Oh yeah. If half the things I've heard about come about, the UK and US are going to be screaming at each other.
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Additional LN Secretariat Reports
From the Desk of the Secretary General
As the voting deadline draws nearer for Round One of voting at the Geneva Peace Conference, I can announce the formation of two new organisations under the auspices of the League of Nations (LN), both of which have been given access to privileged information. The LN Secretariat has also published a digest of known military power at the current moment.
I considered this and thought, given none of the negotiators will be playing any of these countries in the game from here, it really does no great harm to broadly release, for all Conference participants, some information that applies to all. We can assume that with the ceasefire and inter-allied intelligence operations and information sharing, these outline details would be general knowledge. It helps put the relative power and heft of the countries involved into a better perspective, I think.
The LN Secretariat offers the following, as provided by academic analysts (ie the Paradox VP allocations for HOI3) this subjective assessment of which countries control victory objectives directly. We hasten to add these do not relate exactly to the relative strength, power or resources contained in the provinces concerned (its just what the game ledger lists).
Next, by faction, are the relative military strengths of the powers in those factions. Note, the brigade count for the armies will inevitably include expeditionary forces loaned between one ally and another. Also, figures for non-aligned countries are not provided, as each would have to be researched individually. Conference participant nations have been highlighted within each list.
In 1948, the Organisation for European Economic Co-operation (OEEC), led by Robert Marjolin of France, was established to help administer the Marshall Plan (which was rejected by the Soviet Union and its satellite states). This would be achieved by allocating United States financial aid and implementing economic programs for the reconstruction of Europe after World War II. In 1961, the OEEC was reformed into the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development and membership was extended to non-European states.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is an international organisation, sponsored by the LN, that seeks to promote the peaceful use of nuclear energy, and to inhibit its use for any military purpose, including nuclear weapons. Using special (!) access provisions, the initial IAEA report highlights which countries have known nuclear research programs or facilities.
The table below shows only those countries that have completed any nuclear research and whether they are believed to be currently active in that area. To the best of the knowledge of the IAEA, no country has yet to complete a nuclear reactor, though the US is understood to be constructing two of them. Therefore, no country has yet progressed to the point of being able to research, let alone produce, a nuclear weapon.
Notably, the USA, UK, Germany and the USSR have all progressed to the same stage of research (level 1 civilian nuclear research), of these only the USSR is not currently researching the next level. Japan and France have researched basic atomic energy, but no further. No other country is currently known to have made any effort to research atomic energy.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is an international organisation that seeks to promote the peaceful use of nuclear energy, and to inhibit its use for any military purpose, including nuclear weapons. The IAEA was established as an autonomous organisation on 29 July 1957. Though established independently of the United Nations through its own international treaty, the IAEA Statute, the IAEA reports to both the United Nations General Assembly and Security Council.
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Great to have you ploughing back through. I really did enjoy that whole Timisoara period. The Thorn? Oh, that will be a long and twisted tale by the time it fully plays out.Understanding from Butterfly that events here draw faster and faster towards a close, I’ve been jolted into action again with the catching-up effort. Preferring pace to close analysis (perhaps unfairly) I’ve neglected to do a play-by-play of my favourite moments from the chapters I’ve covered, but I just wanted to let you know that I’m still plugging away, @Bullfilter! I’ve just read the dramatic first capture and subsequent loss of Timisoara, which was expertly crafted and incredibly tense. Now if only we can hurry up and find out the identity of this damned ‘Thorn’ I might be able to sleep soundly tonight…
History echoes itself (or the AI does, anyway)!
Oh, Germany will surely win, there are wonder weapons, etc etc.
I'll avoid spoiling in any comments I make in direct reply to yours, but you'll need to be careful around the posts that are going up at the moment If you ever want to do it by PM on occasion, happy to do that as well, but understand that too much comment can delay when trying to get through a long backlog, though it can be tempting. No pressure!
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That would be great! Glad to know there is plenty of behind the scenes action and interested to see how it pans out across a long series of voting rounds and then after it's all done, especially if negotiators are willing to share some of their perspectives afterwards. Of course, before then, all sorts of propaganda, accusations, alternative facts, loyalty and perfidy may transpire before we get to the immediate post-war (in Europe at least, anyway) world.
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Suck it nerdsThe LN Secretariat offers the following, as provided by academic analysts (ie the Paradox VP allocations for HOI3) this subjective assessment of which countries control victory objectives directly. We hasten to add these do not relate exactly to the relative strength, power or resources contained in the provinces concerned (its just what the game ledger lists).
...please. Please suck it nerds.Next is a list that combines the Conference participants only, in numerical order under each service.
Indeed.
I think some of the most interesting things will be what didn't happen, whether due to deals falling apart or running into the limits of the rules. I'm aware of some pretty crazy initial scheming that unfortunately didn't turn out to be possible...
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Anyone still at it with this AAR by this time is surely qualified to Nerd Level 12!
Remember everyone to get your votes in on time!
Just as it should be. The negotiators still have heads of government and populations to convince back home, so there must be some limitations - however flimsy - on the madness!
Remember everyone to get your votes in on time!
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In the words of the Government Chief Whip: "You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment."
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Geneva Peace Conference - 10 October 1944: Round One - Result
League of Nations
Geneva Peace Conference - 10 October 1944
Round One - Result
Geneva Peace Conference - 10 October 1944
Round One - Result
The votes have been submitted and tallied. The Secretariat can declare that the voting was as follows:
1.1 Peace on Current Lines: no votes.
1.2 Peace on old Soviet and UK/Allied/Dominion borders: Turkey, USSR, Romania (default), Spain (default), UK/Allies, Poland, France and Japan in favour for a total of 62 votes.
1.3 The War Continues: USA and Germany in favour for a total of 18 votes.
Proposition 1.2 is therefore provisionally adopted, though Japan does still technically have a veto on that outcome, despite having voted for it.
Negotiations for Round Two of voting will formally commence tomorrow (my time), pending confirmation of Japan's intent regarding the formal adoption of the voted proposition. Though of course, negotiations can continue freely as all powers wish.
regards
SecGen Lester
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Copying as this is suitable for public dissemination:
Let Round 2 begin! At the Secretary-General's pleasure, of course.nuclearslurpee said:
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Ps: Japan has confirmed it will not be exercising its veto, therefore Proposition 1.2 is adopted. A formal announcement of Round Two will be made tomorrow (my time). Happy to take any broad views re a deadline - perhaps four days this time, unless parties would like longer (a week again).
SG LN
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On one hand: I don't think we're in a huge hurry, and a week between votes ensures relative consistency - if some players are more available on weekends or during the week, their availability would be consistent week-to-week. That said, I haven't seen a lot of issues with this so far, and a quicker pace ensures we finish before people start to get busy with life transitions.
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Braving the end of the thread with eyes half closed to once again let you know of my progress, @Bullfilter. I’ve finished 1941, eagerly awaiting finding time to start of 1942. I’ve been enjoying the entrance of Don Vito an awful lot, and the capers of the many along the way ‘wetting their beaks’ in aid of the SITH. The biggest thing, however, was of course the entry of the Americans into the war. Even by HOI standards, that little episode of alternative history was astonishing! (Though easy enough to imagine in game terms, if one is willing to stretch one’s disbelief with the whole Communist-aligned thing. Why the hell would FDR want to throw his lot in with the mostly useless Allies – who weren’t even fighting Japan at that point?)
Anyway, I’ll duck out again before I inadvertently read something I don’t want to, but great stuff all round. Any luck I’ll be with you in the ‘present’ very soon…
Anyway, I’ll duck out again before I inadvertently read something I don’t want to, but great stuff all round. Any luck I’ll be with you in the ‘present’ very soon…
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This world's greatest fear for the Soviet Union should be Turkey. Turkey is far from communist. Turkey will be the leader of the Islamic world for the foreseeable future, as Turkey sits at the Big Boy Table and Turkey should be able to stop an independent Jewish stte being located in the Middle East. Turkey's closest language cousins are located in the SU central Asian republics. Turkey will plunder Germany/Italy for brain power and capitalists to modernize their country. Smaller and more compact, Turkey could surpass the SU economically within two decades.
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If we are being realistic and brutally honest, Turkey has a lot of problems coming post war, and that's in Turkey and the core UGNR balkans.
Not a great place to be considering...
That's not on the conference table, and to be honest, I'm not sure I would support such a gigantic geopolitical move just to 'get rid' of Europe's jew population. I see no need for Jews to be kicked out in such a way.
If the deal I and the Turkish have made goes through perfectly, Turkey will be in a good position post war. However, it will also be a very expensive one. They're going to have to rebuild a decent sized chunk of europe, handle puppets, and (whatever way the vote goes) put out probably hundreds of fires in the Middle East and Africa over the next few decades. It is not going to be easy even with our help, and the aid of rhe International community.
Truly, we had no idea the world, as you say, are so concerned with Turkey's growth?
Not a great place to be considering...
That's not on the conference table, and to be honest, I'm not sure I would support such a gigantic geopolitical move just to 'get rid' of Europe's jew population. I see no need for Jews to be kicked out in such a way.
If the deal I and the Turkish have made goes through perfectly, Turkey will be in a good position post war. However, it will also be a very expensive one. They're going to have to rebuild a decent sized chunk of europe, handle puppets, and (whatever way the vote goes) put out probably hundreds of fires in the Middle East and Africa over the next few decades. It is not going to be easy even with our help, and the aid of rhe International community.
Truly, we had no idea the world, as you say, are so concerned with Turkey's growth?
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The United States does not recognize the peace proposal. We continue to participate here, but view all Japanese involvement as antithetical to the purpose of these negotiations. I've been informed that Congress refuses to ratify a peace accord, and therefore a state of war will remain in effect between our two nations.
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To clarify, you are recognising everyone else has made peace and the lands Japan has already given back as no longer enemy territory, right?
And is this flavour or actual legal vetoing, in which case the US is down a vote?
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The United States recognizes that Japan has seemingly concluded an armistice with the powers which will regain territory.
The United States does not recognize that the Secretary General has authorized a veto for the US in reference to the outcome. Therefore, our position is that this is non-binding and that Congress has rejected it. Any peace between the US and Japan must be settled at another time.
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What is the difference between a creepy demonic mastermind and Stalin?
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