Talking Turkey: Alternate History from 1936

[Wraith11B]

I have to echo the above. I hope he's doing okay, but we should probably not drag the last hurdle along if we can't get in touch to see what is going on.

Call it a change in who has Stalin's ear for the moment....

 

[roverS3]

I also think we can give TBC another week or so and hope he is all right. If he doesn't show and we press ahead, I would be willing to take on the mantle of the USSR representative.

 

[RustyHunter]

I agree with everyone that we should wait a week and see what happens. If rover moves up to the Soviets I am willing to switch to Germany.

That also frees up Poland for Filcat or a newcomer where they have a fairly OTL situation except the government in exile seems to have kept power.

 

[SSmith]

I have to echo what's been said above. Certainly let's give it a week (or two?) and hope everything is well.

 

[Bullfilter]

I think that’s definitely a quorum, so we postpone till around 7 June and reassess, hoping our esteemed TBC reappears, rather like Kelebek in the corner of a darkened room.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

At the last possible moment...

 

[Wraith11B]

At the last possible moment...

Sliding into the messages like TBC has got to be a winner of a meme.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Sliding into the messages like TBC has got to be a winner of a meme.

Given everyone is going to be spending the last part of this AAR trying to convince Russia to back their side, it's like the slasher movie monster coming back to life in the last 5 minutes.

 

[Bullfilter]

All, rumours of Comrade Stalin’s demise to some palace coup were obviously exaggerated! Though no one has seen Beria recently … I am driving home (just a short five-six hour trip) shortly, so will try to pump out all the conference material tonight if I can, tomorrow morning if not, and give about a week for the first vote and it’s negotiations, unless there’s a consensus to bring it forward if everyone is done with the jaw-jaw before then.

Any last takers for Romania or Spain?

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Alright everyone, feel free to try and convince Uncle Joe why your nation should still exist/still be an empire.

 

[Wraith11B]

... I am driving home (just a short five-six hour trip) shortly, ...

While everyone else is marveling at this being a "short" trip, me and a few of my fellow Americans are sure to be nodding along.

 

[Bullfilter]

While everyone else is marveling at this being a "short" trip, me and a few of my fellow Americans are sure to be nodding along.

Yep, it’s only about 500km. A mere doddle.

 

[nuclearslurpee]

Yep, it’s only about 500km. A mere doddle.

Around here we call that going up north for the weekend.

 

[Bullfilter]

Around here we call that going up north for the weekend.

Yeah, we were just visiting a friend for a few days, same kind of thing. A half-day trip, if that.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Australia in a few centuries is going to be a big deal. If it isn't rendered unlivable.

 

[Bullfilter]

OK, I'm about to restart the info distribution. A reminder, the current list of participants is:

Soviet Union @TheButterflyComposer
UK, Dominions and Minor Allies @SSmith
USA @Wraith11B
Japan @nuclearslurpee
Turkey @diskoerekto
Germany (DDR) @roverS3
France @Midnite Duke
Poland @RustyHunter
Romania, Spain, TBA: default voting

Remember, private negotiations by PM (with 2 or maybe more invitees) are likely to be important, so keep an eye on those conversations. That's how I'll be distributing your classified briefings and individual voting tables.

To assist me ensuring everyone is ready, perhaps you could respond to this post with a 'like' as acknowledgement. And volunteers for the last two countries will be welcomes at any time during the process.

Edit: OK, it is done, all the classified material has been distributed via private message/conversation. Let the Games begin! The voting deadline for Round One will be 1000 hr GMT on 14 June 2022. Unless an extension is sought and granted, any votes not received received by the deadline will be voted by the Secretary General as a default per the score sheet for the highest scoring option.

 

[Midnite Duke]

Are we voting a bundle or will there be a respite between votes? Remember the winners will celebrate with Champagne toasts!

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

3.2 Each time a country exercises a veto, it will lose one vote from its representation in the voting college, to apply to the next round of voting. For example, if a country with 12 votes vetoes two propositions in a round of voting (ie group of propositions presented for simultaneous votes), it would only exercise eight votes in the next tranche/round of voting.

So how much does one veto 'cost' in terms of votes?

And if you get a new puppet or annex some land, do your votes go up? And do votes get used up per vote or carry over?

 

[nuclearslurpee]

And if you get a new puppet or annex some land, do your votes go up? And do votes get used up per vote or carry over?

This one can be answered by Rule 1.4: "All countries can vote independently throughout the Conference, whose decisions will not be enforced until the last proposition has been decided. Therefore, any decisions voted along the way will not bind or split that bloc of votes (for example, the question of Germany’s future, even if puppeted and partitioned, does not affect Germany’s voting freedom for the rest of the Conference)." Since no decision is enforced until all decisions have been made and the Conference concluded, it follows that any puppets or annexations resulting from a decision will not influence the vote counts as the results of any decisions succeed the voting.

 

[Bullfilter]

Are we voting a bundle or will there be a respite between votes? Remember the winners will celebrate with Champagne toasts!

The voting is by Rounds only. So only Round One (the initial question of peace with Japan) is covered in this vote. Round Two would then be opened for negotiation if applicable, for a subsequent vote and deadline, or Round Three if the general war continues. Each round is, in effect, the ‘bundle’, so the four propositions in Round Two would be voted on simultaneously, with a new negotiation opening for the next round once any potential vetoes are resolved, and so in.

So how much does one veto 'cost' in terms of votes?

And if you get a new puppet or annex some land, do your votes go up? And do votes get used up per vote or carry over?

So, each country has x delegates (votes) at the Conference. For every veto you cast or bound pledge you break and are called out on, you lose a vote for the next round. So, votes are carried over with any adjustments to the next round. As an example, if you have 9 votes, then use two vetoes and break a bound pledge are are ‘prosecuted’ for it by the aggrieved party, you would lose a total of three delegates for the next round of voting, leaving you with 6. The aggrieved party in the broken pledge would get one vote (the Delaware is transferred), the other two lost from veto are lost ‘into the ether’ - the delegates return home.

on the second part, answered by the Professor below.

This one can be answered by Rule 1.4: "All countries can vote independently throughout the Conference, whose decisions will not be enforced until the last proposition has been decided. Therefore, any decisions voted along the way will not bind or split that bloc of votes (for example, the question of Germany’s future, even if puppeted and partitioned, does not affect Germany’s voting freedom for the rest of the Conference)." Since no decision is enforced until all decisions have been made and the Conference concluded, it follows that any puppets or annexations resulting from a decision will not influence the vote counts as the results of any decisions succeed the voting.

Spot on.