead of relying on shoot-em-up type space games, or the usual Wars and Trek references? Now that is a space game I would like to see!

 

[Emren]

1 - This will be our first new major IP released since the original Crusader Kings over 10 years ago.
Well, this was to say to you that it was NOT rome2 or victoria 3 yet.

Fixed it for ya'.

 

[TheDungen]

-Already posted on hint #1 before. I did get hints 1 and 3, but I wasn't taking it as a slam dunk that there was no ancient game at all.

-But number 2...
Ooohhh, cosmology is the belief that "the answer is in the stars", I get it now!!! I was thinking numerology... totally missed that one.

-Hints 4, 5 & 9 hinted at the type and quality of the game to me, nothing about the place or scope.

-Hint 6... Yes, I saw the trademark filing of a GSG game called Stellaris posted earlier than this point, and I was already convinced Augustus was Stellaris. But since hint 6 definitely eliminated everything set before the scientific revolution, this was the "official" confirmation of Stellaris to me.

-Hints 7 & 8 really hinted at space.

-Hint 10 really got me exited. The developers are showing off cultural knowledge of Blade Runner instead of relying on shoot-em-up type space games, or the usual Wars and Trek references? Now that is a space game I would like to see!

Hey! It would be illogical to speak ill of Star Trek.

 

[Stuckenschmidt]

Rome 2 is a CA title. Also antiquity deserves it's own IP not just a EU spinoff.

Indeed. If Pdox had made a proper game back then it would have sold better. But no, they even repeated it two times with Sengoku and Eagles.

 

[wingzero890]

will stellaris use monarch points (obviously would be named something else, like 'empire points' or 'stellar points')


please paradox, say no.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

Hey! It would be illogical to speak ill of Star Trek.

Don't get me wrong, I really like both Star Wars AND Star Trek, and enjoy the worlds of both. But what inspires and informs the developers?

A Star Wars quote would speak to me with a good versus evil trope, you're with us or against us. A Star Trek quote would have spoken to me a little better, but in both cases, the story lines are much less nuanced than I imagine for a future Paradox game, evolved from what they have done before. Neither are what we would call Byzantine, complex, or riddled with difficult choices. In both cases, it's pick a side, beat the other guy, don't really worry about what's happening inside your growing Empire.

Blade Runner is different. It is a world full of difficult choices, of wonder and of problems, both existing side by side, where a person created in a lab and bred as the ultimate android servant/soldier can dream of a different life, to try to live with all the strength they have, and die as individuals, gunned down as animals, or dying poetically. Who can beat tears in the rain?

I could be dreaming, but little things like that can get me really interested in something like a computer game.

 

[Pugmak]

1 - This will be our first new major IP released since the original Crusader Kings over 10 years ago.
Well, this was to say to you that it was NOT rome2 or victoria 3.

2 - Seven and Three are important numbers.
Well, this was to create discussion, but 7 and 3 are numbers very important in cosmology.

3- There will be no stabbing of pigs.
To tell you once again.. Its NOT rome2!

4 - Terrain truly matters in this game.
Because it does in all our games, but in some much more.. And in this game its more involved than ever before.

5 - Game Director is Henrik Fåhraeus, 15 year industry veteran, lead designer behind the Crusader Kings and Hearts of Iron series.
Me and Henrik are slightly different in our designviews. He's the ck guy, i'm the eu guy.

6 - Elections and Technological Development are important parts of the game.
To eliminated ancient games from speculation, and hint that its set in the future.

7 - This is a project we've always dreamt about doing, something all of PI have been involved in, not just the PDS developers.
Every department has been a part of it, and this hint was also posted by Fred who have said he wanted to make a spacegame a lot of times.. (So have I)

8 - Picture
Futuristic looks that most of you saw directly.

9 - Leader characters play an important role in the game.
To indicate the game we wanted to be.

10 - I have seen things you people wouldnt believe..
Quoting Blade Runner to confirm to you guys that the leak was real.

I've long agitproped for a PI Space Game. Now, that it's coming, I'm nervous. This means I'm gonna actually have to learn to play the dang thing and I'm still trying to figure out HOI3. I've barely touched Vicky2 and EU4 and I haven't done anything with CK2 yet except to fire it up once to make sure it loads.

PS: Solaris is latin. Romans spoke latin. Are you really sure this isn't Rome2: Rome in Space? Why can't Rome into space if Poland can?
PPS or PSS or whatever: What role will comets play?

 

[skynet464]

Don't get me wrong, I really like both Star Wars AND Star Trek, and enjoy the worlds of both. But what inspires and informs the developers?

A Star Wars quote would speak to me with a good versus evil trope, you're with us or against us. A Star Trek quote would have spoken to me a little better, but in both cases, the story lines are much less nuanced than I imagine for a future Paradox game, evolved from what they have done before. Neither are what we would call Byzantine, complex, or riddled with difficult choices. In both cases, it's pick a side, beat the other guy, don't really worry about what's happening inside your growing Empire.

Blade Runner is different. It is a world full of difficult choices, of wonder and of problems, both existing side by side, where a person created in a lab and bred as the ultimate android servant/soldier can dream of a different life, to try to live with all the strength they have, and die as individuals, gunned down as animals, or dying poetically. Who can beat tears in the rain?

I could be dreaming, but little things like that can get me really interested in something like a computer game.

I would have been happier if they used a quote from Foundation.

 

[TheDungen]

Don't get me wrong, I really like both Star Wars AND Star Trek, and enjoy the worlds of both. But what inspires and informs the developers?

A Star Wars quote would speak to me with a good versus evil trope, you're with us or against us. A Star Trek quote would have spoken to me a little better, but in both cases, the story lines are much less nuanced than I imagine for a future Paradox game, evolved from what they have done before. Neither are what we would call Byzantine, complex, or riddled with difficult choices. In both cases, it's pick a side, beat the other guy, don't really worry about what's happening inside your growing Empire.

Blade Runner is different. It is a world full of difficult choices, of wonder and of problems, both existing side by side, where a person created in a lab and bred as the ultimate android servant/soldier can dream of a different life, to try to live with all the strength they have, and die as individuals, gunned down as animals, or dying poetically. Who can beat tears in the rain?

I could be dreaming, but little things like that can get me really interested in something like a computer game.

Actually star trek and blade runner has a lot in common, just take how they deal with the issue of AI being people or not. Go watch the tng episode the meassures of a man. Sure the trek universe is more positive it managed to avoid ever treating sentient machines like toasters, but the question hangs in the balance there for a moment too. Trek is nuanced, it's positive and idealistic yes but it is by no means simplistic. Comparing it to star wars is like comparing... periscope down to crimson tide.

star trek is not the story of beating the bad guys, it's been shown enough time that there are really no bad guys aside from the desire to seek out conflict inherent in most species. trek and bladerunner share many views the diffrence is that trek thinks that the world of blade runner can be avoided if we're wise enough to make the right choices.

 

[Finnway]

Greeks mostly don't had elections... Only some of the city states had them.

Exactly.

The first peer-review in Europe is about middle 17th century.

This is bull****. If the Socratic dialogue isn't a peer review, than I don't know what is. Philosophy, doing peer reviews since 600b.c.e.

 

[TheDungen]

Exactly.

This is bull****. If the Socratic dialogue isn't a peer review, than I don't know what is. Philosophy, doing peer reviews since 600b.c.e.

And that's just the earliest known cases. Human civilisation had already existed for thousands of years at that point. In fact we are closer to socrates than socrates is to the first settled humans. Who can tell what our ancestors may have discovered only for it to be lost to history.

 

[Finnway]

And that's just the earliest known cases. Human civilisation had already existed for thousands of years at that point. Who can tell what our ancestors may have discovered only for it to be lost to history.

Yep, and that's one of the most mind-boggling things to think about. Forget life on other planets, what did life on Earth think before 2,000 b.c.e. ? We take for granted sometimes that as much time passed between the founding of Egypt and the Roman empire as has passed between the fall of Rome and our modern day.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

star trek is not the story of beating the bad guys, it's been shown enough time that there are really no bad guys aside from the desire to seek out conflict inherent in most species. trek and bladerunner share many views the difference is that trek thinks that the world of blade runner can be avoided if we're wise enough to make the right choices.

You make good points here. They are more alike in that there are no bad guys. From a game standpoint, all the right choices already having been made I guess Star Trek could indeed be thought of as a min-maxed blade runner universe. I guess I just like the idea that the galaxy doesn't have to end as some utopia in the end.

 

[TheDungen]

You make good points here. They are more alike in that there are no bad guys. From a game standpoint, all the right choices already having been made I guess Star Trek could indeed be thought of as a min-maxed blade runner universe. I guess I just like the idea that the galaxy doesn't have to end as some utopia in the end.

Well they said there would be victory conditions this time. One could be the federation route with an utopia of peace, another is obviously military conquest of everything. As long as there is enough politics both internally and 'internationally' that you cna go either route and still have an intresting game I'm happy.

 

[TheDungen]

Yep, and that's one of the most mind-boggling things to think about. Forget life on other planets, what did life on Earth think before 2,000 b.c.e. ? We take for granted sometimes that as much time passed between the founding of Egypt and the Roman empire as has passed between the fall of Rome and our modern day.

Actually much more, some of the tombs at saqqara are almost five thousand years old, yet even they are from the fourth dynasty. While west rome fell just over 1500 years ago.

And even then we're barely scratching the surface. the first humans began settling almost 10.000 years ago. Before that had been nomads for nearly 200.000 years.

 

[TheAtreides84]

Exactly.

This is bull****. If the Socratic dialogue isn't a peer review, than I don't know what is. Philosophy, doing peer reviews since 600b.c.e.

I don't really understand. What socratic dialogue are you referring to, that of the actual Socrates or the literary device used by Plato? In any case there wasn't any peer-review before publication, that's pretty obvious.

 

[TheDungen]

I don't really understand. What socratic dialogue are you referring to, that of the actual Socrates or the literary device used by Plato? In any case there wasn't any peer-review before publication, that's pretty obvious.

And what is publication? Artistotle wrote down his throught does that not count as a publication? Or does it have to be printed? Why does printing something make it more serious than spending hours upon hours of writing it.